Ho Chi Minh

[Comrade Ceausescu]

My personal opinoin is great guy great leader.tried to make a difference.

[commieboy]

I have heard nothing but good things about Ho Chi Minh. My dad calls him Uncle Ho, Crazy huh? But still I think he made america find out the hard way not to fuck with other people's countrys'

[Urban Rubble]

Here is how I know Ho was a good guy, the Western press doesn't even really try to demonize him. Have you ever noticed that ? These days, when the press refers to Ho, they don't go out of their way to paint him as evil as they do with so many other Commies.

[Cobber]

I don't think Ho Chi Minh ever wanted much - a unified and independent Vietnam and through his persistence and inspiration as a leader achieved this. It is a pity that he did not live to see this happen.

If you want to know more you may wish to read William J Duiker's biography titled "Ho Chi Minh".

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Ho Chi Minh will go down in history as one of the greatest anti-imperialists who ever lived. Under his leadership, Vietnam freed itself from outside domination. Vietnam was a colony of the Chinese, French, Japanese, French again, and the U.S. took a shot at it after 1954. The revolutionary movement fostered by Ho has kept Vietnam free from direct imperialism for over 25 years, an exceptional achievement considering Vietnam's history and its relative lack of power compared to China, Japan, and the West.

Sadly, he never lived to see an independant and unified Vietnam.

[Spartacus2002]

ho chi mihn was one of the most un hypocritacal communists i have ever read about next to che guevara. he was brilliant, compassionate and did his best for his country if he would have lived till now i think veitnam would be an amazing country to live in

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 6 2003, 06:52 PM
Here is how I know Ho was a good guy, the Western press doesn't even really try to demonize him. Have you ever noticed that ? These days, when the press refers to Ho, they don't go out of their way to paint him as evil as they do with so many other Commies.
They don't screw with Uncle Ho, because he was very interested in American style Democracy. I read somewhere that he had a copy of the Constitution on his wall, and modeled Vietnams after it.

I think that's why the U$ press doesn't screw with him too much. It wouldn't be good "PR" for the population to hear that we invaded and killed almost 2 million people and tried to topple a government that was modeling itself after the U$.

[Urban Rubble]

"They don't screw with Uncle Ho, because he was very interested in American style Democracy. I read somewhere that he had a copy of the Constitution on his wall, and modeled Vietnams after it. "

Oh Fuck ya, Ho loved our constitution, as do I. It's a great document. Too bad we never followed what it said.

[Comrade Raz]

Ho Chi Minh is probably the communist i like the most, even more than Che, just because of what a great guerilla leader he was and because he fought and defeated american imperialism. Good for him. :D

[suffianr]

Have you ever noticed that ? These days, when the press refers to Ho, they don't go out of their way to paint him as evil as they do with so many other Commies.

Yes, let's not forget the complete bollocking he gave to the French Dien Bien Phu, no wonder the (American) press is all dewy-eyed... :lol:

[RED FIRE]

I have studied vietnam history widely and Ho chi minh,and I dont really think that he was a communist.He was more or a nationalist with socialsits views.He was a great leader for vietnamese people,a shame he was not there to see the dirty Americans and Australians leave his country,and the united vietnam.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

hmmm i disagree but thats ok.

[Jesus Christ]

in my opinion, uncle ho was the greatest socialist...... ever
he was a nationalist, but there is nothing wrong with that unless you impose it on others who do not share those views
he was one of the most informed men ever on political action and guerilla warfare was one of his specialties
and from everthing ive gathered about him, he was one of the nicest and most compassionate people ever to grace the political world
a true revolutionary

[Rastafari]

We should dredge up his poetry from the literature section...beautiful stuff

[Ian]

I like the guy, mostly because he didn't try amend marxist theory, making it easier for us all I'm sure you will agree :)

His anti-imperialism is a definate positive although I agree with what was said earlier, he seemed to be more of a socialistic patriot than a communist, but that's OK, if you manage to kick the USA out of your tiny country struggling for independence you are very skilled in my opinion.

[Xvall]

He is among my favorite revolutionary leaders. I happen to like him quite a lot.



They don't screw with Uncle Ho, because he was very interested in American style Democracy. I read somewhere that he had a copy of the Constitution on his wall, and modeled Vietnams after it.

He did model his nation have the American Constitution. In fact, the Yanks were so fond of it, they decided to offer population control services free of charge. <_<

But yes. That is true. I read a biography on him once. It was in fact very positive.

[the SovieT]

Originally posted by RED [email protected] 8 2003, 04:45 PM
I have studied vietnam history widely and Ho chi minh,and I dont really think that he was a communist.He was more or a nationalist with socialsits views.He was a great leader for vietnamese people,a shame he was not there to see the dirty Americans and Australians leave his country,and the united vietnam.
wrong...

he was in fact nationalist in a certain period of his life..

before the whole war and wile he was working in France the only thing he wanted was a free IndoCHINA.. he couldnt care less if the colonialist system was replaced by simple capitalism..

yet after that, he emigrated to Russia, where he learned the ways of Bolchevism..

he became a fierce admirer of Lenine, that because Lenin as a marxist defended the liberation of all colonies and the regulementation of national resources by the peopl itself and not by the colonizing forces and so on..

so by then he became a bolchevist (marxist-leninist, remember the word "leninism" only apeard after the death of Lenin)....

But then again his nationalism was replaced by a strong patriotism..
in fact what gave him strenght and will to continue was the love for his motherland and people...
so i wouldnt call him nationalist.. but more of a "more patriotic bolchevik"

[the SovieT]

Ho Chi Minh (1890-1969)

Left Vietnam for France in 1911, and in December 1920 voted with the majority of French Socialist Party members to affiliate to the Communist International. Visited Moscow in 1922, and accompanied first Bolshevik visitors to China. Set up a youth movement in Vietnam in 1924, which he led from Canton, China, where he worked closely with both the Chinese Communist Party and the Kuomintang, until 1927. Arrested for sedition in Hong Kong in 1931, and presumed dead by his comrades in Vietnam. In fact, Ho was &#39;recalled&#39; to Moscow, where he did routine duties. Meanwhile, he was blamed for the disastrous results of the Comintern&#39;s disastrous ultra-left policies in Vietnam. Worked with the Chinese Red Army. Following the Japanese invasion of Vietnam, Ho returned to Vietnam in 1941, where he set up a base in the hills near the Chinese border, where many workers and youth fled from Hanoi. Founded the Viet Minh to fight the Japanese, and sought assistance from the US. Truman promised independence for Vietnam in exchange for support against the Japanese. The Viet Minh assisted in suppressing the uprising of the Saigon workers in 1945. French colonialism reclaimed the country, and Ho took the leadership of the war for independence which ended in victory at Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Accepting the peace negotiated at Geneva, Ho withdrew his troops to the North, and allowed the US to occupy the South. Then began the 20 years war against the US. Ho died in 1969, not living to see the victory of the Vietnamese forces in April 1975.
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[Ian]

Originally posted by the [email protected] 10 2003, 02:35 AM
before the whole war and wile he was working in France the only thing he wanted was a free Indonesia..

Don&#39;t you mean free indochina?

[the SovieT]

Yes i was thinkng about Timor Loro Sae and the indonesian invasion of TImor when i was writing all that....

[Comrade Raz]

How and what did Ho die off?
I know he died before the americans where finally expelled from Vietnam but did he die in battle or of an illness or what?

[Jesus Christ]

he died at 79 of a heart attack in Saigon

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I made a post a while ago on this thread--
http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...t=ST&f=5&t=5467 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=5467)

I apologize for being to lazy to do anything more than copy one of my previous posts, but I gave a decent outline of Ho&#39;s life... enjoy, if you have not already read it...

Originally posted on July 15, 2003:
I did research on Ho Chi Minh for a project in high school. He became interested in removing the French rather early... if I remember correctly there was an anti-French voice in his family.

Ho left Vietnam for the first time by joining the crew of a luxury ocean liner, I believe (I remember he was a cook). There, he saw the way the rich passengers lived... what they ate... saw what shit he had to feed to the proletarian crew... related how the rich on the liner lived to the way people in Vietnam lived.

The double standard of living bothered him then and there. He had a certain romantic vision of the United States. He was inspired by the liberal Jeffersonian calls for equality in the Declaration of Independence. "All men are created equal" and all that...

He came to the US briefly as a young man... To New York, and I believe Boston, maybe a third Northeastern city... and his romanticism of the United States was badly damaged. He saw segregation firsthand... saw how America treated its African-American population...

He was not totally disillusioned with the US just yet, though. He approached President Wilson at Versailles in 1919 (when the US and Europe were drawing up the peace treaty to end World War I) and asked him to support Vietnamese independence. Actually, I think he wanted to meet Wilson, but Wilson would not. Wilson was a racist and an imperialist who would have gave less than a damn whether Vietnam ever got away from France.

Soon after, he went to the USSR. I cannot remember whether this was before or after Stalin came to power... he took his dream of Vietnamese liberation and found a receptive audience. The aid from the USSR seems to have hardened his leftist tendencies and made him an all-out communist... of course, he would also take Chinese aid after the Maoist revolution there...

I hope this is of some help...