Occupation Blues No. 16

[redstar2000]

The first loot of the war on its way to America...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/entertainment/3115803.stm

While the U.S. freezes out foreign competition for mobile phone contracts...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/business/3114591.stm

Even the local germs hate American mercenaries...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/3118537.stm

And a warm welcome for American contractors is underway...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/3126501.stm

Civilian jobs for Americans will probably pay pretty good...if you live to collect.

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[Rastafari]

Good posts

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

HA! Proof of imperialism right in front of your eyes! Whaddaya say to that, capie pigs!?

[187]

"The first loot of the war on its way to America..."

That's a pretty poor interpretation of that article.

The other articles were interesting though...

[Vinny Rafarino]

And by what other way can you describe it 187? Are you attempting to say that the US military has enough power to occupy an entire country and siphon off their life's blood yet it is incapable of protecting a couple priceless objects from fucking looters?

Good grief. What's the matter with you.

[187]

Raf, I'm really not sure how you(or RS) gathered what you did from the article, but you should consider a re-read... This article is not about some sort of 'last ditch effort' by the Iraqi's to save their treasures by 'giving' them to the US(I don't think this is what you were implying, this is a possible misinterpretation). This also isn't about the inability of the US to protect Iraqi artifacts. This article is clearly(if you read it) about the Iraqi museum touring its country's treasures, some of which are recovered looted items!

"But after recoveringp much of what was thought to have been stolen, the Iraq museum is keen to show off its items of cultural importance."

""We are working on a travelling exhibition, which will be mounted for the first time in the United States within six to eight months," said Pietro Cordone, an Italian envoy charged with overseeing Iraq's cultural activities."

This seems like a voluntary, desirable action by the Iraqi museum.

So please, explain to me how this is in anyway an attempt by the US to "haul off Iraqi loot"?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 04:47 AM
Raf, I'm really not sure how you(or RS) gathered what you did from the article, but you should consider a re-read... This article is not about some sort of 'last ditch effort' by the Iraqi's to save their treasures by 'giving' them to the US(I don't think this is what you were implying, this is a possible misinterpretation). This also isn't about the inability of the US to protect Iraqi artifacts. This article is clearly(if you read it) about the Iraqi museum touring its country's treasures, some of which are recovered looted items!

"But after recoveringp much of what was thought to have been stolen, the Iraq museum is keen to show off its items of cultural importance."

""We are working on a travelling exhibition, which will be mounted for the first time in the United States within six to eight months," said Pietro Cordone, an Italian envoy charged with overseeing Iraq's cultural activities."

This seems like a voluntary, desirable action by the Iraqi museum.

So please, explain to me how this is in anyway an attempt by the US to "haul off Iraqi loot"?
I did read the article mate, I just don't buy it. I agree it's a possibility they could be telling the truth but since the US's is notorious for bullshit I ain't gonna swallow it without smelling and tasting it first.

[187]

"I did read the article mate, I just don't buy it."

Any particular aspect that stuck out as suspicious? What makes you so weary of this tour?

"but since the US's is notorious for bullshit I ain't gonna swallow it without smelling and tasting it first."

You can't go wrong with that! :D

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 06:29 AM
"I did read the article mate, I just don't buy it."

Any particular aspect that stuck out as suspicious? What makes you so weary of this tour?

"but since the US's is notorious for bullshit I ain't gonna swallow it without smelling and tasting it first."

You can't go wrong with that! :D

Nothing besides the fact the US is constantly trying to dupe it's populace into thinking it's actions are in their best interest, our most recent being the terrorism of the people of Iraq. I also find it amusing that these "tours" will bring revenue into the yanqui governmet via outrageous ticket prices for yanqui museums. I also think perhaps this may be another way for the yanquis to dupe the populace into thinking "wow without the war in Iraq, these treasures would never had been "liberated" from the filthy Iraqi goverment."

In other words massive psychological manipulation of the populace using the old bait and switch routine. "Bait" them with the "liberation" of Iraq's national treasures and then "switch" the subject to the Iraqi people. Suddenly the idea of "Liberating " the people does not seem so bad any more...Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

I also will wager these "tours" will suddenly get "lost" around the Smithsonian and never find their way back to Iraq.

I could be wrong, we all know the US government would never dream of intentionally pillaging another country's culture or resources for profit.

[Sabocat]

LOL. I like this line...."A Sumerian Warca vase, dating from 3200 BC, will also be allowed out of the country."

Who the hell is left in Iraq with enough authority that could deny it be let out of the country?

Hmmm....let's see, the govt. is run by .....the U$, the army occupying is from....the U$, The minister of resources or whatever name they gave him is an ex-exec from an oil company...

Anyone want to bet that the individual that gave the okay to release the artifacts for tour wasn't from the U$ or closely allied?

[redstar2000]

187, European museums are crammed with loot stolen from each other as well as any defenseless country they happened to conquer elsewhere...all in the name of "art" and "science" and "culture", of course.

Why should you think the United States will not find some "pretext" for keeping the loot indefinitely? They can always say that the "security situation" makes it "inadvisable" to return the loot. They can always claim to be holding the goodies "in trust" for a future "democratic" Iraq.

This is one of the things that imperialist countries do.

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[187]

"European museums are crammed with loot stolen from each other as well as any defenseless country they happened to conquer elsewhere...all in the name of "art" and "science" and "culture", of course."

But this is the Iraq museum touring the artifacts, not a European museum with Iraqi artifacts.


"Why should you think the United States will not find some "pretext" for keeping the loot indefinitely? They can always say that the "security situation" makes it "inadvisable" to return the loot. They can always claim to be holding the goodies "in trust" for a future "democratic" Iraq.

This is one of the things that imperialist countries do."

If the US keeps the artifacts indefinitely for any reason obviously I will rethink my opinion, but as of now, the artifacts seem to be simply touring.

"I also find it amusing that these "tours" will bring revenue into the yanqui governmet via outrageous ticket prices for yanqui museums."

That goes for any tour.

"I also think perhaps this may be another way for the yanquis to dupe the populace into thinking "wow without the war in Iraq, these treasures would never had been "liberated" from the filthy Iraqi goverment." "

Maybe..I wouldn't be surprised if this was on their mind.

"I also will wager these "tours" will suddenly get "lost" around the Smithsonian and never find their way back to Iraq."

That would be really sickening if they got away with something like that.

[Saint-Just]

I think it is certainly propaganda. As has been said U.S. relations with Iraq are more than strong since they are occupying the country. The U.S. has been practicing this psychological warfare for decades. Obviously some U.S. officials have decided that touring these artifacts would be a good way to demonstrate emancipation, unfortunately although the artifacts may have been 'liberated' from Iraq, the Iraqis have not been 'liberated' from oppression.