Restaurant owner beats homeless man. Police arrest homeless man.

[Red Commissar]

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Homeless.Man.Beaten.2.1963365.html



Witnesses Say Dallas Restaurant Manager Beat Man

Those who witnessed a disturbing scene on Wednesday night have now come forward to accuse a Dallas pizza restaurant manager of torturing a homeless customer. According to those witnesses, a 61-year-old man was beaten before their eyes for allegedly not paying a bill. And when the police arrived, they arrested the wrong man.

The incident happened outside the back door of the Pizza Lounge, located across from Fair Park.

"We heard someone screaming out back," said witness Chris Hall. "We weren't sure what was going on."

Hall and fellow witness John Beach were at a nearby bar when they decided to see who was doing all the screaming. "The moaning was getting louder and louder," Beach said.

Hall, Beach, and other witnesses saw a man who police have identified as 61-year-old Hermilo Aguilar. He was naked and being hit repeatedly by a man with a pipe. "He was hitting pretty hard. It was surreal," said Donna Ausmus-Laursen, another witness. "We had a fence between us. We were yelling vocally over the fence, 'What the hell are you doing?'"

According to police, Aguilar is homeless and had ordered around $17 worth of food using someone else's credit card. A police report says that Aguilar attempted to leave, but was instead taken by the restaurant's owner or manager to the back of the location, where Aguilar was then "struck with a light weight pipe" and ordered to "completely disrobe."

"It's like vigilante justice," said Hall. "It looked like torture to me."

"The guy hit him again and made him take his pants off, and he was completely naked and in a ball," Beach added. "It was like something out of a Turkish prison."

While the witnesses could not believe what they were seeing inside the small fenced area, they were even more shocked when the police arrested the homeless man who was receiving the beating. "I think that guy that did the beating should be in the back of the cop car, not the homeless guy," said Beach.

The police report even says that the man with the pipe admitted to assault because he "was sick and tired of this type of thing happening at his business." CBS 11 News approached the restaurant for a comment, but received clear instructions to leave.

Meanwhile, the Dallas Police Department said that the restaurant manager could still face charges. "After the witness statements are taken and the investigation concludes, the owner may very well be arrested for aggravated assault," said Sr. Cpl. Janice Crowther with the Dallas Police Department. At least three other witnesses are being interviewed by the police.

Aguilar remains in the Dallas County Jail with severe bruises and abrasions on his entire body.
Yeah, basically the guy ordered some food on a card that wasn't his, restaurant owner calls the cops. Then for what ever reason he decides to go and beat the guy, and when the cops come, they go and arrest the homeless guy and are on their way. Restaurant owner doesn't get anything apparently. Another news station I read had the restaurant owner trying to rationalise his action by trying to paint his actions as a backlash against identity theft or some bullshit like that.

It's moronic stuff like this that makes me facepalm at the way things are.

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

This is sickening.

[Fulanito de Tal]

OMG. Everyone, this is what the human animal is capable of.

It's so sad :(

[Revy]

Disgusting.

The need for food and water is so basic. But capitalism is not an environment that provides it only takes away. Homeless people need food just like anyone else.

Capitalism is the real crime and homeless people are the victims. $17 pizza is nothing compared to what has been taken from the homeless.

The homeless man should be paid huge amounts of cash from the scumbag's bank account, after the attacker is put in jail.

[Red Commissar]

Disgusting.

The need for food and water is so basic. But capitalism is not an environment that provides it only takes away. Homeless people need food just like anyone else.

Capitalism is the real crime and homeless people are the victims. $17 pizza is nothing compared to what has been taken from the homeless.

The homeless man should be paid huge amounts of cash from the scumbag's bank account, after the attacker is put in jail.

I find it sad that people would be willing to take the side of the restaurant owner as well. Having been around Texas people have an awfully warped sense of "work" and treat the homeless like shit, more so than the norm in the rest of this capitalist wilderness.

[el_chavista]

In Venezuela, if you are aged 60 or more you eat for free at the Instituto Nacional de Nutrición or at the Casas de alimentación de los barrios (neighborhoods houses for nutrition).

[Red Commissar]

In Venezuela, if you are aged 60 or more you eat for free at the Instituto Nacional de Nutrición or at the Casas de alimentación de los barrios (neighborhoods houses for nutrition).

I never knew that.

The United States gives social security checks and medicare, but both have been falling apart for a long time. Most old people have to supplement that with their own retirement savings or insurance, etc. Being homeless for an old person means they have neither of this, and even if they were able to it would be difficult to get the essentials.

I haven't taken a good look at Dallas (though I live near it), but they don't seem to be a paragon of how homeless people are treated. Shelters and soup kitchens are limited- be it private, religious, or some how connected to the city. Dallas is also a city that prides itself on keeping the streets 'clean' of the homeless, acting like it gives opportunities but we can see obviously what they do to homeless.

[AnarchoMassLineDemarchist]

i would have hit him with a bat, leaves crisper bruising

[Obs]

i would have hit him with a bat, leaves crisper bruising
That is totally inappropriate and not funny.

[RedLeft]

That is so fucked up. 3 cheers for fucking capitalism.

[Barry Lyndon]

In Venezuela, if you are aged 60 or more you eat for free at the Instituto Nacional de Nutrición or at the Casas de alimentación de los barrios (neighborhoods houses for nutrition).

Reason that socialism is superior to capitalism #126.......

[black magick hustla]

Reason that socialism is superior to capitalism #126.......


a lot of my friends eat for free too and in the US. its called a bridgecard you know :rolleyes:

[Barry Lyndon]

a lot of my friends eat for free too and in the US. its called a bridgecard you know :rolleyes:

I doubt any of your friends are over 60 and are too old to support themselves in any way.
Keep contributing nothing to this forum besides snarky anti-communist comments you silly child.

[black magick hustla]

and you dont have to be over 60 btw. this is my last post and if someone replies i will split it into a new thread but a lot of the shit venezuela does is not really that incredible and it has been done by other states for a long time, except that their leaders did not use crazy rhetoric

[Barry Lyndon]

and you dont have to be over 60 btw. this is my last post and if someone replies i will split it into a new thread but a lot of the shit venezuela does is not really that incredible and it has been done by other states for a long time, except that their leaders did not use crazy rhetoric

'Crazy rhetoric'
I suggest that you lay off the Fox News, you so-called 'communist'.
I hate how ultra-lefts like you will isolate one aspect of a socialist society, show that the same thing exists in a capitalist society and therefore say there's no difference. You don't look at how the components are, together, constituting a different system.
I mean, people breathe air in Cuba, and they also breath air in the United States. The United States must be Communist!!

[Lyev]

'Crazy rhetoric'
I suggest that you lay off the Fox News, you so-called 'communist'.
I hate how ultra-lefts like you will isolate one aspect of a socialist society, show that the same thing exists in a capitalist society and therefore say there's no difference. You don't look at how the components are, together, constituting a different system.
I mean, people breathe air in Cuba, and they also breath air in the United States. The United States must be Communist!!Oh just go away, you're grumpy and impossible to debate with sensibly. Venezuela is by no means a "socialist society" yet either. I hate it when so-called "communists" fetishize movements abroad.

[Barry Lyndon]

Oh just go away, you're grumpy and impossible to debate with sensibly. Venezuela is by no means a "socialist society" yet either. I hate it when so-called "communists" fetishize movements abroad.

I hate it when so called communists wank endlessly over the corpses of dead white European dudes and look down on the ignorant brown people trying to make revolution in the here and now.

[gorillafuck]

I hate it when so called communists wank endlessly over the corpses of dead white European dudes and look down on the ignorant brown people trying to make revolution in the here and now.
Thinking reformism is a dead-end tactic (Venezuela is obviously using reformism as a tactic) is racism to you?

Either you have a really, really stupid opinion or you're being dishonest.

[Barry Lyndon]

Thinking reformism is a dead-end tactic (Venezuela is obviously using reformism as a tactic) is racism to you?

Either you have a really, really stupid opinion or you're being dishonest.

Except its not 'obviously' reformism, it's gradualism. You can't make an honest argument when you start with a false, unsupported premise.

Ultra-lefts of that ilk don't support Chavez, they don't support Morales, they don't support Cuba, they don't support the FARC, they don't support the Nepalese Maoists, they don't support the Naxalites........and on and on and on and on. How many non-white revolutionaries do they have to disparage and belittle before the perfectly reasonable suspicion of racism and Eurocentrism comes up.

[Q]

Except its not 'obviously' reformism, it's gradualism.

Could you explain the difference for me between the two?

[Quail]

This is fucking mental. How can it be okay not to let these people have food??

[Obs]

Could you explain the difference for me between the two?
Yeah, I'm usually fairly quick to defend the PSUV, but this struck me as a poor argument as well. Then again, this thread isn't supposed to be about Venezuela.

[black magick hustla]

'Crazy rhetoric'
I suggest that you lay off the Fox News, you so-called 'communist'.
I hate how ultra-lefts like you will isolate one aspect of a socialist society, show that the same thing exists in a capitalist society and therefore say there's no difference. You don't look at how the components are, together, constituting a different system.
I mean, people breathe air in Cuba, and they also breath air in the United States. The United States must be Communist!!

not really. you made the remark that the venezuelan state engages in the type of welfare every other state does and i pointed that out.


I hate it when so called communists wank endlessly over the corpses of dead white European dudes and look down on the ignorant brown people trying to make revolution in the here and now.

arent you white? im not white btw

[bloodbeard]

Really horrifying that an elderly man gets beaten up and stripped of clothing over $17 worth of food. :( The restaurant owner and his ilk are the ones who need to be taught a lesson, not the starving homeless guy. If anyone knows a good lawyer in Texas, hook this guy up so he can sue that bastard for all he's got and drive his restaurant out of business.

[gorillafuck]

Except its not 'obviously' reformism, it's gradualism. You can't make an honest argument when you start with a false, unsupported premise.

Ultra-lefts of that ilk don't support Chavez, they don't support Morales, they don't support Cuba, they don't support the FARC, they don't support the Nepalese Maoists, they don't support the Naxalites........and on and on and on and on. How many non-white revolutionaries do they have to disparage and belittle before the perfectly reasonable suspicion of racism and Eurocentrism comes up.
The Naxalites and Nepalese Maoists are using different tactics than Chavez. They're waging wars to overthrow their states. Chavez is gradually nationalizing industry in the current Venezuelan government. Chavez and Morales "gradualism" as you call it is reformism, similar to that of Salvador Allende.

[Barry Lyndon]

The Naxalites and Nepalese Maoists are using different tactics than Chavez. They're waging wars to overthrow their states. Chavez is gradually nationalizing industry in the current Venezuelan government. Chavez and Morales "gradualism" as you call it is reformism, similar to that of Salvador Allende.

Reformism is making changes within the framework of capitalism, with no goal of socialism. Gradualism is the process of gradually eroding the power of the capitalist class, with the ultimate goal of socialism. There is a difference.

The fact that workers and peasants militias are being created in Venezuela to defend the nationalizations is making clear that an autonomous workers power is being created, and that it is not 'reformism'(Allende's big mistake is that he did not do this). Factories being set up under workers management is going beyond a mere welfare state, because it is giving workers control over the means of production(isn't that what Marx had in mind?).

I don't accept that there is one correct path to socialism. Depending on the time and place, there are different ways one can reach socialism. In Latin America it is one way, South Asia it is another.

[Queercommie Girl]

Reformism is making changes within the framework of capitalism, with no goal of socialism. Gradualism is the process of gradually eroding the power of the capitalist class, with the ultimate goal of socialism. There is a difference.


Not necessarily. The original left reformism of the Second International (e.g. the German Social Democrats) was indeed the plan of gradually building socialism in a capitalist society, with the ultimate goal being socialism, similar to what is going on in Venezuela and Bolivia now.

[gorillafuck]

Reformism is making changes within the framework of capitalism, with no goal of socialism. Gradualism is the process of gradually eroding the power of the capitalist class, with the ultimate goal of socialism. There is a difference.
That's not true. Those are different types of reformism (one being capitalist reformism and one being socialist reformism), but they are still both reformism and both dead-end.


I don't accept that there is one correct path to socialism. Depending on the time and place, there are different ways one can reach socialism. In Latin America it is one way, South Asia it is another.Neither do I, but I don't think reforming and altering the capitalist state into a socialist state could be a successful way in any place.

Just out of curiousity, so you think that "gradualism" is a good tactic in South America, but it wouldn't be a good tactic in South Asia? So would being non-supportive of "gradualism" in South Asia be racist?

[Reznov]

I hate it when so called communists wank endlessly over the corpses of dead white European dudes and look down on the ignorant brown people trying to make revolution in the here and now.

Jesus christ, come on, if you are going to try to make the other guy seem racist to try to dis-credit his argument, you at least have to use proper terminology and cannot broadly make a statement that all Venezuelans are "brown" because that just makes you look like an asshole who thinks everybody in the Latin and South America is "brown".

[Queercommie Girl]

Jesus christ, come on, if you are going to try to make the other guy seem racist to try to dis-credit his argument, you at least have to use proper terminology and cannot broadly make a statement that all Venezuelans are "brown" because that just makes you look like an asshole who thinks everybody in the Latin and South America is "brown".

He might not be right to say what he did, but there is nothing wrong with simply pointing out the possibility that racism may be involved. I do not for one second believe that racism does not exist within the working class or the socialist camp, nor do I hold the utopian idea that the working class would "automatically" always be in unity simply because they are all workers. And racism will never go away if people can't even mention it.

[Red Commissar]

News sources are going between whether or not the restaurant person was the owner/manager or an employee. Also I've noticed that some media sources are now trying to point out the victim had a felony for drunken driving in order to make him seem more "bad".

He is being held on $3500 bail. Not sure if any action has been taken against the guy who beat him.

[WeAreReborn]

Except its not 'obviously' reformism, it's gradualism. You can't make an honest argument when you start with a false, unsupported premise.

Ultra-lefts of that ilk don't support Chavez, they don't support Morales, they don't support Cuba, they don't support the FARC, they don't support the Nepalese Maoists, they don't support the Naxalites........and on and on and on and on. How many non-white revolutionaries do they have to disparage and belittle before the perfectly reasonable suspicion of racism and Eurocentrism comes up.
I don't support gradualism because it will never head towards Anarchism without Capitalism, sure it is great for Centralized Socialism but I don't want that personally. Sure what Chavez did was great but all it ended up doing was to make America exploit people over the seas instead, his intentions were great and I applaud him but you need to be more revolutionary to make real lasting change. I don't support Morales because he is a president, and I don't support his overall politics. I don't support any Maoists regardless of their background. So it isn't because of race, I don't give a fuck about that. It is because I am an individual and I reject all of the groups and tactics you listed, I know you were talking to someone else but I am just showing you that you shouldn't be ignorant and result to racism. Sure it is present and it is a problem but don't use it as an argument tactic.

[Red Bayonet]

Our day will come.

[Political_Chucky]

Who was Barry Lyndon?

[Salyut]

I like how this went from discussing something totally fucked up to HERP DERP CHAVEZ

[Red Bayonet]

Firepower to the Homeless!(With more firepower, they wouldn't be homeless!)

[PhoenixAsh]

Who was Barry Lyndon?

A character out of a book and a film...


Not a pretty story though.


a rougue, mysogenist and seducer. He seduces an older wealthy woman for her money and when she becomes a widow he marries her...cheats on her, abuses the child from her first marriage, spends her money, secludes her and fathers a child with her. He later leaves her after making a deal with her first son who nearly killed him in a duel. He is payed money for the leaving part and spends the rest of his live gambling.

[PhoenixAsh]

Ultra-lefts of that ilk don't support Chavez, they don't support Morales, they don't support Cuba, they don't support the FARC, they don't support the Nepalese Maoists, they don't support the Naxalites........and on and on and on and on.

Why exactly should we support him? Because he is somewhat better than a capitalist imperialist? Because you can spin and twist it all you like...gradualism means its still capitalist and NOT socialist.

And promisses, promisses....we have heard politicians promis us a thousand times that things will get better...and yet...nothing really, really changes. Just the brand of 'make-up'....so he better first deliver before I believe anything a politician utters.





How many non-white revolutionaries do they have to disparage and belittle before the perfectly reasonable suspicion of racism and Eurocentrism comes up.

Well...the only racism I see here in this thread is the one right there...in your post. :mad:

[Red Commissar]

Our day will come.

Why the hell did you bump this thread? This is from last October. Ich.

I can't say much more about this case. Unsurprisingly the police never decided to press anything against the guy who beat up this homeless man. Only story that arose was roughly a week later:

http://www.kten.com/global/story.asp?s=13385445

After hearing about the story a couple bailed out the man and they found out he had two sons living in Texoma, which he had somehow gotten lost from eight years ago. So now he's reunited with them.

[the last donut of the night]

it really bothers me when white leftists dismiss any critique of reformism as racist when they hardly know any brown people

[Chambered Word]

Firepower to the Homeless!(With more firepower, they wouldn't be homeless!)

Does anyone still remember that thread we had some time ago about arming the homeless? :bored:

[theblackmask]

This reminds me of an instance in Chicago involving my employer. A guy ended up choking a dude out and killing him for stealing a tube of toothpaste from a store. The guy got fired and sued the company for wrongful termination...I heard he got a few mil.