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The Vegan Marxist
13th October 2010, 04:52
Liu’s Nobel Prize for Capitalism
By Stephen Gowans

Liu Xiaobo, the Chinese dissident who was recently awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, has been hailed as a champion of human rights and democracy. His jailing by Chinese authorities for inciting subversion of the state is widely regarded as an unjust stifling of advocacy rights by a Chinese state intolerant of dissent and hostile to ”universal values”. But what Western accounts have failed to mention is that Charter 08, the manifesto Liu had a hand in writing and whose signing led to his arrest, is more than a demand for political and civil liberties. It is a blueprint for making over China into a replica of US society and eliminating the last vestiges of the country’s socialism. If Liu had his druthers, China would: become a free market, free enterprise paradise; welcome domination by foreign banks; hold taxes to a minimum; and allow the Chinese version of the Democrats and Republicans to keep the country safe for corporations, bankers and wealthy investors. Liu’s problem with the Communist Party isn’t that it has travelled the capitalist road, but that it hasn’t traveled it far enough, and has failed to put in place a politically pluralist republican system to facilitate the smooth and efficient operation of an unrestrained capitalist economy.

Liu taught literature at Columbia University as a visiting scholar, but decamped for his homeland in 1989 to participate in the Tiananmen Square protests, bringing with him the pro-imperialist values he imbibed in the United States. For his role in the protests—which ultimately aimed at toppling Communist Party-rule and promoting a US-style economic and political system–he served two years in prison.

Liu is committed to a pluralist political model and untrammelled capitalist system of the kind he witnessed firsthand in the United States. Charter 08, the Nobel committee, the US government, and the Western media have all anointed free markets, free enterprise, and multi-party representative democracy as “universal values”. The aim is to discredit any system that is at variance with capitalist democracy as being against universal values and therefore doomed to failure.

Liu served more jail time in the 1990s for advocating an end to Communist Party-rule and conciliation of the CIA-backed Dalai Lama, the once head of a feudal aristocracy who owned slaves and lived a sumptuous life on the backs of Tibetan serfs, before the People’s Army put an end to his oppressive rule.

Liu’s latest run-in with Chinese authorities happened in December, 2008 after he signed Charter 08, a manifesto he helped draft. The charter was published on the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Freedoms (UDHRF) and is a reference to Charter 77, an anti-communist manifesto issued by dissidents in Czechoslovakia. While the UDHRF endorses economic rights (the right to work and to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control), the only economic rights Charter 08 endorses are bourgeois privileges. In that respect, it is hardly in the same class as the UDHRF and, significantly, is emblematic of the kind of truncated human rights protocol favored in the United States.

On June 24 of last year Liu was charged with agitation aimed at subversion of the Chinese government and overthrowing the socialist system. He was convicted and is now serving an 11-year sentence.

The Western press describes Charter 08 as a “manifesto calling for political reform, human rights and an end to one-party rule”, but it is more than that. It is a manifesto for the untrammelled operation of capitalism in China.

The charter calls for a free and open market economy, protection of the freedom of entrepreneurship, land privatization, and the protection of property rights. Property rights, under the charter’s terms, refer not to the right to own a house or a car of a toothbrush for personal use but to the freedom of individuals to legally claim the economic surplus produced by farmers and wage laborers—that is, the right, through the private ownership of capital, to exploit the labor of others through profits, interest and rents.

While capitalism thrives in China, it does not thrive unchecked and without some oversight and direction by the Communist Party. Nor is China’s economy entirely privately owned. Many enterprises remain in state hands. The drafters of Charter 08 have in mind the elimination of all state ownership and industrial planning–in other words, the purging of the remaining socialist elements of the Chinese economy. At the same time, the Communist Party as the one mass organization with a programmatic commitment to socialism (if only to be realized in full in a distant future) and which zealously preserves China’s freedom to operate outside the US imperialist orbit, would be required to surrender its lead role in Chinese society. Political power would pass to parties that would inevitably come to be dominated by the Chinese bourgeoisie through its money power. (1) Rather than being a country with a mix of socialist and capitalist characteristics presided over by the Communist Party, it would become a thoroughly capitalist society with bankers and captains of industry firmly in control, their rule governed by the need to enrich their class, not make progress toward a distant socialism by raising standards of living and expanding the country’s productive base.

The charter also calls for the implementation of “major reforms in the tax system to reduce the tax rate”, and to “create conditions for the development of privately-owned banking.”

The US State Department itself could have written a manifesto no more congenial to corporate and financial interests.

Charter 08’s champions gathered 10,000 signatures before Beijing blocked its circulation on the Internet. While the Western media cite this as evidence of a groundswell of support for the charter’s demands (though 10,000 represents an infinitesimally small fraction of a population of one billion), the ANSWER Coalition in the United States has collected hundreds of thousands of signatures to letters calling for the lifting of the US blockade on Cuba, a level of opposition to US policy that dwarfs Charter 08’s support. Yet ANSWER’s collection of signatures in opposition to a policy aimed at promoting the interests of US capital is virtually ignored in the Western media, while a smaller movement that would benefit US capital is presented as having widespread backing. This, of course, is not unexpected. The Western media quite naturally represent the interests of the class of hereditary capitalist families and financiers from whose ranks its owners come. The class nature of capitalist society and patterns of ownership within it mean that the mass media construct a reality congruent with their owners’ interests.

Likewise, the Nobel Prize, founded by a Swedish chemist and engineer who amassed a fortune as an armaments manufacturer, is not free from politics. The Nobel committee, a five-person committee selected by the Norwegian parliament, has strayed quite a distance from Alfred Nobel’s original intentions. In his will, Nobel set out conditions for establishing and awarding the prize. “The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: /- – -/ one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.” While arguments may be made on either side of the question of whether Liu’s actions are praiseworthy, there is no question that trying to organize the transformation of People’s China into a replica of the United States of America, and getting arrested for it, amounts in no way to working for fraternity between nations, abolishing standing armies, or the holding of peace congresses.

A further double standard is evident in the condemnation of China’s crackdown on anti-communist dissent—one of the goals of awarding Liu the Nobel Prize (the others: to legitimize Charter 08 and demonize Communist Party-rule in China.) The reality is that any revolutionary society, if it is to successfully defend itself against counter-revolution, must limit the rights that would be used to organize the revolution’s reversal. To place political and civil liberties ahead of the preservation of the revolution, where the revolution is aimed at improving the economic condition of Chinese peasants and workers, would be to declare political rights to be senior to economic rights. Liu has clearly worked toward a counter-revolution that would push economic rights to the margins and bring the rights of the owners of capital to organize society exclusively in their interests to the fore. Allowing Liu to freely organize the overthrow of the current system and to replace it with one modelled on the US political and economic system would be to set political liberties above goals of achieving independence from imperialist domination and building the material basis of a communist society.

Other societies—including those which trumpet their credentials as liberal democracy’s champions—have freely violated their own pluralist and liberal principles to counter individuals, movements and parties which have threatened the capitalist mode of property ownership. The history of Western capitalist democracy is replete with instances of states running roughshod over their own supposedly cherished liberal democratic values, from the persecution, harassment and jailing of labor, socialist and communist militants to the banning of strikes and left political parties to open fascist dictatorship. Whenever militant leftists have seriously threatened to disrupt the tranquil digestion of big business profits, their freedom to openly advocate, organize and act has been abridged. Think of the Palmer raids in the United States, jailing of anti-WWI activists, the purge of communists from the civil service and Hollywood, the banning of the Socialist Workers Party, and the suppression of the Black Panthers. Similar practices were replicated in many other capitalist countries. In Italy and Germany, strong workers’ movements were suppressed by fascist dictatorship.

This is a pattern of behaviour so recurrent as to have the status of a social scientific law. The state, whether in capitalist or revolutionary societies, almost invariably violates rights of advocacy, free association, and the press, in order to preserve the dominant mode of property ownership wherever it is seriously under threat.

As a matter of politics, restrictions on the rights of individuals, movements and parties to openly advocate and organize the overthrow of the current economic system are good or bad depending on what one’s politics are. Nationalists in liberated countries will approve restrictions on the rights of foreigners and colonial settlers to own productive property unchecked; measures to prevent movements from encroaching on capitalist interests will be deemed warranted restrictions by capitalists; and communists will oppose the right of individuals and groups to openly organize a capitalist restoration within socialist societies, just as republicans opposed the right of individuals and groups to openly organize the restoration of monarchies within republican societies.

While Liu is cleverly portrayed by the Western media as a fighter for human rights and democracy, his organizing for low taxes, call for the jettisoning of the remaining elements of China’s socialism, and promotion of a robust capitalism, have received virtually no Western media attention. It is difficult to persuade people that capitalism is “a universal value”, and Liu’s commitment to making over China into a replica of the United States—with its economic crises, bail-outs for wealthy financiers and mass unemployment for the rest—is hardly the kind of thing that is going to marshal much popular support. Hence, the Western media have wisely (from their point of view) dwelled on Beijing’s seemingly unjustified crackdown on dissent and failed to elaborate on Charter 08’s implications for China, while playing up Liu’s advocacy of the pleasant sounding terms, democracy and human rights, pushing his commitment to free markets, free enterprise and low taxes into the shadows. Carrying out all the charter demands would almost certainly result in China being sucked into the US imperialist orbit, and whatever chances the country has of achieving socialism, would be forever dashed.

For anyone concerned with the promotion of economic rights, or the weakening of US imperialism, or with the chances that socialism might one day flourish in the world’s most populous country, the Nobel committee’s attempt to lend credibility to Charter 08 by conferring its peace prize on Liu Xiaobo is hardly to be welcome. It is as inimical to the interests of peace and the welfare of humanity as was last year’s awarding of the prize to US President Barack Obama, who has expanded the number of countries in which the US is waging war, and has tried to create the illusion that the continuing US combat mission in Iraq has ended by renaming it. Likewise, Liu has done nothing to advance the welfare of humanity. His remit, as that of last year’s peace prize winner, is to expand the interests of the owners of capital, particularly those based in the United States. He deserves no support, except from the tiny fraction of the world’s population that would reap the benefits of Charter 08’s demands. Instead, it is Beijing’s action to preserve its freedom and independence from outside domination, and to maintain elements of a socialist economy, that deserve our support.

1. The Chinese Communist Party has, with justification, rejected “Western-style elections …(as)a game for the rich.” As a party representative explained: “They are affected by the resources and funding that a candidate can utilize. Those who manage to win elections are easily in the shoes of their parties or sponsors and become spokespeople for the minority.”

Edward Wong, “Official in China says Western-style democracy won’t take root there,” The New York Times, March 20, 2010

http://gowans.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/liu%E2%80%99s-nobel-prize-for-capitalism/

Queercommie Girl
13th October 2010, 15:05
I think no genuine socialist can ever support a right-wing liberal like Liu Xiaobo, obviously. The issue here is does the clear and explicit opposition to people like Liu imply supporting his imprisonment by a state that is at best a highly deformed worker's state? The issue is also linked, on a more abstract level, to what socialists should do to reactionary people in a socialist society? How much criticism of socialism is to be allowed? Quite a lot or none at all?

I know China today is very far away from a socialist society, but for the CWI people who believe that Liu should not be imprisoned for his political views, despite them being wrong in a very explicitly sense, here is a question for you: Suppose we live in a socialist world in which the CWI (or a future version of it) is the effective ruling communist party, would you allow someone similar to Liu Xiaobo advocating pro-market and pro-imperialist views etc without locking him up as being a threat to the socialist state?

Western capitalist elections are indeed a rich men's game, but increasingly the politics in China is becoming a rich men's game too, even without explicit elections and voting rights. Today's bureaucratic capitalists in China live with a level of luxury that would be unheard of even in the days of corrupt Soviet revisionist bureaucrats.

Lenina Rosenweg
13th October 2010, 15:43
The CWI doesn't support Liu. He is a right winger. We do support his right to criticize the PRC government. I don't see the CWI as any sort of future ruling communist party, that's not it's purpose. Its purpose is to attempt to educate , guide, and coordinate the struggle internationally and hopefully set the stage for a future worker's democracy which may or may not have political parties but will above all be democratically run by the working class.

I mean, could you imagine Peter Taafe making 4 hour long speeches like Brezhnev or Fidel?:) I'm only good for a half hour at the most, meself.

Of course in a socialist society people should be allowed to criticize socialism. I don't think a future socialist society would be that brittle. Power would not come from above but arise organically from the working class.

As for Liu obviously the Nobel is used as a tool for the bourgois. A mass muderer like Kissinger and a fascist like Mother Theresa got the Peace Prize.

There was an article in yesterday's SCMP describing hpw Liu's Nobel is seriously shaking the PRC regime, which can only be a good thing. Our "support" for Liu is tactical.

Broletariat
13th October 2010, 15:53
The CWI doesn't support Liu. He is a right winger. We do support his right to criticize the PRC government. I don't see the CWI as any sort of future ruling communist party, that's not it's purpose. Its purpose is to attempt to educate , guide, and coordinate the struggle internationally and hopefully set the stage for a future worker's democracy which may or may not have political parties but will above all be democratically run by the working class.

I mean, could you imagine Peter Taafe making 4 hour long speeches like Brezhnev or Fidel?:) I'm only good for a half hour at the most, meself.

Of course in a socialist society people should be allowed to criticize socialism. I don't think a future socialist would be that brittle. Power would not come from above but arise organically from the working class.

As for Liu obviously the Nobel is used as a tool for the bourgois. A mass muderer like Kissinger and a fascist like Mother Theresa got the Peace Prize.

There was an article in yesterday's SCMP describing hpw Liu's Nobel is seriously shaking the PRC regime, which can only be a good thing. Our "support" for Liu is tactical.
I don't intend to derail the thread so maybe it would be best to PM me the relevant information. But mother theresea a fascist? I've never really looked into her at all and would be curious to see just how the capitalists spun her story into the caring figure she appears to most otherwise uninformed people.

Queercommie Girl
13th October 2010, 15:54
There was an article in yesterday's SCMP describing hpw Liu's Nobel is seriously shaking the PRC regime, which can only be a good thing. Our "support" for Liu is tactical.

I suppose the main difference between us is that I still think China today is partly a deformed worker's state, rather than a completely bureaucratic capitalist one. However, many people in the CWI also have a similar view.

For instance the author of this analysis on China:

China – capitalist or not?

In a further contribution to our debate on China, Andy Ford poses the question ‘capitalist or not?’, examining the class character of the Chinese state. Recognising the enormous importance of developments in China, the debate was initiated in Socialism Today No.108, April 2007, "on the nature of the Chinese state and economy; on how long [China] can continue down this road; and to what final destination". So far, this exchange has included the following contributions: China’s future, by Peter Taaffe (No.108, April 2007); Can China be a new tiger? by Ron Groves (No.109, May 2007); China’s capitalist counter-revolution, by Vincent Kolo (No.114, December-January 2007-08); and The character of the Chinese state and China’s hybrid economy, by Lynn Walsh (No.122, October 2008). All are available on our website at www.socialismtoday.org (http://www.socialismtoday.org/)

THERE IS A widespread discussion amongst socialists as to whether China is now capitalist or is still a deformed workers’ state. This is an important discussion with different views. The debate is not sterile or arcane as it has implications for socialists’ approach to work in China.

The debate also has implications for the theory of ‘proletarian bonapartism’, advanced by the Committee for a Workers’ International (CWI) in the post-war period. This theory was a great achievement that allowed an understanding of developments in the neo-colonial countries such as Cuba and Vietnam. Marxism is a science and its theories should be kept logically consistent and capable of dealing with new developments. The recent changes in China are a new development requiring a Marxist explanation.

Trotsky’s theory of the state

THERE ARE MANY good reasons to still understand China as a deformed workers state, albeit one that is uniquely and extensively deformed. China has not yet gone through the transition to capitalism. We have to remember and build on Trotsky’s points in his article, The Class Nature of the Soviet State (1933): "Against the assertion that the workers’ state is apparently already liquidated there arises, first and foremost, the important methodological position of Marxism. The dictatorship of the proletariat was established by means of a political overturn and a civil war of three years. The class theory of society and historical experience equally testify to the impossibility of the victory of the proletariat through peaceful methods, that is without grandiose class battles, weapons in hand. How, in that case, is the imperceptible, ‘gradual’, bourgeois counter-revolution conceivable? Until now, in any case, feudal as well as bourgeois counter-revolutions have never taken place ‘organically’, but they have inevitably required the intervention of military surgery.

"In the last analysis, the theories of reformism, insofar as reformism has attained to theory, are always based on an inability to understand that class antagonisms are profound and irreconcilable; hence, the perspective of peaceful transformation of capitalism into socialism. The Marxist thesis relating to the catastrophic transfer of power from the hands of one class into the hands of another applies not only to revolutionary periods, when history sweeps madly ahead, but also to periods of counter-revolution, when society rolls backwards. He who asserts that the soviet government has been gradually changed from proletarian to bourgeois is only, so to speak, running backwards the film of reformism".

This is not to rely on dusty quotes from the archives against the reality facing us; it is to seek to understand reality using Marxist theory consistent with its history and development. Our analysis of China has to base itself on our previous descriptions.

To suddenly perceive a gradual transition from one form of society to another in China would be to throw out previous positions without acknowledging or analysing where or why these theories were in error. It is not really a serious way to proceed in any science.

Those who wish to describe China as capitalist today all use the same method. They start from the current picture, using numerous figures and estimates from bourgeois academic sources to show that China, now, this year, is capitalist. They then work backwards to try and identify a point of transition. Was it Tiananmen Square in 1989, or Deng’s speech at the XIV Party Congress in 1992, the incorporation of Hong Kong in 1997, or China’s accession to WTO in 2001, or even the passing of laws explicitly protecting private property in 2004? They prioritise present day impressions over historical analysis and understanding.

The case of China

CHINA WAS DEFORMED from the start. It started in 1949 from the model of Stalin’s Russia of 1945 not October 1917. As was said by our comrades at the time, nothing was left of the October revolution in Russia by 1949 except the nationalised planned economy and the monopoly of foreign trade.

As has been previously discussed, most of China’s progress from impoverished semi-colony to superpower was actually made under Mao, not in the recent development incorporating elements of capitalism. It was precisely this superpower status which gave China the independence from imperialism to undertake its path towards capitalism. Yet we should still regard China as a deformed workers state, but one in which capitalism has been let loose.

China is like a Soviet Union of the 1920s, but in which there is not even a residual element of workers democracy and with an uncontrolled New Economic Policy (NEP), which has been allowed to develop far beyond the NEP in 1920s Russia. Deng’s slogan for the peasants, ‘To get rich is glorious!’, was an echo of Bukharin’s slogan of the 1920s, ‘Peasants enrich yourselves’. Yet Russia in the 1920s was still a deformed workers state.
The NEP-type process in China has probably gone too far to be reversed, whatever the wishes of the bureaucrats of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). But this does not mean that the country is capitalist now, although it is likely that a capitalist overturn is more or less inevitable in the future.
An interesting point in Peter Taaffe’s article (Socialism Today, April 2007) was that in China the working class has now experienced capitalism and the market, and therefore should be less likely to support a transition to full-blooded capitalism. In fact workers in China are increasingly fighting back against the nascent capitalists using the traditional weapons of working class struggle such as strikes and trade union organisation.
In the USSR Gorbachev attempted to combine Perestroika (restructuring) with Glasnost (openness), using elements of the market within the deformed workers state, only to be rewarded with a coup and eventual dismissal. The Chinese bureaucracy drew the conclusion from the coup and the subsequent disastrous restoration of capitalism that they had to proceed with ‘perestroika’, restructuring, but without the political reform of ‘glasnost’.

As a result the Chinese working class are having to wage an underground struggle against the restructuring of the economy, against the effects of the capitalist elements introduced by the bureaucrats. We see strikes, protests and nascent illegal trade unions.

Peter Taaffe introduced a very interesting and fruitful idea into the discussion – that in China we have two different compartments of the economy, with sectors of rampant capitalism co-existing with sectors of the planned economy.

The state itself is of a mixed character with capitalist elements co-existing with the deformed workers state; and so the working class has to adopt different methods of struggle depending on which element confronts them. In fact the two elements have co-existed in fully-fledged form in China since the re-incorporation of Hong Kong into the ‘People’s Republic’ in 1997. At that time the CCP proclaimed ‘One country, two systems’. Of course such an amalgam must be inherently unstable, but it has lasted for twelve years so far. It would be quite possible for a ‘Chinese Solidarity’ to be formed, hence the ferocious repression of those workers who do organise their workmates into illegal unions and protests against unpaid wages. But the state in China is still a deformed workers’ state not a capitalist one.
The main task of the Chinese workers therefore is a political revolution along the lines of Hungary 1956 or Poland 1980, and the task of Marxists is to assist this development.

On the other hand the task for those workers in China who find themselves in the capitalist compartment of the Chinese economy, such as workers in Hong Kong, is to organise for socialism and the expropriation of the capitalists.

There is nothing contradictory or eclectic in describing two elements in co-existence in one society. In Eastern Europe the events were a dual process – a political revolution developing dialectically in tandem with a capitalist counter-revolution.

Other countries also have elements of the different historical stages of society co-existing together. In India we can see hunter-gathering, slavery and feudalism all co-existing with capitalism. We have described India as a living museum of historical materialism. But the Indian ruling class is a capitalist class and it is a capitalist state.

In China capitalism co-exists with a deformed workers’ state; but the state is still ruled by the bureaucracy of the CCP. The question is which element predominates and which class controls the state. As the Chinese state is still a deformed workers’ state it is the demands and analysis of the political revolution which should predominate in the workers’ movement and in theoretical discussion of China.

Transition occurs by qualitative change, not gradual evolution

ON RUSSIA SOME have claimed that the transition to a capitalist state was accomplished gradually by a ‘cold transition’ and without forcible revolution.
On the contrary surely the transition in Russia was accomplished by a series of major events – the failed coup, the attack on the parliament, and the deposing of Gorbachev and break-up of the USSR – to make a qualitative change in the state. Because the state and the bureaucracy had so little support the transition can be seen as ‘cold’, especially when compared with October 1917, but a cold transition is completely different from a peaceful evolution.

It is not a question of the use of force itself in the transition but of its qualitative character. The state has to be reconstituted as part of the transfer of power from the hands of one class to another. In 1917 the revolution in Petrograd was almost totally peaceful. The overturn in Petrograd was followed by the assumption of state power by the Bolsheviks and the construction of a new state apparatus, which had been forged by the soviets in the months after February 1917.

A military struggle was not necessary in Petrograd because of the preparations made and the overwhelming strength of the working class, but the important thing is that the old state of Kerensky was dispersed and a new one formed. The qualitative step in Petrograd occurred almost without military force and could be described as a ‘cold transition’; but it was not a peaceful evolution.

Even so the initial overturn in Petrograd was accompanied by quite extensive fighting in Moscow, and then followed by a savage civil war, at the end of which capitalism had been overthrown across the USSR. A new state was constructed, with the leaders of the old state arrested or in exile.

We have seen no such events in China, and the state apparatus has remained of essentially the same character since 1949.

In summary, the Marxist theory of the state asserts that the state is always a class state, and serves the ‘economically dominant’ ruling class. Therefore a new ruling class has to create its own state, although the new state may incorporate elements of the previous state at the lower levels.
To suddenly assert that China has become a capitalist state without a social counter-revolution is to strip the Marxist theory of the state of its class content. It is to allow present day impressions to overrule proper understanding and explanation of the situation in China in its historical context.

A coherent Marxist reading of present-day China would describe it as a uniquely deformed workers state, with major capitalist elements growing and strengthening within it.

Chinese society is therefore heading towards a huge confrontation between the working class and the nascent capitalist class, in which the CCP will be destroyed or split apart. The important practical point then is that the workers’ movement, and our commentary on that workers’ movement, has to prepare for such a confrontation, because the transition has not yet occurred.

Those who believe it has occurred risk disarming the movement into believing that the decisive event has already happened.

pranabjyoti
13th October 2010, 18:20
Actually, men like Liu are just imperialist agents and I myself even can not recognize them as even capitalist. Liu is in jail because his notion opposes the class interest of Chinese capitalists. China is a comparatively advanced country and its capitalists are also standing in higher level than capitalists of other third world countries, specifically like India, whose capitalists are nothing but totally submissive pimps and whores of imperialism.
The main motto of Liu and co. is to turn China into some kind of capitalist colony like the present East European countries like Poland, Hungary, Romania etc. But, Liu and capitalism are unable to understand that the level of capitalism and capitalists in China is higher than that of other countries and they don't want to play some kind of submissive role like the others. They themselves want others to be submissive to them and as they are now trying to be a world power. So, the future of Liu and his ideology is bleak in China in my opinion.

Queercommie Girl
13th October 2010, 18:25
Actually, men like Liu are just imperialist agents and I myself even can not recognize them as even capitalist. Liu is in jail because his notion opposes the class interest of Chinese capitalists. China is a comparatively advanced country and its capitalists are also standing in higher level than capitalists of other third world countries, specifically like India, whose capitalists are nothing but totally submissive pimps and whores of imperialism.
The main motto of Liu and co. is to turn China into some kind of capitalist colony like the present East European countries like Poland, Hungary, Romania etc. But, Liu and capitalism are unable to understand that the level of capitalism and capitalists in China is higher than that of other countries and they don't want to play some kind of submissive role like the others. They themselves want others to be submissive to them and as they are now trying to be a world power. So, the future of Liu and his ideology is bleak in China in my opinion.

Perhaps, but frankly the rise of capitalism in China is not a good news for Chinese workers.

Also, according to some leftist observers in China, the Chinese ruling bloc is already selling out the Chinese people to the West. You should see the fact that many Chinese nationalists nowadays also oppose the Chinese state to varying degrees.