Commie Club Exerpts [Archive]

Invader Zim

4th August 2003, 20:44

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 07:55 PM
It's nice to know that members of the "commie club" use their private forum to slag other board members.

Thank you comrade Rasta for your enlightened views that "stalinists" should all be banned. That's very white of you.

AK47 post in commie club;

"I actually rather like a few of the Stalinists, granted RAF is a fool, who is consistantly getting proved wrong and because of that is resorting to flame, but I think that in general the stalinists are alright. "

Now to anyone with a rational mind can see here that the monkey is being a child. Perhaps he thinks that spreading lies about me is a good time. Perhaps he is simply following his capitalist tendencies that dictate propaganda must be created to combat those with a superior intellect.

Quit being a pussy son, why don't you come out in the public with a list of "debates" where I have been proven "wrong"

Come out and play monkey.

EDIT:

Please note that the monkey was the one crusading to have RedStar2000 banned for being a suspected "paedophile" which was subsequently proven to be a load of horseshit. Perhaps someone should put a leash on this monkey 'cos he's out of control.
As far as I am aware you have not been given CC access, I dont know how you managed to infiltrate a private forum. But It was a mistake, a little while ago before you joined we had a similar issue of CC information leakage, the Admins were not happy.

Now to anyone with a rational mind can see here that the monkey is being a child. Perhaps he thinks that spreading lies about me is a good time. Perhaps he is simply following his capitalist tendencies that dictate propaganda must be created to combat those with a superior intellect.

Sorry mate, it was not a lie. You have been proved wrong several times.

Quit being a pussy son, why don't you come out in the public with a list of "debates" where I have been proven "wrong"

Come out and play monkey.

Well there was the time you accused me of saying that 1984 was parody of Stains regime, you were proved wrong, then. Infact I do not even know why I am bothering to discuss this with you, any person who takes two min's reading in the OI forum can see many examples.

Please note that the monkey was the one crusading to have RedStar2000 banned for being a suspected "paedophile" which was subsequently proven to be a load of horseshit. Perhaps someone should put a leash on this monkey 'cos he's out of control.

You either cannot read or you have a bad informant for several reasons. All the ones Moskitto pointed out and its was redstar who was trying to get Moskitto banned for calling him supportive of paedophilia.

So mate get a better informant or when you view material you are not supposed to, at least get it right and dont make stuff up.

This is another thing you are wrong about it seams.

RAF if someone talks behind your back you should'nt feel bad, it just means that they avoid talking to you head on.

I have said considerably worse to him "head on" as you put it, dont worry about that mate. In the thread in the CC, our friend Rasta, stated that RF had been flaming me, the above was my respose. Just because RAF chooses to be a poor reporter giving a very bias "story" in one case lying and in the other only reposting the bad stuff from me.

Anybody in the CC can conferm this.

AK47.

Felicia

4th August 2003, 21:03

As far as I am aware you have not been given CC access, I dont know how you managed to infiltrate a private forum. But It was a mistake, a little while ago before you joined we had a similar issue of CC information leakage, the Admins were not happy.
*sigh*
time for a commie club purge.....we'll have to get right on that... :angry:

Plus, RAF is talking about a "monkey"..... I thought he was talking about me :lol:

<-------------- monkey, lol

canikickit

4th August 2003, 21:18

Just personally, I dont get the point of a Commie club. It doesn't accomplish anything

It's purpose is administration. Naturally people use it for airing their angers, because it is private, but why is that a problem?

TXsocialist

4th August 2003, 21:20

Hey, Nostalgist boy, I'm not a trot.

Xprewatik RED

4th August 2003, 21:25

So only admins join it? What is the purpose of the commie club, enlighten me. Is it where you discuss organizing the server?

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 21:30

Well isn't it nice to see how many so called "socialist" anti elitist are really just kids looking for a place to whine. Goodness goodness me.

Hey monkey, no ever denied me access to the commie club as I have never been so inclined to ever bother applying. Good job at attempting to alienate me monkey. Look at this moron here. The monkey says "infiltrate a privat forum"! It is not my fault that there are members of that forum that don't share the monkey's views of me (as everything he says is bullshit) and find the monkey's behaviour to be childish and cowardly. Sorry for having friends. Too fucking bad monkey boy!

Bad Bad Monkey! No bananas for a week.

Private my arse Cani. If you think slagginf members of the board in front of a selected group of people without those individuals being given a chance to defend themselves is okay then you are deluded.

Whatever happened to practise what you preach? The level of respect I have for this board just went way down. How much more hypocritical can you get. Especially from a bunch of CHILDREN attempting to slag a 20 year member of the party. You kids are so cute it makes me wanna sing.

I'm Still waiting for that list monkey. Put up or fuck off shithead.

Felicia

4th August 2003, 21:32

Originally posted by Xprewatik [email protected] 4 2003, 06:25 PM
So only admins join it? What is the purpose of the commie club, enlighten me. Is it where you discuss organizing the server?
no, not just admins, but mods and regular members too.

And yes, we HAVE discussed the server, it's problems, the progress being made on the new board, that problems that were experienced during the last time they tried to switch over to invisionboard. It's not all "ban this person" and "ban that person", although that does happen. Whom ever took it upon themselves to share CC information with a non-CC member should be expelled from the CC immediately. Especially given how the found-out information was used, for this thread. :angry:

Felicia

4th August 2003, 21:36

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 06:30 PM
Whatever happened to practise what you preach? The level of respect I have for this board just went way down. How much more hypocritical can you get. Especially from a bunch of CHILDREN attempting to slag a 20 year member of the party. You kids are so cute it makes me wanna sing.

ok, since you like CC excerpts so much....

You are in a dictatorship. No matter what board you are on, there is an administrator, and that Administrator can do anything, generally it is the owner, or the owner hires somebody to do it for him. There are no exceptions to this rule.
--- an admin (I won't mention who, I don't know if I should...)

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 21:38

It sure sucks being caught in hypocracy doesn't it? I just love this feeling of unity among socialists. I's so proud right now.

Felicia

4th August 2003, 21:42

sure sucks having nothing to say in return, doesn't it?

Rastafari

4th August 2003, 21:45

fuck it. I only stated the topic cause I was pissed for a little while and thought I'd respond like a lot of these sucka's here do, by banning someone!

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th August 2003, 21:51

RAF, i strongly suggest you stop this flaming, it's likely to get you caged.
If you would put your arrogance aside for a second, you may be able to hear what we're saying.
I understand your criticism of this forum's lack of socialism, i agree, but insults are gonna get you nowhere.

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 21:51

Nice retort Comrade Felicia. I woulld have thought better of you. Perhaps I was right in my initial impression of you. Just another silly kiddie commie looking for drama.

Comrade Rasta, thanks for clearing that portion up. I was amazed that your name was associated with such an ignorant ideal like banning fellow communists. These kids here love to feel like their big-shots by running around like the fucking gestapo threatening to "ban" everyone that dares to question their "rock Solid" ideals that have been formed over several MONTHS perhaps even a YEAR of studying Marxism. Truly pathetic.

The communists and socialists you all claim to follow would turn their backs on your elitist hypocracy.

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 21:52

Do any of you ever try to communicate without imposing a FEAR of being BANNED? What are you all 10

EDIT:

Nice edit changing the word "banned" to "caged"

Rastafari

4th August 2003, 21:53

yeah, pretty much, Commendante.

Fuck it, though, I still have one more strike left!

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 21:54

then perhaps an admin or even comrade Malte himself should come and explain to me how it is I am wrong for defending my character against the attacks of a childish monkey Felicia

elijahcraig

4th August 2003, 21:58

AK47 is a utopian fool. Anything he says should be discounted.

Stalinists...banned??? Then we could have a bunch of idealist utopianists running around praising Trotsky and anarchists playing in candyland. Nice one. Ban stalinists, you ban marxist-leninists. YOu would also have to change the name of the board...Che was a Stalinist. If che-lives, stalinism-lives, and if stalinism-lives, marxism-leninism-lives.

Rastafari

4th August 2003, 21:59

well, you need to passively defend, not competitively defend yourself, or bust some balls you would call it

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:05

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 09:59 PM
well, you need to passively defend, not competitively defend yourself, or bust some balls you would call it
Well we all know I can be a volitile individual ComradeRasta. It's in my nature. I find it disheartening to find myself being slagged by fellow socialists that I myself have defended without predudice on may occasions. Serves me right for I suppose for following the ideals of marxism for 20 years. I reckon I'm just an old timer that thinks unity means something.

Invader Zim

4th August 2003, 22:05

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 09:30 PM
Well isn't it nice to see how many so called "socialist" anti elitist are really just kids looking for a place to whine. Goodness goodness me.

Hey monkey, no ever denied me access to the commie club as I have never been so inclined to ever bother applying. Good job at attempting to alienate me monkey. Look at this moron here. The monkey says "infiltrate a privat forum"! It is not my fault that there are members of that forum that don't share the monkey's views of me (as everything he says is bullshit) and find the monkey's behaviour to be childish and cowardly. Sorry for having friends. Too fucking bad monkey boy!

Bad Bad Monkey! No bananas for a week.

Private my arse Cani. If you think slagginf members of the board in front of a selected group of people without those individuals being given a chance to defend themselves is okay then you are deluded.

Whatever happened to practise what you preach? The level of respect I have for this board just went way down. How much more hypocritical can you get. Especially from a bunch of CHILDREN attempting to slag a 20 year member of the party. You kids are so cute it makes me wanna sing.

I'm Still waiting for that list monkey. Put up or fuck off shithead.
I'm Still waiting for that list monkey. Put up or fuck off shithead.

Knowing the Admin intolerance for this sort of thing, you may not even be around to read it. You had better start sucking up to people like Canikickit as he is likely to be the person who will defend you because he's nice like that. Patronising him and calling him a hypocrite is not going to make him any fonder of you.

However I am willing to attempt to make you look that little bit dumber by publicising your stupidity, however after this thread i am not sure you could look more stupid... It really astounds me that you incriminated your self by posting this material. What an idiot...

1. Not knowing the difference between the treaty of Brest-Litovsk and the Soviet Nazi none aggression pact.

2. Declaring that I had stated that 1984 was used as anti Stalin propaganda, I am still waiting for your proof, even though I have provided evidence in my defence. Proved wrong Grand dad.

3. When you lied about the Redstar2000 Moskitto paedophile incident. Moskitto quickly proved you wrong.

There are others, however I feel I have done your ego enough damage with this material alone.

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:14

Good try monkey. Not even close. It is in your opinion I don't know the difference between the two treaties. As I told you back then, I misread what you were saying.

Good try sonny-boy

This is your list? What a joke.

Goodbye monkey.

I think Cani already knows how I feel about him. I have never been unpleasant towards him and always defend him and many other members when necessary.

I do enjoy how you love to talk for other members of this board. It has been my experience here so far that these people you love to talk for think you are a joke.

Allow me to ecxplain logic to you monkey, I made that statement from information given to me by someone else. He is not an admirer of the monkey I must say. When I posted it I was in full belief that it was accurate, therefore, I did not lie.

I bet that flew right over your head eh monkey?

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th August 2003, 22:17

RAF, I'm sorry, I hadn't realized that someone had already warned you of a possible caging, I was just trying to tell to not flame so much, it's really not helping you, comrade.

You complain that Stalinists do not get proper representation in CC, am i correct? You do not appreciate the power you faction is given, yes? You want the users, aside from just CC members, to have some power, right? You feel that you are being wrongfuly ostracized, no?

Well, lemme tell you that nothing will hapen to you, there are plenty of leninist/stalinists in CC who would be willing to uphold your cause, even if you do not have (rightfu(?!)) access to CC. Most of us will vote against a ban unless the member in question has said something particularly offensive or discriminatory.

:)

Invader Zim

4th August 2003, 22:18

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 09:58 PM
AK47 is a utopian fool. Anything he says should be discounted.

Stalinists...banned??? Then we could have a bunch of idealist utopianists running around praising Trotsky and anarchists playing in candyland. Nice one. Ban stalinists, you ban marxist-leninists. YOu would also have to change the name of the board...Che was a Stalinist. If che-lives, stalinism-lives, and if stalinism-lives, marxism-leninism-lives.
My god... before I just thought you were uninformed and in need of a little education. However now I know you are truly ignorant of all socialist theory.

You are Never ever going to see a "utopian" ever running around praising Trotsky or his ideology. It is a completely different ideology based on different principals. Hell the only similarity is that its a form of socialism.

Also I am not tied down to any single Ideology, I support many different idea's and people all over the socialist spectrum. Robert Owen is one of My favourites as is Che. Ideologically completely different, both doing loads for the movement as a whole. No ideology is perfect, no person is perfect.

So I may be in your opinion a Utopian fool, but it seams I know a hell of a lot more about socialism than you do. Especially as you thought your ideological hero Marx was not from the working classes.

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:20

No one believes you monkey.

elijahcraig

4th August 2003, 22:22

My god... before I just thought you were uninformed and in need of a little education. However now I know you are truly ignorant of all socialist theory.

Yes, let's all slide over and read Robert O. Dumbass.

You are Never ever going to see a "utopian" ever running around praising Trotsky or his ideology. It is a completely different ideology based on different principals. Hell the only similarity is that its a form of socialism.

Utopian is the word I used to describe Trotskyists...it applies to people who are not realistic. Take it as you want.

Also I am not tied down to any single Ideology, I support many different idea's and people all over the socialist spectrum. Robert Owen is one of My favourites as is Che. Ideologically completely different, both doing loads for the movement as a whole. No ideology is perfect, no person is perfect.

Che was a Stalinist.

So I may be in your opinion a Utopian fool, but it seams I know a hell of a lot more about socialism than you do. Especially as you thought your ideological hero Marx was not from the working classes.

? I read a different biography than you.

You know more about socialism than me? Yeah, that is why you are pimping Robert O, and saying Marx has flaws. Complete moron.

Felicia

4th August 2003, 22:22

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 06:54 PM
then perhaps an admin or even comrade Malte himself should come and explain to me how it is I am wrong for defending my character against the attacks of a childish monkey Felicia
attacks from me? I haven't attacked you in the CC until this thread. All I had said about you thus far was "HA, RAF's a stalinist? I had no clue, haha" that's pretty much it. I don't like the banning of stalinists (I went through a stalinist "phase" or rather stage, when I was around 16).

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe.

Invader Zim

4th August 2003, 22:23

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 10:14 PM
Good try monkey. Not even close. It is in your opinion I don't know the difference between the two treaties. As I told you back then, I misread what you were saying.

Good try sonny-boy

This is your list? What a joke.

Goodbye monkey.

I think Cani already knows how I feel about him. I have never been unpleasant towards him and always defend him and many other members when necessary.

I do enjoy how you love to talk for other members of this board. It has been my experience here so far that these people you love to talk for think you are a joke.

Allow me to ecxplain logic to you monkey, I made that statement from information given to me by someone else. He is not an admirer of the monkey I must say. When I posted it I was in full belief that it was accurate, therefore, I did not lie.

I bet that flew right over your head eh monkey?
Good try monkey. Not even close. It is in your opinion I don't know the difference between the two treaties. As I told you back then, I misread what you were saying.

Back peddle...

Allow me to ecxplain logic to you monkey, I made that statement from information given to me by someone else. He is not an admirer of the monkey I must say. When I posted it I was in full belief that it was accurate, therefore, I did not lie.

Your informant is a fool, and if they had any gutts they would own up and you are a fool for believing this idiot. Perhaps this teaches you that you cant believe every thing you hear...?

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:24

attacks from me? I haven't attacked you in the CC until this thread. All I had said about you thus far was "HA, RAF's a stalinist? I had no clue, haha" that's pretty much it. I don't like the banning of stalinists (I went through a stalinist "phase" or rather stage, when I was around 16).

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe.

sorry I phrased that badly....I meant ak47 as the monkey...try reading it with your name at the beginning...

elijahcraig

4th August 2003, 22:24

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe.

Isn't that a nonsensical statement which goes without saying?

Guardia Bolivariano

4th August 2003, 22:25

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 09:58 PM
AK47 is a utopian fool. Anything he says should be discounted.

If there ever was uncertainty over the absolut truth theory, remember the above...

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th August 2003, 22:26

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 04:20 PM
No one believes you monkey.
to whom are you referring?

Invader Zim

4th August 2003, 22:26

Originally posted by felicia+Aug 4 2003, 10:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (felicia @ Aug 4 2003, 10:22 PM)
COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 06:54 PM
then perhaps an admin or even comrade Malte himself should come and explain to me how it is I am wrong for defending my character against the attacks of a childish monkey Felicia
attacks from me? I haven't attacked you in the CC until this thread. All I had said about you thus far was "HA, RAF's a stalinist? I had no clue, haha" that's pretty much it. I don't like the banning of stalinists (I went through a stalinist "phase" or rather stage, when I was around 16).

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe. [/b]
I believe he was refering to me, he just did not have the brains to place a comma before your name.

It is very rich that he is kicking up a fuss for me calling him an idiot, especially as he has branded me as "monkey". But dont flatter your self RAF, any attack I made against you I have made to your face many times.

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:29

please excuse my poor typing...I have a phone on one ear and a labtop on my lap I actually conduct business during thr day monkey...I'm an adult.

edit

and your attacks never cease to amaze me with their childish simplicity and ignorance my little monkey

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th August 2003, 22:30

just to take your attention away from this flame war for just a second, perhaps you might consider reading my post a few posts up on the last page, RAF. Now you may return to the flame war. :)

Moskitto

4th August 2003, 22:36

Will you guys stop flaming each other, someone said some shit about some other guy, WOW, don't people do that with PMs allready (not that I do), divert your anger towards something constructive like sport. Or go to the gym and squat according to how angry you are, say, "I'm really pissed off, 200kg today."

RAF, I think you're hate has confused your reality, you're now twisting and blaming AK47 for things that I DID. And will you guys just leave his spelling alone, he's dyslexic, he knows that, I met a guy who was numlexic who is an international level referee in his sport, maybe try criticizing what he says, not how he says.

Felicia

4th August 2003, 22:44

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 07:24 PM

attacks from me? I haven't attacked you in the CC until this thread. All I had said about you thus far was "HA, RAF's a stalinist? I had no clue, haha" that's pretty much it. I don't like the banning of stalinists (I went through a stalinist "phase" or rather stage, when I was around 16).

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe.

sorry I phrased that badly....I meant ak47 as the monkey...try reading it with your name at the beginning...
hmm, interesting, I see it now.....

Nice retort Comrade Felicia. I woulld have thought better of you. Perhaps I was right in my initial impression of you. Just another silly kiddie commie looking for drama.

...interesting also......

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:44

I'm not blaming the him for the paedophile business moskitto. I was given inaccurate information in regards to that and you correct me. That issue is closed.

My issue is his cowardly attacks in a forum I have never applied to, thus leaving me no alternative but to defend myself in the public.

I will read it now VC...I must have missed it before in my anger.

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:46

Originally posted by felicia+Aug 4 2003, 10:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (felicia @ Aug 4 2003, 10:44 PM)
COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 07:24 PM

attacks from me? I haven't attacked you in the CC until this thread. All I had said about you thus far was "HA, RAF's a stalinist? I had no clue, haha" that's pretty much it. I don't like the banning of stalinists (I went through a stalinist "phase" or rather stage, when I was around 16).

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe.

sorry I phrased that badly....I meant ak47 as the monkey...try reading it with your name at the beginning...
hmm, interesting, I see it now.....

Nice retort Comrade Felicia. I woulld have thought better of you. Perhaps I was right in my initial impression of you. Just another silly kiddie commie looking for drama.

...interesting also...... [/b]
I will retract my second statement Felicia. I was angry.

Invader Zim

4th August 2003, 22:47

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 10:22 PM

My god... before I just thought you were uninformed and in need of a little education. However now I know you are truly ignorant of all socialist theory.

Yes, let's all slide over and read Robert O. Dumbass.

You are Never ever going to see a "utopian" ever running around praising Trotsky or his ideology. It is a completely different ideology based on different principals. Hell the only similarity is that its a form of socialism.

Utopian is the word I used to describe Trotskyists...it applies to people who are not realistic. Take it as you want.

Also I am not tied down to any single Ideology, I support many different idea's and people all over the socialist spectrum. Robert Owen is one of My favourites as is Che. Ideologically completely different, both doing loads for the movement as a whole. No ideology is perfect, no person is perfect.

Che was a Stalinist.

So I may be in your opinion a Utopian fool, but it seams I know a hell of a lot more about socialism than you do. Especially as you thought your ideological hero Marx was not from the working classes.

? I read a different biography than you.

You know more about socialism than me? Yeah, that is why you are pimping Robert O, and saying Marx has flaws. Complete moron.
Yes, let's all slide over and read Robert O. Dumbass.

No you should just read socialist theory period, because you know jack shit.

Utopian is the word I used to describe Trotskyists...it applies to people who are not realistic. Take it as you want.

Well as utopian socialism is a specific socialist ideology then perhaps you would have the brains to not describe Trot's as Utopians... Or is that too much like common sense for you?

Che was a Stalinist.

Well-done mate, your first correct statement. Maybe you are not doomed to eternal ignorance after all.

I read a different biography than you.

Shitty Biography, perhaps that’s why you know so little; with all the rubbish that has been feeding you.

You know more about socialism than me? Yeah, that is why you are pimping Robert O, and saying Marx has flaws. Complete moron.

Well obviously I actually know what the different socialist ideologies are and what they stand for, unlike you. You should go and speak to Redstar2000, he is very good at his socialist theory.

As for my "pimping Robert O", as you so delicately put it, Like Marx I believe his theories have flaws, as I have told you specifically before. Marx's theories do have flaws, hence the reason why we are not living in a Marxist paradise right now. I would have thought that to be pretty god damn obvious.

Moskitto

4th August 2003, 22:48

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 10:44 PM
I'm not blaming the him for the paedophile business moskitto. I was given inaccurate information in regards to that and you correct me. That issue is closed.

My issue is his cowardly attacks in a forum I have never applied to, thus leaving me no alternative but to defend myself in the public.

I will read it now VC...I must have missed it before in my anger.
that is most excellent, I will return tommorow and prescribe you all a squat weight to vent your anger against.

Vinny Rafarino

4th August 2003, 22:54

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 10:17 PM
RAF, I'm sorry, I hadn't realized that someone had already warned you of a possible caging, I was just trying to tell to not flame so much, it's really not helping you, comrade.

You complain that Stalinists do not get proper representation in CC, am i correct? You do not appreciate the power you faction is given, yes? You want the users, aside from just CC members, to have some power, right? You feel that you are being wrongfuly ostracized, no?

Well, lemme tell you that nothing will hapen to you, there are plenty of leninist/stalinists in CC who would be willing to uphold your cause, even if you do not have (rightfu(?!)) access to CC. Most of us will vote against a ban unless the member in question has said something particularly offensive or discriminatory.

:)
No problem comrade VC.

It's not that I want access to the commie club. I've never even applied. I have never given it thought before as I don't see it as relative to my cause. So the answer is no, I do not really care about the hard-line left being represented in the commie club. We have plenty of representation in the actual world. I don't consider "power" to be relevant to anything real on a message board comrade. This forum has nothing to do with the workings of the communist parties and other "factions" of the movement. I never once complained about "proper representation" of anyone. My complaint was spelled out in black and white in my original post. One complaint was inaccurate and I was given appropriate information on the subject. The other is still valid now as it was then. It will always be valid.

Please clarify this portion, I could not gather it's meaning;

"You do not appreciate the power you faction is given, yes? "

Felicia

4th August 2003, 22:55

Originally posted by COMRADE RAF+Aug 4 2003, 07:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (COMRADE RAF @ Aug 4 2003, 07:46 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 10:44 PM

COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 07:24 PM

attacks from me? I haven't attacked you in the CC until this thread. All I had said about you thus far was "HA, RAF's a stalinist? I had no clue, haha" that's pretty much it. I don't like the banning of stalinists (I went through a stalinist "phase" or rather stage, when I was around 16).

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe.

sorry I phrased that badly....I meant ak47 as the monkey...try reading it with your name at the beginning...
hmm, interesting, I see it now.....

Nice retort Comrade Felicia. I woulld have thought better of you. Perhaps I was right in my initial impression of you. Just another silly kiddie commie looking for drama.

...interesting also......
I will retract my second statement Felicia. I was angry. [/b]
actually, I think it was your first statement...... say it biotch, say it!!! "I'm sorry Felicia, you're truly the best" :lol: :)

fine fine.

Invader Zim

4th August 2003, 23:07

OK RAF, regarding the post made in the CC about you. Firstly It was in respocne to another member who was commenting on your constant flaming me, obviously something else your informant neglected to tell you. If it had been made in chit chat, I would have responded with the same post, It just happened to be in the CC. That post was mearly in passing comment, and you only a small part of that post. I did not create a whole thread about you being an ass-hole, as you have done here for me, and I also did not abuse the rules of this forum, like you and your informant, out of petty spite. Also the comment was not nearly as bad as what I have said directly to you in the open. It is obvious that the only reason you have created this thread is to further flame me, it is as transparant as glass that what i actually said has got you this worked up, rather you used it deliberatly to further attack me.

canikickit

4th August 2003, 23:07

Private my arse Cani. If you think slagginf members of the board in front of a selected group of people without those individuals being given a chance to defend themselves is okay then you are deluded.

I don't think it's okay. I don't like it. Like I said in the Commie Club, it is your business that someone is talking about you in there, and I don't really blame whoever told you for telling you.

What I meant in my original thread in this post, is that the Commie Club is for discussing the administration of the board in a somewhat democratic manner. Most board don't have this.

It is only natural that people will air their grievences in a forum they know to be private, but that does not mean that I condone such behaviour, I'm just acknowledging the fact that it exists.

I hope that the "fucking kids" style comment in the next paragraph of your post I have quoted from were not directed at me, because I'll seriously kick your ass man! :lol:

Dark Capitalist

4th August 2003, 23:10

Am I ever talked about in the CC?

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th August 2003, 23:26

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 04:54 PM
No problem comrade VC.

It's not that I want access to the commie club. I've never even applied. I have never given it thought before as I don't see it as relative to my cause. So the answer is no, I do not really care about the hard-line left being represented in the commie club. We have plenty of representation in the actual world. I don't consider "power" to be relevant to anything real on a message board comrade. This forum has nothing to do with the workings of the communist parties and other "factions" of the movement. I never once complained about "proper representation" of anyone. My complaint was spelled out in black and white in my original post. One complaint was inaccurate and I was given appropriate information on the subject. The other is still valid now as it was then. It will always be valid.

Please clarify this portion, I could not gather it's meaning;

"You do not appreciate the power you faction is given, yes? "
I was just under the impression that you were complaining about Rastafari's and AK47's attacks on your presence as a Stalinist. I was just clearing up any thoughts that you may have had regarding the outcome of their actions against you. Never will anyone be banned strictly for being a Stalinist, and hardly ever will anyone be caged for that reason, so don't worry about the threats. I figured you thought that Rasta's complaint would have affected you in some way, but if this is ever voted upon, you'll be fine. Sorry if i make little sense, i'm a bit out of it today.

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th August 2003, 23:29

Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 4 2003, 05:10 PM
Am I ever talked about in the CC?
Actualy, we appreciate your presence. You're probably the most widely accepted capitalist and the only widely accepted capitalist, for that matter. We hate just about every other capie.

canikickit

4th August 2003, 23:40

There's 84 threads about you at present, Dark Capitalist.

Felicia

4th August 2003, 23:47

Am I ever talked about in the CC?

Honestly DC? There's nothing that I can recall about you, sorry.

Would you like to have a thread started about you? I' msure I could make something work..... :P

There are lots of ones about ******* however :D :P

Dark Capitalist

4th August 2003, 23:51

Well, I know that there were about five threads concerning me among the old commie club posts (before they got deleted). This was back when Malte tried to add a rating option to the threads, which was buggy and eventually ended up disabling CC and IL team security.

I think I'm the only capitalist to have ever been inside the commie club. :D

Vinny Rafarino

5th August 2003, 00:02

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 11:07 PM

Private my arse Cani. If you think slagginf members of the board in front of a selected group of people without those individuals being given a chance to defend themselves is okay then you are deluded.

I don't think it's okay. I don't like it. Like I said in the Commie Club, it is your business that someone is talking about you in there, and I don't really blame whoever told you for telling you.

What I meant in my original thread in this post, is that the Commie Club is for discussing the administration of the board in a somewhat democratic manner. Most board don't have this.

It is only natural that people will air their grievences in a forum they know to be private, but that does not mean that I condone such behaviour, I'm just acknowledging the fact that it exists.

I hope that the "fucking kids" style comment in the next paragraph of your post I have quoted from were not directed at me, because I'll seriously kick your ass man! :lol:
No it was not directed at you Cani. However I'm confident you not be able no kick my ass.

Thank you for clearing that bit of business up mate.

Urban Rubble

5th August 2003, 00:07

Jesus Christ people, first we had that stupid Che-Lives vs ISF "debate", now this.

O.K, here we go.

First off I would like to comment on some of the ridiculous comments made by "I just found out what Socialism is yesterday". Wait, excuse me, his name is ElijahCraig.

"Ban stalinists, you ban marxist-leninists"

So all Marxists are Stalinists ? Is that what you are trying to claim ?

"Che was a Stalinist"

I wouldn't say that Che was a Stalinist. Sure, he admired Stalin, but that didn't make him a Stalinist.

"Yeah, that is why you are pimping Robert O, and saying Marx has flaws. Complete moron."

God you're a retard. Do actually believe what you just typed ? Do you really think that Marx was a flawless (threfore perfect) human being ? You're a fucking idiot if you think it is possible for a human to be flawless.

AK, you keep telling RAF that he can be banned or caged for his flaming, then, in the very next sentence you call him names like "stupid". Is that not a flame ? I don't see why people make such a stink about RAF's flaming, everyone does it, and even if they didn't, who the fuck cares ? Can people not take these words on their screen ? Does it physically hurt them ?

Ah fuck, I have to take my brother to go get his car from the mechanic. All I have to say is this, RAF, I may disagree with some of the things you say, hell, even alot of the things you say, but who cares ? We're all dirty commies and I think you're fucking hilarious. I defended you in the CC and I will continue to. You listen to great music, I'll call you my comrade.

Invader Zim

5th August 2003, 00:13

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 5 2003, 12:07 AM
AK, you keep telling RAF that he can be banned or caged for his flaming, then, in the very next sentence you call him names like "stupid". Is that not a flame ? I don't see why people make such a stink about RAF's flaming, everyone does it, and even if they didn't, who the fuck cares ? Can people not take these words on their screen ? Does it physically hurt them ?

I never said he would get banned or caged for flaming...

Vinny Rafarino

5th August 2003, 00:21

Originally posted by felicia+Aug 4 2003, 10:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (felicia @ Aug 4 2003, 10:55 PM)
Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 10:44 PM

COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 07:24 PM

attacks from me? I haven't attacked you in the CC until this thread. All I had said about you thus far was "HA, RAF's a stalinist? I had no clue, haha" that's pretty much it. I don't like the banning of stalinists (I went through a stalinist "phase" or rather stage, when I was around 16).

But whatever you want to believe about me is what you're going to believe.

sorry I phrased that badly....I meant ak47 as the monkey...try reading it with your name at the beginning...
hmm, interesting, I see it now.....

Nice retort Comrade Felicia. I woulld have thought better of you. Perhaps I was right in my initial impression of you. Just another silly kiddie commie looking for drama.

...interesting also......
I will retract my second statement Felicia. I was angry.
actually, I think it was your first statement...... say it biotch, say it!!! "I'm sorry Felicia, you're truly the best" :lol: :)

fine fine. [/b]
I wouldn't take my retraction as a sign of weakness Comrade Felicia. I did it to keep our relationship here civil.

As I don't necessary feel like making three posts in response to all of your statements, I will conclude by adding this for the monkey.

How's those banana's taste?

Playing the "sudden victim" game has fooled no one. You are as guilty of flaming as anyone, however your slags tend to be a bit on the juvenile side. with that and your constant back-peddling, the monkey definitely amuses me greatly with his tricks.

Vinny Rafarino

5th August 2003, 00:24

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 5 2003, 12:07 AM
Jesus Christ people, first we had that stupid Che-Lives vs ISF "debate", now this.

O.K, here we go.

First off I would like to comment on some of the ridiculous comments made by "I just found out what Socialism is yesterday". Wait, excuse me, his name is ElijahCraig.

"Ban stalinists, you ban marxist-leninists"

So all Marxists are Stalinists ? Is that what you are trying to claim ?

"Che was a Stalinist"

I wouldn't say that Che was a Stalinist. Sure, he admired Stalin, but that didn't make him a Stalinist.

"Yeah, that is why you are pimping Robert O, and saying Marx has flaws. Complete moron."

God you're a retard. Do actually believe what you just typed ? Do you really think that Marx was a flawless (threfore perfect) human being ? You're a fucking idiot if you think it is possible for a human to be flawless.

AK, you keep telling RAF that he can be banned or caged for his flaming, then, in the very next sentence you call him names like "stupid". Is that not a flame ? I don't see why people make such a stink about RAF's flaming, everyone does it, and even if they didn't, who the fuck cares ? Can people not take these words on their screen ? Does it physically hurt them ?

Ah fuck, I have to take my brother to go get his car from the mechanic. All I have to say is this, RAF, I may disagree with some of the things you say, hell, even alot of the things you say, but who cares ? We're all dirty commies and I think you're fucking hilarious. I defended you in the CC and I will continue to. You listen to great music, I'll call you my comrade.
Thank you comrade Rubble. You are a good mate. You to Cani.

Felicia

5th August 2003, 00:31

I wouldn't take my retraction as a sign of weakness Comrade Felicia. I did it to keep our relationship here civil.

sure, sure..... I believe you...... :wacko: :P

Saint-Just

5th August 2003, 00:32

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 08:04 PM
Who cares, don't ban them. This is their last refuge, they're the fringe of the larger fringe, they're a dead group, a shell of their former power. They're nostalgists and idiots, children who profess that Stalin was a near-god, while they deny his crimes against the people, they're mistakes who lie, they're fools who feign intelligence, they're kids who try to use a lawyer's logic to cover a murderer's work.
I think you will find that since this forum started there have been around 20 'Stalinists' who post regularly. Hardly in a minority, from this list of members I can only deduce that so-called 'fringe group' is the largest group of communists in the world if this site is representative of the world leftist movement.

nateddi
che guevara
ernesto lynch
joseph stalin
ymir
elijahcraig
chairman mao
cassius clay
comrade junichi
comrade raf
thursday night
el brujo
mazdak
soviet
el brujo
hs the whap
comrade marcel

And others I have not mentioned are all Marxist-Leninists who are supposedly on a 'fringe'. 'Feign intelligence'? I may not be excessively intelligent, you may be, but I know many comrades here who are regarded by the majority as intelligent and are you regarded as such?

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 01:44

No you should just read socialist theory period, because you know jack shit.

Really? I guess that's your opinion. I think I have a pretty good knowledge of it myself. I don't follow Robert O, as you do.

Well as utopian socialism is a specific socialist ideology then perhaps you would have the brains to not describe Trot's as Utopians... Or is that too much like common sense for you?

Too much common sense? Now you're just lactating your incompetence.

Shitty Biography, perhaps that’s why you know so little; with all the rubbish that has been feeding you.

I guess so, although I think what Marx wrote is more important than what others wrote about him.

Well obviously I actually know what the different socialist ideologies are and what they stand for, unlike you. You should go and speak to Redstar2000, he is very good at his socialist theory.

Redstar? He's intelligent, unlike youself. I DO know about Robert, I am familiar with his utopian nonsense.

As for my "pimping Robert O", as you so delicately put it, Like Marx I believe his theories have flaws, as I have told you specifically before. Marx's theories do have flaws, hence the reason why we are not living in a Marxist paradise right now. I would have thought that to be pretty god damn obvious.

Marx has flaws because we are not living in a Marxist "paradise" right now? That makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. Marx's vision of capitalist society is as relevant today, even moreso, than before.

First off I would like to comment on some of the ridiculous comments made by "I just found out what Socialism is yesterday". Wait, excuse me, his name is ElijahCraig.

Well, let's see how much you know:

"Ban stalinists, you ban marxist-leninists"

So all Marxists are Stalinists ? Is that what you are trying to claim ?

Is that what I said? No, I said Stalinists are Marxist-Leninists. That's called clear-cut reasoning.

"Che was a Stalinist"

I wouldn't say that Che was a Stalinist. Sure, he admired Stalin, but that didn't make him a Stalinist.

Stalinists are Marxist-Leninists, Che supported Stalin, he was a Marxist-Leninist who took the side of Stalin over Trotsky.

"Yeah, that is why you are pimping Robert O, and saying Marx has flaws. Complete moron."

God you're a retard. Do actually believe what you just typed ? Do you really think that Marx was a flawless (threfore perfect) human being ? You're a fucking idiot if you think it is possible for a human to be flawless.

I meant Marx-ism, more specifically. No one is perfect obviously. Marxism has flaws? I don't see any, other than a few miscalculations about when and where a revolution would occur.

So, you have done nothing but call me an idiot, without reason, thus proving yourself a jackass.

Rastafari

5th August 2003, 04:15

well, I guess you must've missed my shortlived "We are one" thread from a while back, bubba.
I preach unity more than anyone else at this lemonade stand, except when I am pissed at someone else's ferocity towards me, selfish I guess, but thats how everyone is.

Maybe Dark Capitalist and SN are right on one thing. Maybe it is the fate of us leftists to live like dogs argueing over scraps.

oh, and no offense, felicia, I admire your opinions, odd as they are, dearly. But smiley faces have been known to undercut whatever one says.

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 04:22

Are you referring to me?

Rastafari

5th August 2003, 04:28

I think this was more of a plea to the entire posting audience of said thread.
But your invited, too, pal

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 04:30

I was merely taking up for Stalinists. Any notion of banning them is thoroughly absurd.

Rastafari

5th August 2003, 04:38

yeah. my last 10 posts or so have been really stemming from a purely shitty feeling I have
I should have never started that fated thread because I got pissed, and should have sit it out. RAF made me think about things in a new light, which I really appreciated, and I started half-liking him in general. So this posts rears its ugly head and it comes out what a complete asshole I am, seen?

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 04:42

Asshole? Go listen to Bob Marley.

Urban Rubble

5th August 2003, 04:42

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 04:51

Chairman Mao, I don't know why you included ElijahCraig on this list of Stalinists. He has critisized Stalin just like everyone else up until a few days ago when RAF (or someone else, I can't really remember) gave him shit for it. Now he's defending Stalin as if he's been a Stalinist this whole time.

I had conversations about Stalinism with various Stalinists on ISF, it changed my view of the man and his meaning.

Elijah, you try to claim that you said Marxism doesn't have flaws, when in reality you said MARX doesn't have flaws. You can try to say you meant something else if you wish, but just know that you're backpeddeling. Either way, NOTHING in this world is flawless, nothing. Not even Marxism. You are wrong.

I have said Marxism has had minor flaws. Your assertion that I'm backpeddeling is nonsense. It really doesn't matter. Why would I mean "Marx had no flaws" when we are talking about theory? It doesn't make sense. Anymore argument based on this issue is a useless way to argue without point.

How in the fuck do you know whether Che took the side of Stalin or Trotsky ? Seriously ? Where do you get that. I'm pretty sure he never addressed that issue. Like I said, he admired Stalin, that doesn't make him a Stalinist. Show me one example of Che talking about Stalin vs Trotsky.

"I have sworn before a photo of the old and mourned comrade Stalin that I will not rest until I see every one of these capitalist octopuses annihilated." -Che, I think that is the quote, not sure if "photo" or "picture" was used.

There is another quote from Che, about his reading Stalin in times when it was not fashionable, not sure exactly how it goes.

I've never read anything from him on Trotsky, most likely because he thought it idealism, since in his younger days he read Stalin first.

You crack me up. Every post you make shows how new you are to this shit. How old are you ? Not that it should matter, but you seem young. And coming from a 21 year old kid, that means you sound really fucking young.

18. But I've probably read more on this than most. Most on here haven't even read fucking Das Kapital.

Rastafari

5th August 2003, 04:51

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 12:42 AM
Asshole? Go listen to Bob Marley.
what the fuck, dude. A smiley would have been appreciated. You don't make sense on anything, bud

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 04:58

You said you were in a bad mood, I said go listen to bob, it's not meant to be serious. Calming music.

Rastafari

5th August 2003, 05:06

I see...
excuse me while I light my spliff, oh god I got to take a lift.

Exploited Class

5th August 2003, 05:24

Why are we creating class differences in a Communist board?
I think you put a little too much importance into a message board. If you are going to compare a message board with the division of classes in society that has led to social strife and dividing man against man, I think a reality check is somewhat in need. And if a message board does indeed have that much of an impact on your life, might I suggest getting away from the internet and going outside once in a while. A private forum hardly creates for a division of class in people, unless you think in a communist society a plumber can just become a factory worker on Thursdays because he wants to?

Just personally, I dont get the point of a Commie club. It doesn't accomplish anything, what extraordinary debates are taken place within those walls. Everyone preaches equality, and than they exclude what percentage of the other Che members from a , "club". Somehow I remember from reading, Communists separating themselves, is why we lost the Spanish civil war!
Yes because some were allowed into a certain part of a message board and others couldn't is why the Spanish Civil War was lost. I do give you a +10 on drama.

So only admins join it? What is the purpose of the commie club, enlighten me. Is it where you discuss organizing the server?
Well if you don't think administration of membership has any impact on the board, go to www.fark.com and post all you want they don't have administrators. You'll enjoy the openess of that board.
Since administrators' eyes can't be everywhere on the board reading every post, and members of CC are usually the most active, they allow is to know if there is any problem somewhere.

Well isn't it nice to see how many so called "socialist" anti elitist are really just kids looking for a place to whine. Goodness goodness me.

I guess that would be your thread whining about so called "socialist" anti elitist, who is more to fault the whiners or the one that whines about them?

Whatever happened to practise what you preach? The level of respect I have for this board just went way down.
I just talked to the board and it says its feelings are not hurt.

How much more hypocritical can you get. Especially from a bunch of CHILDREN attempting to slag a 20 year member of the party. You kids are so cute it makes me wanna sing.I'm Still waiting for that list monkey. Put up or fuck off shithead.

I would hope that a 20 year old member of the party would be better at articulating one's self and be above petty name calling, but I guess the party doesn't teach character.

It sure sucks being caught in hypocracy doesn't it? I just love this feeling of unity among socialists. I's so proud right now.
I don't have an ego or any pride to hurt so no, it doesn't suck.

Nice retort Comrade Felicia. I woulld have thought better of you. Perhaps I was right in my initial impression of you. Just another silly kiddie commie looking for drama.
I'd think that starting this thread would be plenty of drama.

Do any of you ever try to communicate without imposing a FEAR of being BANNED? What are you all 10
Well only the 5 admins can actually ban somebody, show me where we impose fear of being banned? If you are talking about other members, anybody can PM one of the admins and ask that somebody be banned. I can't stop that any more than I could stop telemarketers from calling me.

then perhaps an admin or even comrade Malte himself should come and explain to me how it is I am wrong for defending my character against the attacks of a childish monkey Felicia
Why should anybody have to defend thier character? There is no rule that one needs to defend one's character. If your feelings are hurt just deal with it like a big kid. Egos, pride and attacks against character generally upsets those that question their own character to begin with. Those comfortable with who they are never need to defend anything. Should you and Felicia go at with revolvers at high noon?

Well we all know I can be a volitile individual ComradeRasta. It's in my nature.
A judge of one's characters should be based on what they overcome, not what they subcome to.

Serves me right for I suppose for following the ideals of marxism for 20 years. I reckon I'm just an old timer that thinks unity means something.
Thinking that with an anonymous message board, yes, yes you are served right.

Knowing the Admin intolerance for this sort of thing, you may not even be around to read it.
Hey AK, how about letting the admins pick their tolerance and not have it dictated or explained the board for us. And as far as I am concerned, the admins are very tolerant for a message board of this size and of this political structure.

I don't think it's okay. I don't like it. Like I said in the Commie Club, it is your business that someone is talking about you in there, and I don't really blame whoever told you for telling you.
I feel the same way CIKI feels about it, but I will go further and please pay attention to the following in particular RAF.
That forum is private and you know it is. Somebody felt you should know what was being said about you. You had an ethical choice on what to do with that information, you chose to publicly print what was said in a private forum in an open forum. It doesn't matter how you feel about having a private forum or not, what matters is how you chose what to do with information that somebody posted in confidence. I have access to a lot of private information about a lot of people on this board, ethics and my character denotes that I will never under any circumstance give up that information publicly or even privately to another person. What if I decided to go through everybody's Private Messages to each other and post them publicly because something was said about me that I didn't like? They were meant to be private but since I have access to it, it isn't is it? It isn't truly private when you get down to it. So do I need to defend myself publicly about something conversed in private? Wouldn't it be bad for me to look in those PMs and break that confidence?

You might not think it important or exactly the same type of situation. But you had access to private information, I have access to private information, you chose to publicly release that information once you had it. What does that say about your character.

It can rail against a message board not sharing your ideas of equality, you can rail against things that are not in your control, but it is the small things, the personal choices one makes daily about small things constantly, those are what reflect directly on that person's character. I would think that somebody calling a lot of people kiddies or 10 year olds on a message board that says he is an adult, should have learned this important lesson in life, if not then I guess it is a bit hypocritical to be doing something that I think children would have learned. Don't publicly announce material somebody made in the confidence of being private.

For somebody that proffeses being an adult.

please excuse my poor typing...I have a phone on one ear and a labtop on my lap I actually conduct business during thr day monkey...I'm an adult.
All your name calling, whining, releasing information intended to be personal, having some kind of ego and character to defend like a high schooler, you sure do act like a child.

And from my above post there about how you chose to act to that information, you don't need to defend your character from any one, your choices speak loudly for your character. You have little left to defend. I think it would be better to allow other to judge your character on your actions and choices rather than in a topic post you made.

IHP

5th August 2003, 07:22

I have been away for a few months, and this is what I return to? What total and utter insignificant garbage.

Wake up all of you. This is my last post. Farewell.

--IHP

Felicia

5th August 2003, 11:36

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 01:15 AM
oh, and no offense, felicia, I admire your opinions, odd as they are, dearly. But smiley faces have been known to undercut whatever one says.
I've been told that...... I use them to show when I'm not being too serious eh :)

IHP,

bye, I guess....

Invader Zim

5th August 2003, 12:45

Hey AK, how about letting the admins pick their tolerance and not have it dictated or explained the board for us. And as far as I am concerned, the admins are very tolerant for a message board of this size and of this political structure.

Yes I agree with you, completely, the Admin team on this site is extremely tolerant on many, many issues, however just not on information Leakage from the CC, I have seen their reactions to it before.

I was speaking from past experience, where a similar thing happened... several admins were not happy, on that occasion, why should they be more so now?

Quote from an Admin: -

"It's TOTALLY out of line to reveal votes from CC here while it's going on, what in the world is the point of a closed forum then??"

In a slightly different circumstance, but you get the Idea when I say intolerant of this sort of thing, not general attitude.

There is also another quote from another Admin, however it is in the CC... so I am not going to post it out here.

Though of course you are quite right, they may well have completely different opinions now, regarding this sort matter, and I apologise.

Urban Rubble

5th August 2003, 14:57

" had conversations about Stalinism with various Stalinists on ISF, it changed my view of the man and his meaning"

That's my point. You changed your whole view of him in like 3 days. You're very easily manipulated.

"Why would I mean "Marx had no flaws" when we are talking about theory?"

Because that's what you said, twice.

""I have sworn before a photo of the old and mourned comrade Stalin that I will not rest until I see every one of these capitalist octopuses annihilated." -Che, I think that is the quote, not sure if "photo" or "picture" was used."

As I said, admiring Stalin does not make someone a Stalinist. Please don't make me repeat myself again.

"I've never read anything from him on Trotsky, most likely because he thought it idealism, since in his younger days he read Stalin first."

If you've never heard Che say anything about it, then why would you say that Che picked Stalin in the Stalin vs Trotsky thing ?

None of this matters. I just find it highly amusing that you change your whole stance on Joseph Stalin in a span of a couple days.

Saint-Just

5th August 2003, 15:02

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 5 2003, 04:42 AM
Chairman Mao, I don't know why you included ElijahCraig on this list of Stalinists. He has critisized Stalin just like everyone else up until a few days ago when RAF (or someone else, I can't really remember) gave him shit for it. Now he's defending Stalin as if he's been a Stalinist this whole time.

How in the fuck do you know whether Che took the side of Stalin or Trotsky ? Seriously ? Where do you get that. I'm pretty sure he never addressed that issue. Like I said, he admired Stalin, that doesn't make him a Stalinist. Show me one example of Che talking about Stalin vs Trotsky.

You crack me up. Every post you make shows how new you are to this shit. How old are you ? Not that it should matter, but you seem young. And coming from a 21 year old kid, that means you sound really fucking young.
It was more than a few days ago. The principal point is that he has reviewed Stalinism and found it to be progressive. I don't think he would disagree in saying that despite being intelligent he was very much ignorant of various important aspects of socialist theory and history particularly in pertaining to Stalin and the USSR. Yet, he was open-minded such that he was able to progress and alter his view based on those arguments and other texts and facts he has now begun to look at.

It is not certain he will retain his opinions, but I believe he will and for now he is a 'Stalinist'.

'I'm pretty sure he never addressed that issue'

You are largely correct; Che was not much of a theoretician. If you read his most important works they are more to do with practical concepts. One thing is for sure he did greatly admire Stalin, look at the signature of the user 'ernestolynch' where Che emphatically swears on a picture of Stalin to destroy capitalism. Trotskyists have always opposed Castroism. Indeed, there were Trotskyists in Cuba, and Che did denounce them, but not greatly. Rather his overall opinion of Trotskyism was that he was not concerned with it since his revolution had been fought on different ideals and the way Castro would take Cuba was the best way for the Cuban people.

Che did side with the Chinese in the sino-soviet despute, hardly Trotskyist, very much and anti-revisionist pro-Stalin view of things as Mao had.

Invader Zim

5th August 2003, 15:33

Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Aug 5 2003, 03:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Aug 5 2003, 03:02 PM)
Urban [email protected] 5 2003, 04:42 AM
Chairman Mao, I don't know why you included ElijahCraig on this list of Stalinists. He has critisized Stalin just like everyone else up until a few days ago when RAF (or someone else, I can't really remember) gave him shit for it. Now he's defending Stalin as if he's been a Stalinist this whole time.

How in the fuck do you know whether Che took the side of Stalin or Trotsky ? Seriously ? Where do you get that. I'm pretty sure he never addressed that issue. Like I said, he admired Stalin, that doesn't make him a Stalinist. Show me one example of Che talking about Stalin vs Trotsky.

You crack me up. Every post you make shows how new you are to this shit. How old are you ? Not that it should matter, but you seem young. And coming from a 21 year old kid, that means you sound really fucking young.
It was more than a few days ago. The principal point is that he has reviewed Stalinism and found it to be progressive. I don't think he would disagree in saying that despite being intelligent he was very much ignorant of various important aspects of socialist theory and history particularly in pertaining to Stalin and the USSR. Yet, he was open-minded such that he was able to progress and alter his view based on those arguments and other texts and facts he has now begun to look at.

It is not certain he will retain his opinions, but I believe he will and for now he is a 'Stalinist'.

'I'm pretty sure he never addressed that issue'

You are largely correct; Che was not much of a theoretician. If you read his most important works they are more to do with practical concepts. One thing is for sure he did greatly admire Stalin, look at the signature of the user 'ernestolynch' where Che emphatically swears on a picture of Stalin to destroy capitalism. Trotskyists have always opposed Castroism. Indeed, there were Trotskyists in Cuba, and Che did denounce them, but not greatly. Rather his overall opinion of Trotskyism was that he was not concerned with it since his revolution had been fought on different ideals and the way Castro would take Cuba was the best way for the Cuban people.

Che did side with the Chinese in the sino-soviet despute, hardly Trotskyist, very much and anti-revisionist pro-Stalin view of things as Mao had. [/b]
CM how much time and research did you put into learning about the real Mao before you seriously began to consider making his ideology your own?

I am sure you considered your self a leftist long before then, yet I would Imagine months if not years of reading up on left wing politics and "Maoism" before you seriously began to consider your self a Marxist Leninist. I believe this to be the case because you are so well versed in the theory and history of Mao and Marx. So am I right in saying that you did not make a major ideological decision in the space of a few days discussion with a already convinced Marxist Leninist. Surely you see my concern at the obvious gullible nature of elijahcraig. If this being the case, then any relatively convincing argument is likely to change his mind.

Rastafari

5th August 2003, 17:16

well, I don't know what an apology will do at this point, but I'm sorry for creating this dischord. In a way, though, it sort of shows me where people stand

Saint-Just

5th August 2003, 17:20

You are correct that for me personally I read a lot of left-wing books including Marx and Lenin before I considered myself a Marxist-Leninist. I was very much on the hard left sometime before I became a Marxist-Leninist, I used to believe that people such as Mao and Che Guevara had great ideas but I believed them to be cruel killers as much as anything else they were and so I could not call myself a communist. I believed communism was impractical also. I used to think I was a leftist but not with any strong views, just an analytical outloook. I classical political views from all over the political spectrum and theories and studies on history, philosophy, sociology before reading Marx and Lenin.

The lives of Che Guevara and Mao Zedong inspired me to read up on Marxism-Leninism, but I can't really define any clear point as to when I became a Marxist-Leninist, I drifted further and further into it I think.

I do not know elijahcraig well enough to judge him. But, he has read Marx and Lenin prior to changing his position on Stalin. Its not as though he suddenly became a Marxist-Leninist, he simply changed his position on Stalin. Also, he does not dislike Trotsky greatly.

It does not really matter, it depends how long he stays a Marxist-Leninist of the Stalin, Mao etc. pursuasion. Elijah made an anti-DPRK stand, but in the end I think it altered after I think he realised that he had been led to believe things based on little actual thinking. Again, on this subject he was rather ignorant. When someone such as yourself, AK47, or indeed redstar2000 make an argument against the DPRK it is rather more substantiated and reasonable than elijah's. I would suggest that he was basically largely ignorant, not that he has changed his views so much as developed a much more knowledgable perception and beliefs that were based on poor foundations have disappeared to some extent.

This is the only way I can work it out, I don't know elijahcraig that well or his views, and I doubt he will appreciate being called ignorant. It is perhaps too stronger word, but I think he may be able to relate to what I am saying to some extent even if I am not saying it as politely and accurately as it should be.

Also, elijah, look on ISF in death match for some replies to your posts.

Saint-Just

5th August 2003, 17:57

leninist/stalinists in CC who would be willing to uphold your cause – Victorcommie

nateddi – left because of ‘purging of Stalinists’
che guevara – Banned for anti-semitism
ernesto lynch
joseph stalin – left quite quickly
ymir – restricted for anti-semitism
elijahcraig
chairman mao
cassius clay
comrade junichi – stopped posting so much because of obscene comments
comrade raf
thursday night
mazdak – banned because he attempted to create commotion over ‘purging’
soviet
el brujo
hs the whap – seems to have left, also left ISF
comrade marcel

Like RAF I am not at all concerned about Stalinists having any kind of power or representation in the commie club.

So who out of the users I listed (all the Stalinists/M-L I can think of) had or have access to the commie club? I can think of 3, any others?

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 18:23

" had conversations about Stalinism with various Stalinists on ISF, it changed my view of the man and his meaning"

That's my point. You changed your whole view of him in like 3 days. You're very easily manipulated.

I'd rather not be judged by a person who just admitted a few days ago that he knew hardly nothing of communism.

"Why would I mean "Marx had no flaws" when we are talking about theory?"

Because that's what you said, twice.

Alright, this is just stupid. You can take it how I meant it or how it was interpreted by you.

""I have sworn before a photo of the old and mourned comrade Stalin that I will not rest until I see every one of these capitalist octopuses annihilated." -Che, I think that is the quote, not sure if "photo" or "picture" was used."

As I said, admiring Stalin does not make someone a Stalinist. Please don't make me repeat myself again.

The term Stalinist means you support Stalin in his carrying on of Marxism-Leninism to the USSR, there is no significant change in theory which needs the name "Stalinist" to be attached.

"I've never read anything from him on Trotsky, most likely because he thought it idealism, since in his younger days he read Stalin first."

If you've never heard Che say anything about it, then why would you say that Che picked Stalin in the Stalin vs Trotsky thing ?

I have never heard him say anything about Trotsky, I believe he chose Stalin as the obvious choice, as most in the third world do. He was also a Maoist, which means you support Stalin.

None of this matters. I just find it highly amusing that you change your whole stance on Joseph Stalin in a span of a couple days.

Once again, I am so glad a know-nothing fool has judged me. Are you following me around? :lol:

It was more than a few days ago. The principal point is that he has reviewed Stalinism and found it to be progressive. I don't think he would disagree in saying that despite being intelligent he was very much ignorant of various important aspects of socialist theory and history particularly in pertaining to Stalin and the USSR. Yet, he was open-minded such that he was able to progress and alter his view based on those arguments and other texts and facts he has now begun to look at.

I agree with that. I'd say I had looked at it from one-side, and no other.

It is not certain he will retain his opinions, but I believe he will and for now he is a 'Stalinist'.

I am fairly sure that my support of Stalin will not change.

'I'm pretty sure he never addressed that issue'
You are largely correct; Che was not much of a theoretician. If you read his most important works they are more to do with practical concepts. One thing is for sure he did greatly admire Stalin, look at the signature of the user 'ernestolynch' where Che emphatically swears on a picture of Stalin to destroy capitalism. Trotskyists have always opposed Castroism. Indeed, there were Trotskyists in Cuba, and Che did denounce them, but not greatly. Rather his overall opinion of Trotskyism was that he was not concerned with it since his revolution had been fought on different ideals and the way Castro would take Cuba was the best way for the Cuban people.

I agree.

It does not really matter, it depends how long he stays a Marxist-Leninist of the Stalin, Mao etc. pursuasion. Elijah made an anti-DPRK stand, but in the end I think it altered after I think he realised that he had been led to believe things based on little actual thinking. Again, on this subject he was rather ignorant. When someone such as yourself, AK47, or indeed redstar2000 make an argument against the DPRK it is rather more substantiated and reasonable than elijah's. I would suggest that he was basically largely ignorant, not that he has changed his views so much as developed a much more knowledgable perception and beliefs that were based on poor foundations have disappeared to some extent.

You have changed my views on the DPRK. AK47 is a fool.

Also, elijah, look on ISF in death match for some replies to your posts.

Yes, I will. :D

Felicia

5th August 2003, 18:31

I used to think that Stalin was hot..... does that make me a stalinist?

[/sarcasm] :lol:

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 18:39

I think Stalin's hot. I don't think that makes us Stalinists. :(

Invader Zim

5th August 2003, 19:19

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 06:23 PM

You have changed my views on the DPRK. AK47 is a fool.

A fool I may, but compared to you, mate, I a fuckin genius.

But on the Subject of North DPRK, I have never made an argument against them or there government, as it has never interested me. As such I do not make a case in support or attack of the DPRK, because I have not researched it. I have only ever remarked, at fealing it unwise to start a nuclear weapons program.

You elijahcraig could do with learning just the basic socialist theories considering the theoretical beating you have received from something like 4 members, in as many days.

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 19:24

A fool I may, but compared to you, mate, I a fuckin genius.

Well you certainly proved it with that grammer job there. :lol:

You elijahcraig could do with learning just the basic socialist theories considering the theoretical beating you have received from something like 4 members, in as many days.

Really?

I have received no "beating". Urban Rubble and yourself have made slanderous attacks on me, nothing else. You are both fools, pathetic utopianists; nothing you say matters to any real Marxist-Leninist. I'd advise you to go read some Marx, and put down Robert.

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 19:26

And for a monkey who is assraped on a regular basis to talk about giving people "beatings"...it just makes me laugh. :lol:

Cassius Clay

5th August 2003, 19:41

Chairman Mao I cant post and never have been able to post in the Commie Club. Infact I've never asked. If the moderators wish to set up a elitist and rather stupid in the sense that it has caused numerous rows and disputes club then there welcome to. It personally reminds me of every bourgesie 'democracy' there's ever been. Like I said it doesnt bother me, but if any would like to grass some people in to me then dont hesitate. :D

On Che, he wasn't so much just a admirer of Stalin in words but in action to. Like most 'Stalinists' he was very criticial of Khrushev and the way in which he was making nations mere colonies of the USSR. In Albania Khrushev refused to send any grain unless Hoxha and co bowed to Khruschev and allow Albania to become a outpost for the Soviet Navy aswell as isolating China. Eventually Khrushev promised 75,000 tons, but only gave 25,000. This was in stark contrast to the USSR when it was Socialist, grain was sent to both Czechslovakia and Albania without questions. In Cuba Che regonised that Khrushcev was only giving machines which were rubbish aswell as wanting Cuba to remain a sugar dependent nation, only this time relying on Imperialism from the USSR. Che was for heavy industrialisation, because he refused to bow to the Soviet line he and Castro fell out. I think Che was proved right and Castro wrong. Che also criticsed the Cultural Revolution which is what alot of 'Stalinists' did.

Sabocat

5th August 2003, 20:03

Originally posted by AK47+Aug 5 2003, 02:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AK47 @ Aug 5 2003, 02:19 PM)
[email protected] 5 2003, 06:23 PM

You have changed my views on the DPRK. AK47 is a fool.

A fool I may, but compared to you, mate, I a fuckin genius.

But on the Subject of North DPRK, I have never made an argument against them or there government, as it has never interested me. As such I do not make a case in support or attack of the DPRK, because I have not researched it. I have only ever remarked, at fealing it unwise to start a nuclear weapons program.

You elijahcraig could do with learning just the basic socialist theories considering the theoretical beating you have received from something like 4 members, in as many days. [/b]
I guess I would ask why the doings of a self proclaimed socialist country wouldn't have interested you. I mean, it's not like there are a lot of socialist countries to study in the world.

I am guessing that you have not made a case in support or attack of the DPRK because you're waiting to see if England jumps on the the U$' invasion bandwagon again, thus freeing you to support an invasion and the troops like in Iraq.

Why is it unwise for the DPRK to start a nuclear weapons program? So it's okay for the U$, UK and every other industrialized nation on the planet to have them, but under constant threat of attack by the U$ it isn't wise for the DPRK to have them? So you're saying a nation has no right to protect itself?

Moskitto

5th August 2003, 20:04

FLAME ALERT

To Cassius Clay, [Insert Flame Here]
To Chairman Mao, [Insert Flame Here]
To AK47, [Insert Flame Here]
To elijahcraig, [Insert Flame Here]
To that [Insert Flame Here] who keeps flaming AK47, [Insert Flame Here]

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 20:23

Urban Rubble

5th August 2003, 20:49

Insert Flame here.

You fucking idiot Elijah. Where did I say I hardly know nothing of communism ? What I said was, compared to some my knowledge is quite basic, however, from reading your posts I am %100 positive that I have read FAR more than you.

You are a trendy, easily manipulated "communist". You hold one opinion, then when someone says it's wrong you very quickly change it. You are a fool and sheep.

Show me exactly where I said I "knew nothing of communism".

Urban Rubble

5th August 2003, 20:51

Also, I wouldn't comment on someones GRAMMAR when you can't even spell the word.

I find it hilarious that you made some off the wall comment about him being "assraped". Aren't you the bi sexual one ?

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 21:00

Here's a quote from your post on "communism and drugs":

I can't even begin to say which one of you is "right" (RAF and RedStar) because I'm at such a juvenile stage of my political beliefs. I'm still learning, but you and RedStar are definately helping me along, even though you do have quite different beliefs. I don't try to disguise my knowledge like alot of kids on this board do, I will straight out admit that I know ALOT less about Marxism than some people on this board. It's funny though, there are kids that know about half of what I do that seem to think they are some kind of enlightened fucking political genius.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that you at least respect RedStar, because there is no denying the man is highly intelligent. There is nothing more amusing than watching you two "go at it", it's fun, and I usually learn a little bit.

That's what I was working from.

Insert Flame here.

You fucking idiot Elijah. Where did I say I hardly know nothing of communism ? What I said was, compared to some my knowledge is quite basic, however, from reading your posts I am %100 positive that I have read FAR more than you.

You are a trendy, easily manipulated "communist". You hold one opinion, then when someone says it's wrong you very quickly change it. You are a fool and sheep.

Show me exactly where I said I "knew nothing of communism".

I am anything but "trendy". We should stop slinging around insults based on nothing but stereotypes.

I have read Capital, Manifesto, State and Revolution, What is to be done, Little Red Book, On Practice, On Contradiction, Imperialism, Rights of Nations to Self-Determination, on the National Question, etc etc etc. Your saying "you are a fool and sheep" is nonsensical. I am anything but that. "You know FAR more than me"? It's just not worthy of a second glance. There is no way of knowing. I have been reading radical theory for the past four years of my life non-stop, I am not uninformed by any measure. Yes, I have looked at the Stalin-Trotsky argument from one-side only, now I have looked at it from both...and realized that Stalin is correct, not Trotsky.

I find it hilarious that you made some off the wall comment about him being "assraped". Aren't you the bi sexual one ?

Being bisexual has nothing to do with being "assraped". Man/woman can both be assraped. I don't consider a man being raped up the ass by another man meaning he's homosexual, just that he has been raped. Your homophobia shines in the sun today jackass.

Bianconero

5th August 2003, 21:05

I have read Capital, Manifesto, State and Revolution, What is to be done, Little Red Book, On Practice, On Contradiction, Imperialism, Rights of Nations to Self-Determination, on the National Question, etc etc etc.

My dad sure is stronger than yours. Ah come one, comrades ...

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 21:11

I have someone calling me a sheep and telling me I know nothing of marxism...I have to show somehow that it is not true. :lol:

Dr. Rosenpenis

5th August 2003, 21:24

please, for the love of the proletariat, stop the flaming, please stop the flaming. Won't you please think of the women and children? Think of the children, comrades. Stop flaming...for the children.

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 21:26

please, for the love of the proletariat, stop the flaming, please stop the flaming. Won't you please think of the women and children? Think of the children, comrades. Stop flaming...for the children.

:lol:

Invader Zim

5th August 2003, 21:52

Originally posted by Disgustapated+Aug 5 2003, 08:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disgustapated @ Aug 5 2003, 08:03 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 02:19 PM

[email protected] 5 2003, 06:23 PM

You have changed my views on the DPRK. AK47 is a fool.

A fool I may, but compared to you, mate, I a fuckin genius.

But on the Subject of North DPRK, I have never made an argument against them or there government, as it has never interested me. As such I do not make a case in support or attack of the DPRK, because I have not researched it. I have only ever remarked, at fealing it unwise to start a nuclear weapons program.

You elijahcraig could do with learning just the basic socialist theories considering the theoretical beating you have received from something like 4 members, in as many days.
I guess I would ask why the doings of a self proclaimed socialist country wouldn't have interested you. I mean, it's not like there are a lot of socialist countries to study in the world.

I am guessing that you have not made a case in support or attack of the DPRK because you're waiting to see if England jumps on the the U$' invasion bandwagon again, thus freeing you to support an invasion and the troops like in Iraq.

Why is it unwise for the DPRK to start a nuclear weapons program? So it's okay for the U$, UK and every other industrialized nation on the planet to have them, but under constant threat of attack by the U$ it isn't wise for the DPRK to have them? So you're saying a nation has no right to protect itself? [/b]
I guess I would ask why the doings of a self proclaimed socialist country wouldn't have interested you.

The important words are self-proclaimed, no true socialist country would ever build WMD. Their only purpose is to kill as many people as possible. I ask you, since when has it been a socialist principal to make weapons, who's only purpose is kill all the countries workers?

Hence the reason why I take very little interest in this "self proclaimed" socialist country, because even if it socialist it is amoral, to attempt to produce such weapons. Such nations hold little interest for me.

I mean, it's not like there are a lot of socialist countries to study in the world.

To be more accurate there are NO socialist countries left in the world.

I am guessing that you have not made a case in support or attack of the DPRK because you're waiting to see if England jumps on the U$' invasion bandwagon again, thus freeing you to support an invasion and the troops like in Iraq.

I am guessing that you are just another person attempting to piss me off, so get this into your head, mate, it's not going to work.

Any way now you raise the issue, I would not support the invasion of the DPRK, simply because I do not want to have to live through a missile crisis, I also don’t want to be living in a nuclear fallout shelter. From what I have heard the DPRK, has not systematically purged 1.5 million people, unlike Saddam Hussein. However the number of times i have pointed this out to people, you included, I am beginning to think that you either suffer amnesia or have selective reading. I will not explain my self to you again, simply because you only deliberately waste my time.

Why is it unwise for the DPRK to start a nuclear weapons program?

Cold war, missile crisis, nuclear war, etc, etc, etc. I would have thought that to be rather obvious, you actually strike me as being quite clever, so why ask such idiotic questions?

So it's okay for the U$, UK and every other industrialized nation on the planet to have them, but under constant threat of attack by the U$ it isn't wise for the DPRK to have them?

When did I say that? I find it rather an amazing ability among some people on this forum to make predictions on what I think, with out hearing my opinion on the matter, you seamed gained this ability. But for your information, it will be a happy day when all such weapons are discarded by all nation, especially the UK. No country has the right to such weapons, no exceptions to this.

Also the DPRK, is unlikely to be attacked by the US, because they have nothing the US wants... Unless they suddenly discover massive oil reserves... It would be uneconomic for the US, so they wont.

So you're saying a nation has no right to protect itself?

No a nation has a right to defend its self, just not with WMD. Just as no nation has the right to threaten another nation with WMD.

I hope that I will not need to explain this to you on another occasion.

Bianconero

5th August 2003, 22:00

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 09:26 PM

please, for the love of the proletariat, stop the flaming, please stop the flaming. Won't you please think of the women and children? Think of the children, comrades. Stop flaming...for the children.

:lol:
Yeah, ' :lol: ' all the way.

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 22:01

To be more accurate there are NO socialist countries left in the world.

Spoken like a true Utopianist fool.

Cassius Clay

5th August 2003, 22:01

Actually AK the DPRK has plenty of oil. I'll try and find a source for this but I'm sure others will support this.

Felicia

5th August 2003, 22:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 03:39 PM
I think Stalin's hot. I don't think that makes us Stalinists. :(
*snaps fingers*

oh darn ^_^

Vinny Rafarino

5th August 2003, 22:18

would hope that a 20 year old member of the party would be better at articulating one's self and be above petty name calling, but I guess the party doesn't teach character.
.

You misread my statement exploited class. I wish I were 20 again.

I don't have an ego or any pride to hurt so no, it doesn't suck.

Impossible exploited class. Utterly impossible.

Well only the 5 admins can actually ban somebody, show me where we impose fear of being banned? If you are talking about other members, anybody can PM one of the admins and ask that somebody be banned. I can't stop that any more than I could stop telemarketers from calling me.

Read this thread.

Why should anybody have to defend thier character? There is no rule that one needs to defend one's character. If your feelings are hurt just deal with it like a big kid. Egos, pride and attacks against character generally upsets those that question their own character to begin with. Those comfortable with who they are never need to defend anything. Should you and Felicia go at with revolvers at high noon?

Perhaps I'm not from the same country as you. Pehaps I hold different values than you. Perhaps defending my character is of the utmost imprtance to me. Who are you to say I am wrong? Hmm. I find your views on psychology to be rather unique. As would the majority if not all the of psychologists I know. Perhaps you can show me how you came to conclude that human ego, pride and attacks of character generally upset those that question their own character. I think now perhaps you may be attemting to assert a "mature" demeaner over me as you have misread one of my posts and think me to be 20 years of age. Well unfortunately I made several good friends in under-grad and graduate school that have since become very successful psycholgist and psychiatrists. I even roomed with one of them for 2 years.

A judge of one's characters should be based on what they overcome, not what they subcome to.

I don't think you have enough time to sit and listen for all of the hours it would take to hear all that I hav "overcome".

Thinking that with an anonymous message board, yes, yes you are served right.

I suppose you are not aware of why I'm here then. That's fine exploited class. It would be in a admin's best interest to defend their board regardless of the issue. I have not taken any offense to anything you have quipped hitherto. I understand your hands are tied..

All your name calling, whining, releasing information intended to be personal, having some kind of ego and character to defend like a high schooler, you sure do act like a child.

And from my above post there about how you chose to act to that information, you don't need to defend your character from any one, your choices speak loudly for your character. You have little left to defend. I think it would be better to allow other to judge your character on your actions and choices rather than in a topic post you made

Ironic how you have now been leveled right there with me. I will be sure to bring up your "unique" views on the human ego, character, and different social constructs that vary with the environment and social traditions of the individual with my mates. I'm sure they will get a kick out of them. Good try at attempting to be superior to me though exploited class. A definite "A " for effort.

Bianconero

5th August 2003, 22:22

I'd say the U.S. would simply invade the DPRK because they appear to be a country opposed to imperialism, a communist country; i.e. the worst enemy an imperialist power can have.

Urban Rubble

5th August 2003, 22:33

ElijahCraig. So by me saying that I am at a juvenile stage in my education on Communism, you took that to mean I don't know anything. Nice, way to mis-read my comments. By juvenile stage I meant this, people like RAF and RedStar have been in the party for decades. I have only been reading on this type of thing for about 3 or 4 years (as have you). That is what I meant by juvenile. You're trying to make it look like I am an idiot who knows nothing, I assure you that is not true.

I shouldn't have said I know more than you, that was a dumb comment, I have no way of knowing that. I based that comment on the fact that your posts read like someone who has been into this type of thing for a few months. You also seem to change stances very quickly, like as soon as someone with more knowledge tells you to.

"Yes, I have looked at the Stalin-Trotsky argument from one-side only, now I have looked at it from both...and realized that Stalin is correct, not Trotsky"

I hope you can understand that being a Stalinist means ALOT more than just thinking that Stalin was right in the Stalin vs Trotsky debate. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that has hardly anything to do with it.

"Being bisexual has nothing to do with being "assraped". Man/woman can both be assraped. I don't consider a man being raped up the ass by another man meaning he's homosexual, just that he has been raped. Your homophobia shines in the sun today jackass."

HA ! I fucking love it when people are so damn quick to call another person homophobic. It really makes me laugh. You used "assraped" as an insult, a common thing homophobic people do. That is the reason I made the comment, I thought it was odd someone who is bi-sexual would make such a homophobic sounding remark. Go ahead though, if it makes you feel all cool and oppressed, call me homophobic. Dumbass.

Anyway, I have to go back to work, I'll comment more later. I shouldn't have said I know more than you, I apologize.

Vinny Rafarino

5th August 2003, 22:38

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 08:04 PM
FLAME ALERT

To Cassius Clay, [Insert Flame Here]
To Chairman Mao, [Insert Flame Here]
To AK47, [Insert Flame Here]
To elijahcraig, [Insert Flame Here]
To that [Insert Flame Here] who keeps flaming AK47, [Insert Flame Here]
I certainly hope the last one is about me. I just love when children get all pissy at me.

elijahcraig

5th August 2003, 22:40

ElijahCraig. So by me saying that I am at a juvenile stage in my education on Communism, you took that to mean I don't know anything. Nice, way to mis-read my comments. By juvenile stage I meant this, people like RAF and RedStar have been in the party for decades. I have only been reading on this type of thing for about 3 or 4 years (as have you). That is what I meant by juvenile. You're trying to make it look like I am an idiot who knows nothing, I assure you that is not true.

And you tried to make ME look like "an idiot who knows nothing" first. I was merely making a retort.

I shouldn't have said I know more than you, that was a dumb comment, I have no way of knowing that. I based that comment on the fact that your posts read like someone who has been into this type of thing for a few months. You also seem to change stances very quickly, like as soon as someone with more knowledge tells you to.

Let's stop this then.

"Yes, I have looked at the Stalin-Trotsky argument from one-side only, now I have looked at it from both...and realized that Stalin is correct, not Trotsky"

I hope you can understand that being a Stalinist means ALOT more than just thinking that Stalin was right in the Stalin vs Trotsky debate. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that has hardly anything to do with it.

Really? Well, now you're lost.

"Being bisexual has nothing to do with being "assraped". Man/woman can both be assraped. I don't consider a man being raped up the ass by another man meaning he's homosexual, just that he has been raped. Your homophobia shines in the sun today jackass."

HA ! I fucking love it when people are so damn quick to call another person homophobic. It really makes me laugh. You used "assraped" as an insult, a common thing homophobic people do. That is the reason I made the comment, I thought it was odd someone who is bi-sexual would make such a homophobic sounding remark. Go ahead though, if it makes you feel all cool and oppressed, call me homophobic. Dumbass.

"all cool and oppressed"...now that's a new step for the moron.

Anyway, I have to go back to work, I'll comment more later. I shouldn't have said I know more than you, I apologize.

I apologize as well, we need to stop the flame.

Moskitto

5th August 2003, 22:43

YOU SUCK

Hampton

5th August 2003, 22:52

http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/threadChristmakeitstop.gif

Please?

Urban Rubble

5th August 2003, 23:55

O.K, fuck it, I'm over it. I'll save my words for Elijah till another time.

Originaly I just wanted to defend RAF, but Elijah pissed me off. Just don't ever fucking call me homophobic, that was a completely baseless insult.

elijahcraig

6th August 2003, 00:10

"Well lied lion!"

-Nietzsche

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Urban Rubble

6th August 2003, 00:16

Hey Elijah, I know I said I'd let this die, and I will after this. I just wanted to show everyone how quickly easily you are manipulated.

These quotes are from 8 DAYS AGO. About a week.

"What do you say about the mass graves? About the personal family history I and many I know have to Russia under Stalin and his brutal rule? The West would've had to bribe millions into telling lies about Stalin. "

"RAF, have you ever known anyone who lived under Stalin? You sound like a revisionist nazi denying the holocaust. What sort of "facts" will you accept? Anything I would present you denounce as "western propaganda"! It's useless, you won't admit defeat even when most and history are against you...but then again, a true revisionist historian, just like Stalin. "

"I DO know that Stalin had people sent to forced labor camps, very much like the Nazi concentration camps. "

Now, I could go on and listing more, but I won't. You have done a COMPLETE 180 on this VERY major subject in the course of less than a week. You are a easily manipulated SHEEP with NO mind of your own.

Here's to a life of blind support for ANYTHING someone tells you to.

elijahcraig

6th August 2003, 00:21

Ooooooo, look^^^ he "proved" that I was a sheep.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dr. Rosenpenis

6th August 2003, 00:32

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 06:21 PM
Ooooooo, look^^^ he "proved" that I was a sheep.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
yes he did, and I hope someday in the near future you will rethink your ideas and see that your authroitarian support-the-anti-capitalists-at-any-cause-even-if-they-are-corrupt-and-oligarchal ideology is foolish and outdated. I appreciate the part of supporting anti-capitalism, but you simply don't seem to see the oppression brought forth by leninism upon, not only the capitalist class, but upon the masses as well.

Invader Zim

6th August 2003, 00:33

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 10:01 PM

To be more accurate there are NO socialist countries left in the world.

Spoken like a true Utopianist fool.
Alright I will try and be tolerant with you, because popular demand calls for the end of this flame fest.

Out of the remaining "self proclaimed socialist" countries, none of them are truly socialist, with the possible exception of Cuba. China is about as socialist as the USA, and I very much doubt anybody on this board would disagree with me.

Many people on this site have a very low opinion on the DPRK, from what little I have bothered reading about it on this site. However the real reason I don’t consider them to be socialist is because of the nuclear issue.

Cuba however is very interesting situation. They have many socialist policies in government, and certainly the rural areas are far less eroded by capitalism than the urban area's. It is however a shame that undoubtedly in the cities such as Havana, capitalism has reared its ugly head, the whole town is a area for tourists. It has a world famous night life to prove this, but rather than the Cuban people enjoying this, it is for the American and European tourists, as are the prostitutes that plague its streets. Not the land of socialism... I have not been there, however I have spoken to peaple who have, and this is there description and I choose to believe them.

Eroded by capitalism if a fair description for all the remaining countries that claim to be socialist. There are a great many threads floating around which say more or less the same thing.

Urban Rubble

6th August 2003, 00:36

"Ooooooo, look^^^ he "proved" that I was a sheep."

Ya, I did.

How about you try to refute the point instead of typing one sarcastic sentence and posting a bunch of smiley faces.

I find it endlessly funny that you could be manipulated so easily, and within the span of one week.

I'm not trying to make you look bad because you are now a "stalinist" (acutally, because you claim to be, it's quite apparent you have no clue what you're talking about). I'm friends with RAF and he's the most hardcore Stalinist I know. I'm sort of in the middle in regards to Stalin. I think he did a great deal of good and a great deal of evil. The point is, there is no possible way that you have done THAT much research in the span of a week. Maybe some, but not enough to change your stance completely. You're hilarious.

Maybe next week I'll try to convince you that Hitler was a loving, caring man who only wanted to give the Jews a shower when he sent them to the chambers.

elijahcraig

6th August 2003, 00:37

Yes he did, and I hope someday in the near future you will rethink your ideas and see that your authroitarian support-the-anti-capitalists-at-any-cause-even-if-they-are-corrupt-and-oligarchal ideology is foolish and outdated. I appreciate the part of supporting anti-capitalism, but you simply don't seem to see the oppression brought forth by leninism upon, not only the capitalist class, but upon the masses as well.

That is your opinion, nothing more. I don't agree obviously.

Alright I will try and be tolerant with you, because popular demand calls for the end of this flame fest.

Here here.

Out of the remaining "self proclaimed socialist" countries, none of them are truly socialist, with the possible exception of Cuba. China is about as socialist as the USA, and I very much doubt anybody on this board would disagree with me.

I don't disagree that China is capitalist.

Many people on this site have a very low opinion on the DPRK, from what little I have bothered reading about it on this site. However the real reason I don’t consider them to be socialist is because of the nuclear issue.

I have a mixed-feeling on the DPRK. I don't think the nuclear issue has anything to do with it though.

Cuba however is very interesting situation. They have many socialist policies in government, and certainly the rural areas are far less eroded by capitalism than the urban area's. It is however a shame that undoubtedly in the cities such as Havana, capitalism has reared its ugly head, the whole town is a area for tourists. It has a world famous night life to prove this, but rather than the Cuban people enjoying this, it is for the American and European tourists, as are the prostitutes that plague its streets. Not the land of socialism... I have not been there, however I have spoken to peaple who have, and this is there description and I choose to believe them.

I agree Cuba has many problems, but it is utopian to just say "oh well, not socialist". The transition from capitalism to socialism is slow, and it is VERY slow because of Cuba's situation.

Eroded by capitalism if a fair description for all the remaining countries that claim to be socialist. There are a great many threads floating around which say more or less the same thing.

I would say Cuba is socialist, but with problems. DPRK is a degenerated workers' state.

elijahcraig

6th August 2003, 00:41

Ya, I did.

Sorry, you did not.

How about you try to refute the point instead of typing one sarcastic sentence and posting a bunch of smiley faces.

Refute what? I never said I changed from being a supporter of Trotsky to being a supporter of Stalin.

I find it endlessly funny that you could be manipulated so easily, and within the span of one week.

Not true. I have changed many people into communists, despite their best claims to stop me.

I'm not trying to make you look bad because you are now a "stalinist" (acutally, because you claim to be, it's quite apparent you have no clue what you're talking about). I'm friends with RAF and he's the most hardcore Stalinist I know. I'm sort of in the middle in regards to Stalin. I think he did a great deal of good and a great deal of evil. The point is, there is no possible way that you have done THAT much research in the span of a week. Maybe some, but not enough to change your stance completely. You're hilarious.

Actually, RAF linked me to an archive of his writings, I read the majority of them, and saw that the lies of "nationalism" were just that: lies.

Maybe next week I'll try to convince you that Hitler was a loving, caring man who only wanted to give the Jews a shower when he sent them to the chambers.

I have put forth the statement: "Since when is it a crime to kill nazis?" No dice.

Urban Rubble

6th August 2003, 00:42

Anyone who says Cuba is not Socialist has their head lodged firmly up their sphincter.

Sure, maybe not your fucking perfect utopian Socialist state, but it IS socialism. I suppose you think it's childs play to run a Socialist government when the rest of the Western World wants to destroy you.

Urban Rubble

6th August 2003, 00:46

Elijah, your post did NOTHING to help you.

Here is the bottom line: In the span of ONE WEEK you went from being as Anti Stalin as you can be, more anti Stalin than most people on this board, to being %100 supportive of him.

I don't care if you didn't sleep once that whole week and all you did was read, that still is not enough time to make such a major decision. How can you not see that ? You've had a COMPLETE ideology change in 7 DAYS !! Do you not see how utterly fucking ridiculous that is ?

elijahcraig

6th August 2003, 00:50

Ideology change? No, I was a Marxist-Leninist before, and "after".

I also do not support Stalin 100%. I just don't view him as the "evil dictator" anymore. I was never a Trotsky 100% supporter either.

You are a character assassin. And that's just pathetic. You don't know me, so I would appreciate the "sheep" comments to stop. I am nothing of the kind. I am the most radical person I know.

Invader Zim

6th August 2003, 01:03

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 6 2003, 12:42 AM
Anyone who says Cuba is not Socialist has their head lodged firmly up their sphincter.

Sure, maybe not your fucking perfect utopian Socialist state, but it IS socialism. I suppose you think it's childs play to run a Socialist government when the rest of the Western World wants to destroy you.
Ahh come on I said nothing conclusive, If you look at what I actually said you can see this: -

Out of the remaining "self proclaimed socialist" countries, none of them are truly socialist, with the possible exception of Cuba.

You see I said that Cuba was a possible exception, that is because I am not fully decided.

They have many socialist policies in government, and certainly the rural areas are far less eroded by capitalism than the urban area's.

I would have though that was quite plain?

As for my comments on Havana do you care to show me the real situation? As I am undecided, I am open to any input and opinion on Cuba. But like I said, if that stuff on Havana is true it is hardly a great land of socialism.

Sure, maybe not your fucking perfect utopian Socialist state

You got that damn right! :D

I suppose you think it's childs play to run a Socialist government when the rest of the Western World wants to destroy you.

No I would Imagine it is very hard, hence the reason why it is being eroded by capitalism.

Rastafari

6th August 2003, 01:19

lets see who keeps dragging this out after it was supposed to be over...

Urban Rubble

6th August 2003, 01:25

Sorry Ak, I wasn't really trying to come at you. I as just speaking to Cuba bashers in general, not to say you were bashing Cuba. To be honest, I didn't eve read your post, I was just responding to Elijah's post, where he responded to your post. It sounded like he was agruing with someone who was bashing Cuba.

Sorry, that was confusing. What I mean to say is I wasn't trying to be harsh toward you, or really address you. I also apologize for this totally confusing post.

Anyway, all the points about Cuba you made are mostly true, but alot of that has to do with aggression towards them and also (maybe even moreso) the collapse of the Soviet Union. I have also spoken to alot of people who have been there before and after the Union collapsed and I can tell you, it was MUCH better before (obviously). Now, some people will say "Well that's because they were too dependent on the Soviet Union", but what they fail to realize is, the U.S FORCED them into that. By cutting Cuba off, and persuading other nations to do the same, they forced Cuba to be damn near fully depenent on the Union. And that is why you see the kinds of problems you mentioned, because without a "friend" like they had, they have to find alot more ways to make some income. I highly doubt Fidel wanted to legalize the dollar, but he had to. They are having to make alot of sacrifices (The Special Period I think they call it).

Elijah, I'm so fucking bored of you. You don't view Stalin as an evil dictator, great, I don't care, that's not the point. The point is, you were VERY Anti-Stalin ( as you can see from your quotes that were posted a week ago) and now you are Pro-Stalin. That's fine, but you can't make that kind of a switch in the span of a week. That is all I'm saying. No character assassination about it, that is not enough time to make such a drastic switch. I can see if you had been leaning toward it for a while, then in the span of a week you made up your mind, but fuck man, a week ago you were comparing him to HITLER. FUCKING HITLER. And now you are "all up on his nizuts".

Fuck off, I'm not trying to make you cry, I'm pointing out simple facts that everyone but you understands.