guns...or weapons

[commieboy]

now Rueben before you try and move this to Chit Chat....Guns have one of the largest roles in history and politics. so i think it belongs in here...plus..no one would read it in chit chat anyway.

Okay the title explains it all, now no one make up shit to impress the board...because we'll know you're lying...pictures would be good too. you are limited to one dream gun though.

I guess i'll start

1. 1922 Mosin nagant 91/30 7.62X54mm Russian made
2. 1942 Mosin Nagant 91/30 also russian made
3. Russian SKS carbine in 7.62X39mm
4. Yugoslavian M59 SKS
5. 1942 Austrialian MK. III SMLE
6. 8mm Turkish Mauser
7. 12 guage Remington express gun..
*Dream gun*
original Russian AK-47

I've shared....now its your turn

[Invader Zim]

Jesus you are a gun nut... I think that private ownership of guns should be banned, and only shooting clubs should be able to own Guns...

However I have Fired: -

L98 (like a single shot SA80)
SA80... Only once
Lee Enfield .22 number 8 rifle.
AK47... only once.

[commieboy]

hey...its a hobby not an obsession, but you'd be suprised that all of those rifles were under five hundred dollars.

Plus..i do belong to a gun club, and i think they are a good way to keep kids out of the house. ANd their mouths outa bongs.

[elijahcraig]

I don't have any guns.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

how is the revolution supposed to take place with no guns, AK. I fully support gun control, so that when the revolution comes, we'll be the only ones armed. hehe :D
but seriously, we're gonna need weapons.

[bluerev002]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 06:10 PM
Plus..i do belong to a gun club
Which gun club? <_<

[commieboy]

The Detroit Sportsmans Congress

www.d-s-c.org

[Danton]

I prefer knives and stabbing weapons...

[Sabocat]

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/f...035&type_id=012 (http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=001B&cat_id=035&type_id=012)




In .30-06 w/the BOSS muzzle break, accuracy enhancement

[commieboy]

very nice rifle Disgustapated, i&#39;ve never shot a browning, do you use it for hunting or target?


and Danton, its cool to have knives i collect them too, tell us what kind of knives or shanks you&#39;ve got.

[Moskitto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 02:10 AM
hey...its a hobby not an obsession, but you&#39;d be suprised that all of those rifles were under five hundred dollars.

Plus..i do belong to a gun club, and i think they are a good way to keep kids out of the house. ANd their mouths outa bongs.
I&#39;d rather ban private ownership of ammunition than private ownership of guns, this means people can have guns as ornaments, but not fire them.

one of AK47s history teachers used to sell guns in the US, he said you could buy surplus WW1 rifles which put a 3 inch hole into someone of &#036;10.

[Just Joe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 02:05 AM
Jesus you are a gun nut... I think that private ownership of guns should be banned
Nice to see your hate of freedom is as much as your hate for international law and equality amongst nations.

[Moskitto]

Originally posted by Just Joe+Aug 4 2003, 04:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Just Joe @ Aug 4 2003, 04:45 PM)
[email protected] 4 2003, 02:05 AM
Jesus you are a gun nut... I think that private ownership of guns should be banned
Nice to see your hate of freedom is as much as your hate for international law and equality amongst nations. [/b]
Freedom means something different in every country, in general people in Britain would rather see guns made illegal, however in America the thought is absolutely repulsive, even after school deaths. In Germany people are insensed when they hear people talk about "speed limits" no matter how many road deaths they have. In France ID cards are commonplace, an accepted part of life and a bloody useful and certified way to prove who you are, however in Britain the ID card spells fear, terror and comparisons with 1984. In Zimbabwe it is a violation to the rights of the man to somehow blame the him for catching HIV when he&#39;s sleeping with someone new everynight, however in the west it&#39;s his own damn fault. "Freedom" is something from a cultural perspective.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 11:22 AM
very nice rifle Disgustapated, i&#39;ve never shot a browning, do you use it for hunting or target?


and Danton, its cool to have knives i collect them too, tell us what kind of knives or shanks you&#39;ve got.
Both. The Browning Bolt is verrrry smooth. Fairly short action on a large caliber.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by Moskitto+Aug 4 2003, 11:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Moskitto @ Aug 4 2003, 11:36 AM)
[email protected] 4 2003, 02:10 AM
hey...its a hobby not an obsession, but you&#39;d be suprised that all of those rifles were under five hundred dollars.

Plus..i do belong to a gun club, and i think they are a good way to keep kids out of the house. ANd their mouths outa bongs.
I&#39;d rather ban private ownership of ammunition than private ownership of guns, this means people can have guns as ornaments, but not fire them.

one of AK47s history teachers used to sell guns in the US, he said you could buy surplus WW1 rifles which put a 3 inch hole into someone of &#036;10. [/b]
3" hole? Maybe out the other side. Of course, that would mean you weren&#39;t shooting full metal jacket rounds, rather semi jacketed lead tipped like a hunting round.

The guns the teacher was speaking of were probably old Springfield M-1&#39;s. They are obtainable pretty cheap, however I&#39;m not sure about 10 bucks, unless they are not functional. The M-1 is chambered .30-06, the same as my rifle. It is a very accurate round. The M-1 however is a very heavy gun, and very long. There were lots of them used as hunting rifles for years after soldiers returned home.

[Moskitto]

Originally posted by Disgustapated+Aug 4 2003, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Disgustapated @ Aug 4 2003, 06:47 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 11:36 AM

[email protected] 4 2003, 02:10 AM
hey...its a hobby not an obsession, but you&#39;d be suprised that all of those rifles were under five hundred dollars.

Plus..i do belong to a gun club, and i think they are a good way to keep kids out of the house. ANd their mouths outa bongs.
I&#39;d rather ban private ownership of ammunition than private ownership of guns, this means people can have guns as ornaments, but not fire them.

one of AK47s history teachers used to sell guns in the US, he said you could buy surplus WW1 rifles which put a 3 inch hole into someone of &#036;10.
3" hole? Maybe out the other side. Of course, that would mean you weren&#39;t shooting full metal jacket rounds, rather semi jacketed lead tipped like a hunting round.

The guns the teacher was speaking of were probably old Springfield M-1&#39;s. They are obtainable pretty cheap, however I&#39;m not sure about 10 bucks, unless they are not functional. The M-1 is chambered .30-06, the same as my rifle. It is a very accurate round. The M-1 however is a very heavy gun, and very long. There were lots of them used as hunting rifles for years after soldiers returned home. [/b]
It was during the 60s and he said there were lots of surplus, he said they were pretty badly built but they could put a pretty big hole in someone, or they were antique value.

He said one time this guy wanted a whole cowboy outfit and needed a smith and wesson, but they wouldn&#39;t let him, but they let him have a winchester instead.

His other story was about high velocity rifles which if you missed the bullet kept going through trees until they hit someone who mysteriously dropped dead in the middle of a forest.

[Sabocat]

Well the American made M-1 and M-30 carbine were all pretty well made. There was some Italian rifles that were of suspect quality at the time.

As far as the cowboy wanting the smith & wesson and being given a winchester instead, that may have been a case of him wanting a pistol and not having the permit for one so ended up with a winchester lever action rifle instead.

Indeed, a high power and lesser power rifle will carry their projectiles for long distances if they miss their targets. A .30-06 round will travel well over a mile in that instance and still have enough energy to kill. A .30-06 (the caliber designation meaning a .30 caliber bullet, and the design dating to 1906) will take game easily at 200-300 yards. Even a .22 caliber bullet will travel a mile. Because of the added distance and velocity, rifles are outlawed for hunting in most of the smaller states here, due to proximity to population and dwellings for that reason.

[commieboy]

okay this is for all you anti gun people i dont know if it would change your mind but it made me think differntly. I read a qoute a few months ago and it goes somthing like this.....

"This year will go down in history&#33; For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration&#33; Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future&#33;"
Adolf Hitler C. 1936

Thats all i can remember but basically if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. That means citizens can only protect themselves with like knives or shanks. Or if the government has all of the guns....What happens when the government starts oppressing people? Are we going to throw rocks at them until they drop their guns?

Even though the Second Amendment is really misunderstood by so many people. I just think citizens should have weapons to hunt, target shoot, and protect their home from both robbers and Oppresors.

But that is my opinion...NOW OFF THE "OUTLAW THE GUNS&#33;&#33;" subject and tell us about your guns...if you dont like guns, you dont have to read this so dont harrass gun owners.

[canikickit]

I have a pen-knife. I use it for cutting my nails.

I&#39;ve no problem with gun-ownership, but I&#39;d rather a situation like Ireland, where the cops don&#39;t even carry guns.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 07:55 PM
I have a pen-knife. I use it for cutting my nails.

eeek, really? I have extra clippers if you&#39;d like them :) :P

edit: oh yeah, I have a nice big knife. I&#39;m afraid that I&#39;ll drop it on my toe one of these days..... oh that reminds me, the other day I dropped two really sharp knives onto the floor and they hit my foot, ouchie, but I didn&#39;t get cut, lucky me :) :P

[liderDeFARC]

Hmmm reading this has made me realize the importance of a gun in my life.... Too bad i cant buy one, although first i should think about learning to use one.... Guns are irritating though, too many names and types, as if that was so important. But since i&#39;m gun-illiterate, explain to me all this AK-fortysomething, and M-blah blah blah stuff

[commieboy]

I think every first time shooter should start with a nice bolt action rifle...if you&#39;re like over 13. A nice old military surplus rifle that go for under &#036;100. Go and get a Mosin Nagant 91/30. Jumping to an AK-47 would be nice, but expensive and all the accessories can get a bit confusing...i say all you should need is a gun and some bullets.

[liderDeFARC]

Ill keep that in mind when i go buy myself some guns, thats if i remember the name. But just like you said, all that matters to me is that its a gun and it can shoot.

[truthaddict11]

America the thought is absolutely repulsive, even after school deaths.

You are more likely to be struck by lightning then die by school violence.

And werent most of those guns used in shootings stolen?

Kinda hypocritical a guy with the username AK47 wanting to ban guns? :lol: :lol:

[CubanFox]

Wait, Mosin-Nagants are still around? You mean like this?
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/mosin91-30a.jpg

I&#39;ve always wanted an old timey gun like that. In a couple of years I might get one. Under &#036;100, eh?

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 11:03 PM
Hmmm reading this has made me realize the importance of a gun in my life.... Too bad i cant buy one, although first i should think about learning to use one.... Guns are irritating though, too many names and types, as if that was so important. But since i&#39;m gun-illiterate, explain to me all this AK-fortysomething, and M-blah blah blah stuff
Whay can&#39;t you buy one? Too young?

[commieboy]

"Wait, Mosin-Nagants are still around? You mean like this?"


OF COURSE THEY"RE AROUND&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Guerillas in Iraq are using them as sniper rifles&#33; Man&#33; i was at a gunshow the other day and there were hundreds of them some for under fifty bucks&#33; And they all work....old bolts are more reliable than any new clip fed rifle.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Aaah, my first post in the new board&#33;

I don&#39;t even own a knife, but there are loads of weapons I want to use out there, to name a few:

Taurus (Handgun) (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg29-e.htm)

Python (Revolver) (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/colt_python_elite.jpg)

Remington (Shotgun) (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rem1187pol1.jpg)

Spas-15 (Shotgun) (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/franchi_spas15.jpg)

P-90 (SMG) (http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_2.jpg)

M-29 OICW (Assault Rifle) (http://www.hkpro.com/oicw)

[praxis1966]

I personally would love to own an H&K .40 cal, or a Glock-23. Most of all a Desert Eagle .50 cal. But that&#39;s just cause I probably have a penile inferiority complex. Other than that I have 8 weapons (feet, knees, elbows, and hands). I know 11 different ways to strike someone with my hand. (Trained extensively in Jiu Jiutsu.)

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 01:48 PM
Aaah, my first post in the new board&#33;

I don&#39;t even own a knife, but there are loads of weapons I want to use out there, to name a few:

Taurus (Handgun) (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg29-e.htm)

Python (Revolver) (http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/colt_python_elite.jpg)

Remington (Shotgun) (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/rem1187pol1.jpg)

Spas-15 (Shotgun) (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/franchi_spas15.jpg)

P-90 (SMG) (http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_2.jpg)

M-29 OICW (Assault Rifle) (http://www.hkpro.com/oicw)
crap, that last one&#39;s huge&#33;

[lokigreeny]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 08:54 AM
okay this is for all you anti gun people i dont know if it would change your mind but it made me think differntly. I read a qoute a few months ago and it goes somthing like this.....

"This year will go down in history&#33; For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration&#33; Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future&#33;"
Adolf Hitler C. 1936

Thats all i can remember but basically if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. That means citizens can only protect themselves with like knives or shanks. Or if the government has all of the guns....What happens when the government starts oppressing people? Are we going to throw rocks at them until they drop their guns?

Even though the Second Amendment is really misunderstood by so many people. I just think citizens should have weapons to hunt, target shoot, and protect their home from both robbers and Oppresors.

But that is my opinion...NOW OFF THE "OUTLAW THE GUNS&#33;&#33;" subject and tell us about your guns...if you dont like guns, you dont have to read this so dont harrass gun owners.
Gandhi didnt need guns to win... yes, if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. that statement is defined by itself.

So your argument is that if someone else has a gun, you also have a right to a gun, just because they do? but if, on the other hand, you didnt have agun, then they wouldnt feel the need to have a gun, so they wouldnt have on, so you wouldnt have one... i think that that is fairly self explanatory. And when the government starts (what do you mean "starts", any way?) to opress us, you think shooting a soldier or a cop that is only following orders will stop the government oppression. Now, personally, I dont support killing in any form, but if youu are going to kill someone, shouldnt it be the person that makes the decisions, not the one that carries them out? arent we better off trying to convert the soldiers/police in a revolution, rather than killing an essential part of the post-revolution society (im reffering to the cops here)?

If you have a disabled gun hanging in your loungeroom, thats all well and good, even if it is a bit too machismo for my tastes, but do you really want a lethal weapon that somebody crazed by the grind of capitalist, materialist society can get hold of?

[praxis1966]

Sorry to say, NoXion, while the Spas and the P-90 may look ultra-groovy and deliver a hefty punch, they&#39;re extremely uncommon guns. I&#39;m sure in a guerrilla situation you&#39;d have a hell of a time finding compatible parts when they jam or break. Especially in the case of the P-90, they look more like trophy pieces than actual combat weapons. Let us not forget one of Che&#39;s cardinal rules, in the eventuality of guerrilla warfare, one must strive to use the same weapons as the oppressor in order to obtain spare parts and ammunition more readily. I don&#39;t know of any regular army that uses either of those straps.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

...In which case I fall back to the favourite, this

Guess what it is ;) (http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as01-e.htm)

Or I might be able to use

This (http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/m16a1_m203.jpg)

[Iepilei]

I had, at one time, a collection of 12 and 20 gauge shotguns, in addition to a 30-30, 22-rifle, as well as a 0.45ca Colt pistol and a 0.25ca italian-made titan.

Great deal of these were stolen from me, however. Everyone joked, and claimed "they stole my revolutionary starter kit" - a total of 7 weapons in all, with the exception of the pistols.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 03:59 PM
"Wait, Mosin-Nagants are still around? You mean like this?"


OF COURSE THEY"RE AROUND&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Guerillas in Iraq are using them as sniper rifles&#33; Man&#33; i was at a gunshow the other day and there were hundreds of them some for under fifty bucks&#33; And they all work....old bolts are more reliable than any new clip fed rifle.
I just would&#39;ve thought a gun that&#39;s 112 years old would&#39;ve been phased out by now.

Under &#036;50, eh?

I know they&#39;re excellent weapons. What about SKS Simonovs? Are they any good? Or Mauser 98s? Are they still around too?

[Ian]

commieboy click HERE (http://www.urbanlegends.com/politics/hitler_gun_control.html)

[highway star]

i have
a smith wesson 1954 model
and mp40 german made
a bar 1927
and a turkish mauser that from my grandfather
i think we must take guns for our politic aims

[highway star]

hey felicia
where did u find M-29 OICW from?

[Spartacus2002]

personally i would like to have one of those old wooden handled switchblades, 50&#39;s style kind, i would like a the new glock i think its glock 30 something, it fires 45 calibre ammunition and for a rifle i would want an AKM the modern version of the ak47

[lostsoul]

Who needs gun when you have your FISTS&#33;


Also, i don&#39;t if its smart to post on a communist message board the weapons you own. Just a thought.

[Mahdavikia]

I have only a little air gun to practice my favourite sport :)

It&#39;s a Feinwerkbau P30

And his photo : ;)

http://www.pilkguns.com/fc55pm.jpg

[commieboy]

I thought about what may happen if i posted what guns i own...If the government learned this information. And i know this....THEY CANT DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT&#33; I dont poach, i dont break the law, i may think differntly than they do but all those rifles were obtained legally through Their system. Plus...the guns i buy are military surplus....There are thousands of these guns coming into the country each week...They only way they could find me and my guns is if i posted serial numbers which im not that stupid enough to do.

Cuban Fox,
The SKS is a wonderful gun....parts are cheap and easy to get, its very reliable. And the K98s are the same, very accurate too, if fascists knew one thing....it was how to make weapons.


Praxis....The Italian Army and police forces use the SPAS 15 and 12. So if you need some spare parts go over there and piss off some of the right people if you need parts. The Spas 12 is a really good weapon too, i&#39;ve only shot it twice but its great.

[ONE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 01:55 AM
....Guns have one of the largest roles in history and politics. so i think it belongs in here...plus..no one would read it in chit chat anyway.
I disagree with you, but then again, who asked me? :unsure:

One Swiss army knife is all that I currently house in my armory.... However, I must admit, I do find it rather inadequate as a weapon in the unlikely event I have to fend off scores of aggressors. hmm, it might be time to upgrade to a 2 blade knife&#33; :D

[Rastafari]

I bet this is the most-watched topic ever posted in Che-Lives, from a fed&#39;s point of view

[truthaddict11]

pffft this is my home security
http://ebaumsworld.com/beararms.jpg

[the SovieT]

my obsession is to have a 1942 Mosin Nagant rifle..
also a Mosin Nagant hand gun to pair the rifle would be lovely..

plus a Mauser (anytipe actually)

a good ole PPSH 41

also a AK47 would be lovely..



for the more modern guns:

a HK MP-5

a Druganov and/or PSG-1

a AKS

a FAMAS

and the great AN-94

also a old G3 ( standart assault rifle nowdays stil used by the Portuguese army)

[the SovieT]

to add i dont have any gun..

just a Butterfly knife and it isnt even conviently lasered sharped....


i suck i know...

[Palmares]

This is my ONLY gun:

http://www.sugarbytes.com/images/fist.gif

[lokigreeny]

My only weapon is my mind.

:blink:

[the SovieT]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 12:43 AM
This is my ONLY gun:

http://www.sugarbytes.com/images/fist.gif
wanker...



"My only weapon is my mind."

try being a active militant with your mind...
its harder than you may think..

[Palmares]

Originally posted by the SovieT+Aug 7 2003, 11:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (the SovieT @ Aug 7 2003, 11:20 AM)
[email protected] 7 2003, 12:43 AM
This is my ONLY gun:

http://www.sugarbytes.com/images/fist.gif
wanker...



"My only weapon is my mind."

try being a active militant with your mind...
its harder than you may think.. [/b]
You know the saying, &#39;90% of guys wank, 10% lie about it&#39;.

Anyway, you can be as violent as you want, but some of us believe in peace.

"Our word is our weapon."
- Subcommandate Marcos

[lokigreeny]

hmmm, try being peaceful with a gun. its harder than you think. by definition a pacifist is not a militant. when (if) the commie revolution is spread across the globe, ppl like you are going to maintain the range and destabilise the government. see, if a revolution is made with force and kept with force, either destabilisation or oppression will result.

geez...

[commieboy]

Hey, we shouldn&#39;t be arguing we&#39;re all comrades here. People can fight with guns or their minds. Its a desiscion you make, but then i think to myself.....Why not use your gun and your mind? Makes sense to me, besides an armed revolution without the intellectuals would never work...look at the confederacy....a bunch of rednecks with guns....didnt work too well.

All im trying to say is...you can use your best weapon, which is your mind. But why just use one when you can have two (Your gun).

in the words of rodney king...."Why cant we all just get along?"

lets not fight among ourselves when there are such worse enemies out there.

[praxis1966]

Commieboy: That&#39;s fine and dandy if you&#39;re an Italian revolutionary. All I&#39;m saying is that your weaponry should be the same as the opressive regime that you&#39;re fighting against. In the case of the U&#036;, M-16s, Baretta 9&#39;s, and Mosberg 12 guages.

[commieboy]

I agree, but right now im a little short on the &#036;1,000 dollars it would cost to get an AR-15. Or atleast the &#036;550 it would cost online. I think you should get rifles that fire a commercial round so you can buy it instead of always scavanging. But i&#39;ve got my SKSs that shoot the 7.62X39mm that shouldn&#39;t be too hard to find. But i&#39;m still saving to get a nice AR-15, thats next on my list....Its better to take to the range than an AK-47

[Sabocat]

commieboy...instead of blowing all your hard earned cash on an AR-15, just buy the Ruger Mini 14 "Ranch Rifle.

Cheaper, same ammo, and built much better.

[commieboy]

for a club im joining i need a service rifle that an army used at one time...and a civilian cant get an M-16 so an AR-15 is the closest i can get. Plus the guys there wont like me coming with some old commie guns so i need some allied ones that are clip fed.

[Sabocat]

Then I highly recommend the Mini 30 which is a replica (basically) of the M-14 but is chambered in .308 or 7.62mm. Much better round anyway. I have shot the Mini 14 a ton of times and it&#39;s a great gun. I&#39;m assuming the Mini 30 is great too but with more punch.

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAP...View?model=1844 (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdEnlView?model=1844)

This is a fairly close copy of the M14. There are also a couple of Chinese clones out there in the 400-800 dollar range. Polytech is one company. I guess it just depends on how accurate a repro. it has to be.

Good luck.

[commieboy]

Okay i dont see how the mini 14 is close to the M-14....mabe mechanically but not on the outside....look at the M1A from the springfield armory...alot closer to the M-14

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rif...es-loaded.shtml (http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-loaded.shtml)

[praxis1966]

I think he was referring to the Mini 30 as being a passable M-14 replica.

BTW: If you are looking for an exact replica of the M-14, the Fulton Armory will build both service and competition grade weapons for you.

Fulton Armory (http://www.fulton-armory.com/MARifles.htm)

[commieboy]

i just dont like the M14, no specific reason, just doesnt appeal to me. I&#39;m more of an AR-15 kind of guy than an M14

[lostsoul]

Gun&#39;s don&#39;t win wars..Its people&#39;s minds, i agree with the guy who said that.

How can you explain the chinese revolution? the russian civil war? The cuban revolution?


Make no mistake, the mind is alot more powerful then a gun. Although a gun can kill the mind, a mind can also kill the guns.

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 08:44 AM
Gun&#39;s don&#39;t win wars..Its people&#39;s minds, i agree with the guy who said that.

How can you explain the chinese revolution? the russian civil war? The cuban revolution?


Make no mistake, the mind is alot more powerful then a gun. Although a gun can kill the mind, a mind can also kill the guns.
I agree with above statement, but I also believe weapons of all sorts would be used in a future revolution.

My family owns a shotgun that hasn&#39;t been fired for 22 years. :blink:


But, I would take an AK-47 or -74

H&K UMP-45

H&K MP5

or just an M-16

[praxis1966]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 10:44 AM
Gun&#39;s don&#39;t win wars..Its people&#39;s minds, i agree with the guy who said that.

How can you explain the chinese revolution? the russian civil war? The cuban revolution?


Make no mistake, the mind is alot more powerful then a gun. Although a gun can kill the mind, a mind can also kill the guns.
I wish I could be that idealistic. I just feel more secure knowing that when the hegemonic elites react to revolutionary ideology with violence (and they will, history has proven it) I have something other than my mind to defend myself and my family with.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 11:31 AM
Wait, Mosin-Nagants are still around? You mean like this?
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/mosin91-30a.jpg

I&#39;ve always wanted an old timey gun like that. In a couple of years I might get one. Under &#036;100, eh?
Ofcourse.

Here in Holland where there is a strict guncontrol, I can buy it at my local Army Dump shop, just for 70 Euro&#39;s. The disadvantage is that if you aren&#39;t member of a gunclub and under 18 u can&#39;t have a working gun.

I am so jaleous, I would love to have a few guns. I&#39;ve never shot with any guns, I am only shot at. Say:

An Ak-47
Mosin Nagat
M1 Garand
Dragunoff
Thompson
SKS Siminikov


Gun&#39;s don&#39;t win wars..Its people&#39;s minds, i agree with the guy who said that.

How can you explain the chinese revolution? the russian civil war? The cuban revolution?


Make no mistake, the mind is alot more powerful then a gun. Although a gun can kill the mind, a mind can also kill the guns.

I agree with the above statement, but every way that you take it. A revolt can&#39;t be commited peacefully, u will be shot at and at those moments a great mind is useless.

[BRIN]

I don&#39;t have any gun&#39;s because i&#39;m in Australia and the gun laws are realy shithouse.I don&#39;t think we can even get semi-automatics anymore it&#39;s horrible&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

But i do have knives and swords,i have
Yank army Knife
Hauri-curri knife(japenese suicide knife)
Claymore(replica)
Medium legth samurai sword
Throwing tomahawk
Throwing knives
Around about 15th century spanish cavelry sword (replica of course)
Butterfly knife
Celtic dagger(replica)
WW2 Ghurka knife (my personel favorite)

One of me mates has a 3o3 WW1 rifle and its cool it blows kangeroos heads off

BTW how cool are M60&#39;s

[suffianr]

Hauri-curri knife(japenese suicide knife)

:lol:

That&#39;s Hara Kiri(Japanese ritual suicide), and it&#39;s a sword, not a knife, unless you are referring to dual Katana&#39;s, in which there is the long blade (Katana) and the short blade (Wakizashi).

And the


15th century spanish cavelry sword

is probably either a Sabre or a Rapier with a Spanish blade.

My dad&#39;s keeps an Iban Headhunter&#39;s sword with runic inscriptions, for burglars.

[commieboy]

In my blade collection i have
Three swiss army knives
One butterfly knife
one Kbar knife
One FS dagger
A US pocket knife
A mosin nagant and SKS bayonet
One claymore replica
this isnt a blade but, ONe sixteenth century Italian crossbow replica
I used to fence so i have two foils, a saber, and an epee

See, we can all get along when we talk about our toys.

[lostsoul]

Most of the worlds injustices are not forced on people anymore by weapons, as they were in the past. now other methods are used, such as using money, status, power, etc...to control people.

These are not physical things, how can you use a gun to destory money? You can&#39;t. These methods of holding the poor down have been well thought out and made in such a way that they don&#39;t need weapons to enforce it(instead if you don&#39;t work for them..you can&#39;t get money..and without money you can&#39;t get food).

This is why i believe no amount of weapons can change anything.

This is not to say that we should prepare for voilence. The second we try to help the poor, many of the rich will start to pay attention. If we are succesful, then theirs a high chance they&#39;ll try to smoke us. So weapons are only needed to protect not for making the revolution.

Its easier to kill someone, then to try to change them. But as Che said, true revolutary&#39;s are guilded by LOVE. how can someone love their country when their taking the easy way out and killing their own??

No matter how hard it is, the mind is the most powerful revolutary weapon..followed by the fist(because it controls the PEN).

[Felicia]

Originally posted by highway [email protected] 6 2003, 01:18 PM
hey felicia
where did u find M-29 OICW from?
I didn&#39;t find it, NoXion did :P

[praxis1966]

These are not physical things, how can you use a gun to destory money?You&#39;re right when you say that you can&#39;t. All I was arguing was that when the elites feel that their hegemony is seriously threatened, they will react with violence. It doesn&#39;t matter if the tyrannical minority hasn&#39;t openly used violence in a while. You must acknowledge that there hasn&#39;t been a substantial leftist movement in equally as long.

Uggghhh. Why are we fighting each other? We could work all of this out later. We should be concentrating confronting those responsible for this current mess...

[hopeforRedAmerica]

i fully support guns... i own some guns

i own twin colt 45s, an M-1 garand, and a "grease" gun.

if a revolution were to take place.. the people NEED guns.. how would we fight without weapons? i encourage people willing to unite the working people of america to own guns.

i am only 16 but the only reason i have these guns is because my grandfather left them to me in his will.. and i thank him for that.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

As much as i like HkMP5&#39;s, and M16&#39;s, i actually only own a 45, but i know it can get the job done :)

[commieboy]

Hope, YOu have a greasegun?&#33;?&#33;? Did your grandpa swipe all those guns from WWII?
The M3 is an awesome little subgun. Is it in semi, cause if its in auto, you&#39;ve got an illegal gun there. but the garand is a very good weapon too, just think, all of those guns were used in the Cuban revolution. :castro: :che: :cuba: :hammer:

[FistFullOfSteel]

i have shot with a slingshot

[Viet_Nam_Communist_Youth_Union©]

I prefer the AK-47 "improved version" - AK-107 -

http://world.guns.ru/assault/ak-107.jpg


I fired Ak-47 twice and torn my hand skin when I ..... (shit , i don&#39;t knwo how it call in English, it mean i pull the "bar" to put bullet ready. ;) ,shame, but i&#39;m only 14-15 :(

[suffianr]

When you "cocked" the rifle, comrade. It&#39;s called a "cocking handle", which you pull to chamber the first bullet in your magazine. :D

Hmmm, is that a grenade launcher underneath the barrel?

[Morello Style]

I&#39;m with the mind-weapon folks here all the way...seems to me that any revolution thats going to happen soon must be in the minds and hearts of the people, you just can&#39;t extend that kind of feeling and understanding with a gun. I don&#39;t think I will ever own a gun, or shoot one for that matter.

But hey&#33; That doesnt mean they can&#39;t be appreciated&#33;

The new Smith and Wesson 500 is a good one for kicks, the .454 Cassul Raging Bull is another powerful handgun. But for all practicle purposes of street defense, get a 12 Gauge shotgun and then cut the barrel down to the legal length of 18 inches (yes, I know about weapons if the time for armed uprising does come). The H&K PDW (or is it P&W? either way, it starts and ends with those letters) is another brilliant defensive weapon, easily used, generous clip size, relativing small and with decent accuracy.

Oh yes...home defense. Bo Staff, around 5&#39;. Come and get me :ph34r:

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 05:45 AM

America the thought is absolutely repulsive, even after school deaths.

You are more likely to be struck by lightning then die by school violence.

And werent most of those guns used in shootings stolen?

Kinda hypocritical a guy with the username AK47 wanting to ban guns? :lol: :lol:
I have no problem with guns as long as they are in the possesion of a fully licensed club with a fully serviced range etc.

Shooting from my experiance is good fun, in this safe situation. They are not safe however in the hands of some crazed nut who goes into a school and kills 12 kids. Do any British people remember that insident a few years ago? When some insane gun nut went into a school unleashed on some kids and a teacher then put a round through his own skull?

Just Joe try reading the shit you push, how is it part of your "freedom" to own a gun, any more than it is to carry a nine inch blade around? What are you going to do with that gun, keep to kill scary burgalars or rob old an off-licence, maybe you could be like the IRA and shoot protestant kids. Go and spread your right wing ideals somewhere else.

Guns are designed for one reason to kill people, anyone who advocates owning a gun is no better than those people who say its part of the constitution to own one, the same people who vote republican and think that they are defending their liberty when they kill some indonesian kid in a poorly maintained shoe factory.

Fuck gun ownership and fuck the right wing gun culture.

[truthaddict11]

forgot one thing AK

GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK&#33;

[commieboy]

AK-47.....Whats wrong with someone owning a gun? I do, and i&#39;m safe and responsible. Every saturday morning i head out to the sportsmans&#39; club range with a bunch of nice guys who all share a common interest. I have fun shooting, it&#39;s my favorite hobby. Guns around here, are what bring alot of people together, i bet most of those guys are extreamly Right wing. But still we&#39;re friends because of guns, they keep us together. all i know is the guys i shoot with are nice family guys who instead of hanging around a bar drinking the families money away, he is spending five bucks on bullets and having good old fun with his pals at the range. I cant wait until saturday everyweekend.

PS...about school shootings, most of the guns used are legally bought at stores or gunshows* and that&#39;s a fact

[truthaddict11]

PS...about school shootings, most of the guns used are legally bought at stores or gunshows* and that&#39;s a fact



And they many times were stolen, i believe that the columbine boys stole thier guns. I found an article awhile ago that I posted Red-Green Left. It is from a libertarian site but still proves that gun control does not work. Here (http://www.ncpa.org/pi/crime/pd061099b.html)

[praxis1966]

No, the guns used in the Columbine shootings were purchased legally at either gun shows or sporting goods stores. Incidently, if you really want a lot of good information on the topic check out Bowling for Columbine. It just came out on DVD and VHS.

[commieboy]

yeah, micheal moore was my source of info...I loved bowling for columbine.

[Soul Rebel]

i dont own a gun and never will. i dont like guns- they freak me out. cause too many accidental deaths- well the people shooting the guns do. there should be stricter gun control laws.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 07:03 PM
pffft this is my home security
http://ebaumsworld.com/beararms.jpg
o yea?
well this is MY home security

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 08:13 PM
forgot one thing AK

GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK&#33;
No I realise that, I live in the UK where we have banned guns, we occasionally get the odd shooting, especially in gang war etc. Thats life there are always those who wish to do stupid things, but we get far far less than the US, which shows that gun control is doing something. Which is definatly a good thing.

AK-47.....Whats wrong with someone owning a gun? I do, and i&#39;m safe and responsible. Every saturday morning i head out to the sportsmans&#39; club range with a bunch of nice guys who all share a common interest. I have fun shooting, it&#39;s my favorite hobby. Guns around here, are what bring alot of people together, i bet most of those guys are extreamly Right wing. But still we&#39;re friends because of guns, they keep us together. all i know is the guys i shoot with are nice family guys who instead of hanging around a bar drinking the families money away, he is spending five bucks on bullets and having good old fun with his pals at the range. I cant wait until saturday everyweekend.

PS...about school shootings, most of the guns used are legally bought at stores or gunshows* and that&#39;s a fact

I would have no problem with you owning a gun, you are trust worthy in my opinion, but there are many who are not and will go out and rob and kill with these guns. That also does not account for those who are trust worthy who get burgled and then shoot their kids instead of the thief etc. Dont try and claim that does not happen as well, I see cases all the time on the news etc.

Guns are designed for one purpose and thats to kill, better that no-one has access to them except at clubs and ranges, IMO.

I also agree shooting is fun, but that does not mean you have to own a gun or rifle. Its much better if the club owns them and they never leave the premises. You can still have all the fun of shooting but with your mates, just without the danger that goes with it. It also means that those who do not wish to use the guns in the way you do cannot get hold of them.

PS...about school shootings, most of the guns used are legally bought at stores or gunshows* and that&#39;s a fact

That rather makes my case. If i had my way you would not beable to buy guns unless it was the ranage or club buying them, Individuals no.

[commieboy]

but they guns used in columbine were kind of stolen.....They were legally bought by parents and family members and then the two shooters stole them from the family members. I think, this is somthing i heard and maybe wrong.

[praxis1966]

Rather odd that someone with the screen name AK47 would argue in favor of gun control, don&#39;t you think?

Commieboy: No, that&#39;s what the popular right wing pro-gun media would have you believe. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the guns used at Columbine were legally purchased at gunshows, which are highly under-regulated. From what I have gathered, any time Eric and Dylan had any trouble buying weapons, they simply recruited a female friend who was over 18 to buy the guns for them. What you heard was definately wrong. Check your facts.

[commieboy]

I told you, i may&#39;ve been wrong, and my facts came from Bowling for columbine.....not exactly %100 truthful movie.

[Inti]

I use my natural weapons like my fists, feet, teeth, knees, elbows and my head mostly.. I like it close up and personal... Usually I just use it in my karate, thaiboxing, krav maga or kickboxing classes though.. I like it when there is order..

Otherwise I have used some guns and weapons, though not so many in my service:

Ak5C http://home8.swipnet.se/~w-82613/army/ak5e.htm was my designated weapon

PSG90 http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/psg-90.htm

GRG http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/grg.htm

KSP 58 http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/m_ksp-58.htm

AT4 http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/p-skott.htm

Sphg m/56 http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/sphg-56.htm

Sprängdeg http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/deg.htm

AG 90, Barrett M82A1 http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/bilder/ag-90_s.jpg

Kulsprutepistol m/45 (K-pist) http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/kpist.htm

Truppmina 10 (Trpm 10) http://hem.passagen.se/firefoxx/mil/trpm-10.htm

AK 4 http://www.soldf.com/images/s_ak4.jpg

And the anti air weapon I was designated to has been removed due to malfunctions.. it was called robot 70 and was a old nasty optical anti air rocket.

That much for weapons..

I prefer martial arts really, and like the krav maga principle to use your surrounding items as weapons as well..

[EneME]

Personally..its true, I wish Imperialistic nations didn&#39;t exist, and I hope a revolution happens. I want them to suddenly turn around and change from a capitalist government....I know it wont happen of course. But, at the same time....I hate violence...maybe I&#39;m just scarred from seeing war with my own eyes. I can&#39;t even watch war movies....they make me sick to my stomach. I hate violence and killing...it only creates horrible grief. Therefore, I really dont like them myself, nor for my family....but I do think their should be more regulations in the states for gun ownership.

[FistFullOfSteel]

why does the americans need weapons?honestly?

[commieboy]

American&#39;s dont need guns...i personally enjoy shooting guns, i dont shoot at human shaped targets, or have Assault rifles I have old military rifles older than you your parents and your grandparents....I shoot for a score, in a competition...I dont go around shouting that i need to defend myself with them, thats what a security system is for...or a baseball bat. And i hunt, well i used to and guns arent just somthing you can throw away. I also like to shoot trap and skeet....so i use my shotgun. alot of americans think that if they are unarmed, then they are vounerable to all the evils of the world, or just compensating for a small penis.

I cant speak for all americans, but dont label me as a gun toting lunitic...notice, i dont own any handguns....I think that handguns should require more than just a background check....a handgun has no purpose other to kill or maim...unless you&#39;re using it as a target pistol in which case should only be a .22 short and single shot single action.....

[Hatchet]

Hey,
Gun ownership is ok if the proper educational and cultural ideas are in practice, but as it happens in the USA and other western nations there is a culture of violence which makes the idea of owning guns completely foolish. Some ridiculous number of people are shot with there own guns, keep that in mind you crazies who want it for &#39;self defence&#39;.

Hatchet

[FistFullOfSteel]

"if the enemy is using weapons,we gonna use weapons"

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

I gotta a 4ft cavalry sabre................11th lancers officer
Remmington 12 gauge ......... broken but it dont look it
.33 enfield 1942 .............. my grandads
bayonet to go with the enfield
8ft cavalry lance................ 11th lancers again...........has DEATH OR GLORY &#33; on the shaft
Colt .45 ...............

[Sovietski Soyuz]

I see that our usernames are similar, Sovietsky Souyuz. This could get confusing. :D

[Sovietsky Souyuz]

lol, indeed it could, but i dont post evry ten seconds, jus when it means somet to me, so we shud be ok
oh, yeah, my avatar will be workin tomorrow, which will deffo help.

[FistFullOfSteel]

i have 2 kitchen knifes or more :P :P :P

[Funky Monk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 06:21 PM

Shooting from my experiance is good fun, in this safe situation. They are not safe however in the hands of some crazed nut who goes into a school and kills 12 kids. Do any British people remember that insident a few years ago? When some insane gun nut went into a school unleashed on some kids and a teacher then put a round through his own skull?

Fuck gun ownership and fuck the right wing gun culture.
Was it something like the Snowdrop group that was formed into response to Dunblane?

Im all in favour of close gun control, there is no other public weapon with the capacity to kill as guns, you can talk about knives but they are far less leathel.

Since Dunblane there have been no other large gunscares like that. But globally we still hear stories like a 12yr old kid bringing a gun from his house into school or other high school shootings. The gun culture is too pervasive in some societies.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Funky Monk+Sep 6 2003, 02:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Funky Monk @ Sep 6 2003, 02:54 PM)
[email protected] 28 2003, 06:21 PM

Shooting from my experiance is good fun, in this safe situation. They are not safe however in the hands of some crazed nut who goes into a school and kills 12 kids. Do any British people remember that insident a few years ago? When some insane gun nut went into a school unleashed on some kids and a teacher then put a round through his own skull?

Fuck gun ownership and fuck the right wing gun culture.
Was it something like the Snowdrop group that was formed into response to Dunblane?

Im all in favour of close gun control, there is no other public weapon with the capacity to kill as guns, you can talk about knives but they are far less leathel.

Since Dunblane there have been no other large gunscares like that. But globally we still hear stories like a 12yr old kid bringing a gun from his house into school or other high school shootings. The gun culture is too pervasive in some societies. [/b]
Yes that was it, the Dunblane shooting.

But globally we still hear stories like a 12yr old kid bringing a gun from his house into school or other high school shootings.

Yes and the Washington DC sniper recently.

[chamo]

The AK47 has killed more innocent people than any other gun, as a matter of fact.

I shoot, well more like shot, guns with a little section of the RAF, but it&#39;s tightly controlled and only for scoring and competitions not training to be professional killers.

I&#39;m for gun control by responsible governments, it is a fact that in the USA more people are accidentally killed by gun wielding home-owners than intruders or attackers etc.

[commieboy]

I think Americans are in some unexplainable way are more irresponsible with guns...look at Switzerland, there is literally a gun in every house, even though they have no standing army each citizen is made a part of the national militia and have guns, ammo, and a uniform at their house, and each year have to retrain to keep in shape.

Americans are just plain irresponsible with guns, i&#39;m an American, and i act responsibly I just went shooting at the club today and had alot of fun, there were only three other guys so it was alot of fun having the range to ourselves.

[caliban]

I can see 3 problems with private gun ownership. Theft, addiction, and stupidity. Speaking of stupidity, has anyone ever fired, handled, know of the Barrett Light 50? If so, try and compare it to something more main steam.

[cubist]

i have read most of this thread apologies if i repeat anyone as it was a speed read,

the problem lies not in the gun but ni the owner unless you can trust everyone no one should have a gun, but then if that were the case you wouldn&#39;t need one.



it would be unnecessary to arm myself as in my country if you hold a gin you get shot even if its a cigarette lighter.