Sympathetic Biographies To Stalin

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I dont' wanna read some trash saying he was like hitler blah blah blah.

[Danton]

Why? because the truth hurts?...

[antieverything]

Hit it on the head, Dan.

[YKTMX]

Stalin should have done an auto biography. Ummm, what about titles??

-50 million dead and still going strong
-The Gulag and me
-Uncle Joe - The Real Me
-Man of Steel
-How I won WWII single handedly
-Stalin- A guide to paranoid schizophrenia
-Lenin- Why he loved me like a son
-Who's Marx?
-I wonder what Marxists believe in?
-Stalin-Me and Adolf

Anyone got anymore

[canikickit]

I have Stalin's lesser known cook-book, which includes some sparse biographical information.
It does include an excellent recipe for broiled children, however.

[Rastafari]

haha. Maybe you all should talk with Comrade RAF and be "converted" into doubting a little of that shit...

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 04:33 AM
haha. Maybe you all should talk with Comrade RAF and be "converted" into doubting a little of that shit...
No, he's a moron of the highest order.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

no way do i like stalin just didnt want to read some TOTALLY BIASED bio.the jokes were funny tho.but sadly true.

[antieverything]

Don't think that biographers are all agents of the US government. I think you'll find that most are fair and objective. They do, after all, tell the story of a life, not judge the man.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

true there is one insanely bias and basicly ficticious bio that i have read concerning communism,its actually on lenin.i believe its called "lenin-a new biograpgy".the best one is by robert service.its called"lenin-a biography".

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Aug 5 2003, 02:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Aug 5 2003, 02:19 PM)
[email protected] 5 2003, 04:33 AM
haha. Maybe you all should talk with Comrade RAF and be "converted" into doubting a little of that shit...
No, he&#39;s a moron of the highest order. [/b]
and how do we know your any better, brother?
If the only thing you can post is damning another member, then you have anything of insight to post?

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Rastafari+Aug 6 2003, 03:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rastafari @ Aug 6 2003, 03:47 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 02:19 PM

[email protected] 5 2003, 04:33 AM
haha. Maybe you all should talk with Comrade RAF and be "converted" into doubting a little of that shit...
No, he&#39;s a moron of the highest order.
and how do we know your any better, brother?
If the only thing you can post is damning another member, then you have anything of insight to post? [/b]
Not really. You suggested someone I could "learn" from, and I suggested an opinion on that member which is mines entirely and will not be changed. I hardly think this is evidence of the "only thing I can post". Whether I have anything of any insight to say is up to other people to decide obviously.

[Legends]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 02:42 AM
Don&#39;t think that biographers are all agents of the US government. I think you&#39;ll find that most are fair and objective. They do, after all, tell the story of a life, not judge the man.
There are some biographiers who do tend to stray away from the truth and put in their own opinion, But I WOULD like to read a Stalin book as im sure it will give you a insight into what he was thinking, could be interesting.

[Urban Rubble]

Dude, just because RAF is a Stalinist does not mean he is an idiot. I don&#39;t give a shit if he followed Hitler, he&#39;s one of the most educated people on this board. Just because he has a different opinion of Stalin (right or wrong) does not mean he doesn&#39;t know his shit.

Perhaps you should engage him in a debate instead of spewing out hollow insults, which is all I&#39;ve seen you do.

By the way, Boy Sets Fire sucks. Those fucks preached for 5 minutes between EVERY song last time I saw them. I enjoy it, but they are just alienating and pissing off the people who don&#39;t care. They came to see a band, not get a lecture. Plus, their music is psuedo punk BULLSHIT.

[Rastafari]

speaking as a fellow, former musician, we only talk heavy in between sets when we need filler because we don&#39;t know that much&#33;

[Urban Rubble]

Ya, I was kind of just joking, but that really did piss the crowd off. I liked it, mostly because I don&#39;t like their music.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 8 2003, 12:05 AM
Dude, just because RAF is a Stalinist does not mean he is an idiot. I don&#39;t give a shit if he followed Hitler, he&#39;s one of the most educated people on this board. Just because he has a different opinion of Stalin (right or wrong) does not mean he doesn&#39;t know his shit.

Perhaps you should engage him in a debate instead of spewing out hollow insults, which is all I&#39;ve seen you do.

By the way, Boy Sets Fire sucks. Those fucks preached for 5 minutes between EVERY song last time I saw them. I enjoy it, but they are just alienating and pissing off the people who don&#39;t care. They came to see a band, not get a lecture. Plus, their music is psuedo punk BULLSHIT.
Pseudo-punk? Haha.

Comrade RAF may very well be the "Einstein of Stalinism" but that doesn&#39;t mean he&#39;s not full of shit. And anyway, I have had lots of arguments with him and he all he seems to do is wise crack and say "kid" alot. So I respond in kind, if you don&#39;t like it, please accept my full apologies but that&#39;s just tough.

[elijahcraig]

Maoist Internationalist Movement has two good pro-Stalin books. They&#39;re downloadable. Go to "FAQ" on their homepage, and then to "What about Stalin?". They have a link at the bottom.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 03:25 PM
Stalin should have done an auto biography. Ummm, what about titles??

-50 million dead and still going strong
-The Gulag and me
-Uncle Joe - The Real Me
-Man of Steel
-How I won WWII single handedly
-Stalin- A guide to paranoid schizophrenia
-Lenin- Why he loved me like a son
-Who&#39;s Marx?
-I wonder what Marxists believe in?
-Stalin-Me and Adolf

Anyone got anymore
Yup plenty Mr. X


Stalin- I was really the second gunman on the grassy knoll"

Stalin- "How I originated the idea of boy bands"

J. V. Stalin- "1001 ways to cook your children"

Josef Stalin speaks out; "How to properly sacrifice a virgin [preface by Anton Levay]"

Stalin the unauthorised biography- "20 million pish&#33; Try 50 million&#33; I got you all duped&#33;

Comrade Stalin; " If only I had more time for killing"

Stalin&#39;s final words- "A delightful book of essays and poems on everything from mass graves to murder"

Stalin- "Waiter, there&#39;s a baby in my soup&#33;" A collection of his most prized quips and maxims

The wisdom of Stalin- Featuring "Give a man to fish he eats for a day; teach a man to mass-murder he eats for a lifetime"

Stalin sings- Sung to "The Letter" by The Boxtops; "Give him a ticket on a gulag train, ain&#39;t worth the cash to put one in his brain, Lonely days are gone now his life is done, Lev Trotsky goes south of the border"

Joseph Stalin- How to starve ukranians and still maintain that &#39;G. Q.&#39; image"

Stalin and doodling- A book of Stalin&#39;s doodles entitled "I will doodle you to death"


Edit:

I just had to add that last one.

PS mr. X

If calling me a moron makes you feel better about blindly believing lies, then go right ahead mate. I can care less. I don&#39;t need your "seal of approval" as many of my comrades here know that calling me a moron is absurd.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by COMRADE RAF+Aug 9 2003, 08:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (COMRADE RAF @ Aug 9 2003, 08:43 AM)
[email protected] 4 2003, 03:25 PM
Stalin should have done an auto biography. Ummm, what about titles??

-50 million dead and still going strong
-The Gulag and me
-Uncle Joe - The Real Me
-Man of Steel
-How I won WWII single handedly
-Stalin- A guide to paranoid schizophrenia
-Lenin- Why he loved me like a son
-Who&#39;s Marx?
-I wonder what Marxists believe in?
-Stalin-Me and Adolf

Anyone got anymore
Yup plenty Mr. X


Stalin- I was really the second gunman on the grassy knoll"

Stalin- "How I originated the idea of boy bands"

J. V. Stalin- "1001 ways to cook your children"

Josef Stalin speaks out; "How to properly sacrifice a virgin [preface by Anton Levay]"

Stalin the unauthorised biography- "20 million pish&#33; Try 50 million&#33; I got you all duped&#33;

Comrade Stalin; " If only I had more time for killing"

Stalin&#39;s final words- "A delightful book of essays and poems on everything from mass graves to murder"

Stalin- "Waiter, there&#39;s a baby in my soup&#33;" A collection of his most prized quips and maxims

The wisdom of Stalin- Featuring "Give a man to fish he eats for a day; teach a man to mass-murder he eats for a lifetime"

Stalin sings- Sung to "The Letter" by The Boxtops; "Give him a ticket on a gulag train, ain&#39;t worth the cash to put one in his brain, Lonely days are gone now his life is done, Lev Trotsky goes south of the border"

Joseph Stalin- How to starve ukranians and still maintain that &#39;G. Q.&#39; image"

Stalin and doodling- A book of Stalin&#39;s doodles entitled "I will doodle you to death"


[/b]
Good ones, RAF.

[antieverything]

How &#39;bout a sound-off from these gentlemen that think you aren&#39;t a moron, RAF? I know of perhaps three or four but they are all Stalinists.

[elijahcraig]

Actually, about 50% of the board would probably call him smart. Even RedStar would probably call him smart.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 11:13 PM
How &#39;bout a sound-off from these gentlemen that think you aren&#39;t a moron, RAF? I know of perhaps three or four but they are all Stalinists.
Tito bring me atissue. I&#39;ve got such tears in my eyes&#33; Little AI here thinks I&#39;m a moron. I just don&#39;t think I can bear the torture any longer&#33;

[antieverything]

I really don&#39;t care if he has an IQ over 200, I meant a moron as in someone who would say this:
Tito bring me atissue. I&#39;ve got such tears in my eyes&#33; Little AI here thinks I&#39;m a moron. I just don&#39;t think I can bear the torture any longer&#33;
RAF is useless, to be sure. Besides, Redstar says plenty of things...many of which are laughable. I really don&#39;t give a damn about either of the ineffectual relics.

[Rastafari]

Stalin sings- Sung to "The Letter" by The Boxtops; "Give him a ticket on a gulag train, ain&#39;t worth the cash to put one in his brain, Lonely days are gone now his life is done, Lev Trotsky goes south of the border"

On a seperate note, this is a kick-ass classic. I seem to be the only person who knew about it, previous to this. In fact, I&#39;m listening to it right now&#33; The Wailers covered it, so it must not be too bad


oh, and don&#39;t forget "Death of the Duke."

[the SovieT]

Stalin, Joseph (1879-1953)



Stalin, a political name adopted when he was 34, meaning Man of Steel, studied for the priesthood under his real name, Dzhugashvili. Son of a shoe maker, he joined the Social Democratic party after being expelled from a theological school for insubordination. After the RSDLP split in 1903, Stalin became a member of the Bolshevik party.

In Stalin&#39;s early years he was continually in trouble with the local authorities. During this period he took the nickname Koba, after the famous Georgian outlaw and the name of a character in the romance "Nunu", by the Georgian author Kazbek. The celebrated brigand Koba was known as a fighter for the the rights of the people, while the fictional Koba was depicted as sacrificing everything in his struggle against the Tsarist authorities on behalf of his people, but unsuccesful, freedom was lost.

Koba escaped prison exile several times, at his last escape he fled to St. Petersburg, where he became a member of the editorial staff of Pravda in 1912. Within a year, Stalin was arrested again and exiled to Siberia. He was released from exile by general amnesty after the February Revolution of 1917, and went back to the editorial staff of Pravda in Petrograd.

After the October Revolution Stalin was elected to the post of commissar for nationalities.

Throughout the following civil war, Stalin ascended the ranks of the government through extensive bureaucratic manoeuvering and in 1922, received the majority vote to become the General Secretary of the Communist party. In the same year Lenin called for his removal, explaining that Stalin had amassed to much power, in what was to become known as Lenin&#39;s last testament.

Following Lenin&#39;s death in 1924, a wave of reaction swept through the Soviet government. Stalin introduced his theory of socialism in one country, where he explained that Socialism could be achieved by a single country.

Unlike former inner-party debates, where the positions of either side were written in newspapers, talked about in public meetings and soviets; the reaction and practices of the long and devastating civil war, caused a &#39;debate&#39; that was completely hidden from the public, in order to &#39;establish the appearance&#39; of a healthy, stable, government.

In 1927, after years of bureaucratic manoeuvering, the members in the government that were part of the Left Opposition were deported on a wide scale. Immediately following, Stalin announced his theory of social fascism, describing that the theories of Social-Democracy and Fascism were essentially the same. Following this new theory, members of Social-Democratic organisations (of which Bolsheviks were once a part) were arrested or deported. In 1929 the right-wing of the Communist party, led by Bukharin, was removed from the so-called "soviet" government by the Stalinists.

In late 1928, Stalin introduced methods of productively advancing the Soviet Union via forced industrialisation and collectivisation. These efforts were tasked out in five year plans, the first of which included a widescale campaign of mass executions, arrests, and deportations of the kulak class.

Russia advanced tremendously from the draconian measures implemented to ensure that "socialism in one country" could survive. Russia moved from complete devastation and destruction after WWI and the Civil War, to become a nation that was one of the most powerful in the world: achieving such goals that 30 years previous would have been viewed as wholly impossible.

From 1934 to 1939 Stalin ordered a series of executions and imprisonments, largely directed towards people within the Soviet government. Half of the members of the first Council of Peoples Commissars were executed in 1938 (A quarter of them had died natural deaths before hand, of the remaining quarter only Stalin lived past 1942). Some government officials executed were thought to be Nazi agents or sympathisers, while others were accused for planning to overthrow the Soviet government. Members of the Left Opposition who were allowed to return to the party after accepting Stalinism were soon executed, those who remained abroad were hunted down and killed. Also executed were people belonging to the right-wing of the party (Bukharin and others). The exact number of people executed is not known, estimates range from thousands to millions.

During WWII Stalin organised and lead the Soviet Union to victory over the invading Nazi armies. [...]


from marxists.org http://www.marxists.org/glossary/frame.htm

[elijahcraig]

What&#39;s the deal with you posting a biography of Stalin from a Trotskyist website so many times?

[Vinny Rafarino]

I was beginning to wonder that mysef. Perhaps the sovieT would like to explain himself prior to his deportation to a labour camp.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 03:36 AM
What&#39;s the deal with you posting a biography of Stalin from a Trotskyist website so many times?
Well, what source would you prefer? You can either choose "imperialist, capitalist lies" or "filthy trot lies". Perhaps you would like some info from a site that is pro-Stalin? All history is opinion. You and your comrades prefer to believe one strand, some believe another. You never know Elijah, given your track record, Comrade RAF could probably convince you off the existence off the Easter Bunny.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by YouKnowTheyMurderedX+Aug 11 2003, 05:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YouKnowTheyMurderedX @ Aug 11 2003, 05:55 PM)
[email protected] 10 2003, 03:36 AM
What&#39;s the deal with you posting a biography of Stalin from a Trotskyist website so many times?
Well, what source would you prefer? You can either choose "imperialist, capitalist lies" or "filthy trot lies". Perhaps you would like some info from a site that is pro-Stalin? All history is opinion. You and your comrades prefer to believe one strand, some believe another. You never know Elijah, given your track record, Comrade RAF could probably convince you off the existence off the Easter Bunny. [/b]
The myth of the eater bunny;


It is with the use of logic and decustive reasoning that I will show the existance of the "easter bunny"


The "Easter hare" was pre-christain manifestation of the Pagan goddess of spring, Eostre. Myth and legend says a "magic hare" would bring local children gifts for the spring festival, these gifts were usually manifsted in the form of brightly coloured eggs that represented "a new life" beginning with the spring festval.


Christianity&#39;s terrorost regime of monks decided to outsmart the filthy pagans by incorporating their beliefs into a new legend celebrating a "christian belief" of Jesus&#39; so called re-birth (not to far away from the original pagan belief you see) into the world after being clipped by his own people. (poor lad)

The use of candy to celebrate the easter holiday was introduced by those pesky germans who in an effort to drive the Pagan Easter hare from his hiding place in the forest (The monks kept attempting to put the easter hare over a camp fire and cover him with special herbs and spices that will later lead a southern United States gentleman known only as "The Colonel" to send chinese mercenaries on a trek through western Europe in search of the "secret recipe; did he find it? You tell me)

It is therefore not logical to assume the famed "easter hare" has since ever come out of his den for fear he will end up as tonight&#39;s dinner fare. Out of sight means out of mind. It does not however mean he does not exist.

Who puts all those fancy little eggs in the backyard over Eh? Some say it&#39;s the parents of the children. I say its the Easter Hare dressed in a trench-coat on his once a year excursion from his hole.

Prove me wrong.

[YKTMX]

Well, I&#39;m convinced anyway. :o

[Cassius Clay]

I would recomend the Ludo Martens book &#39;Another View of Stalin&#39; which is available in whole online available at the Progressive Labor Party website. That deals with the most prominent lies aimed towards the man. There is also plenty more material available at journals such as Revolutionary Democracy and North Star Compass, also try the Marxist-Leninist translations, all three of these deal more so with how those &#39;Stalinists&#39; are fighting Imperialism and trying to create Soviet Power for people today in the former USSR, India, South America and South East Asia, but they do provide alot of articles which refute the usual rubbish. The best site though purely from a historical study perspective is RedComrades.com.

BTW a number of the so called &#39;historians&#39; are and were in the pay of secret service, Robert Conquest being the best example. And &#39;dissitents&#39; were to quote a former one both well paid to write lies (infact they were paid more for the more outrageous the claim) and not right in the head. Ofcourse Stalin predicted there would be lies told about him, he said &#39;They will attach my name to all soughts of unimaginable crimes&#39;. He also predicted that the USSR would be taken over by anti-communists. Oh yeah and finally he said that the people would rise up and take back Soviet Power.

So take care guys, the antichrist is coming back to threaten your &#39;freedom&#39;&#33;

[CubanFox]

Is Koba The Dread - Laughter & The Twenty Million by Martin Amis as biased as I imagine that it is?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I would recomend the Ludo Martens book &#39;Another View of Stalin&#39; which is available in whole online available at the Progressive Labor Party website. That deals with the most prominent lies aimed towards the man. There is also plenty more material available at journals such as Revolutionary Democracy and North Star Compass, also try the Marxist-Leninist translations, all three of these deal more so with how those &#39;Stalinists&#39; are fighting Imperialism and trying to create Soviet Power for people today in the former USSR, India, South America and South East Asia, but they do provide alot of articles which refute the usual rubbish. The best site though purely from a historical study perspective is RedComrades.com.

BTW a number of the so called &#39;historians&#39; are and were in the pay of secret service, Robert Conquest being the best example. And &#39;dissitents&#39; were to quote a former one both well paid to write lies (infact they were paid more for the more outrageous the claim) and not right in the head. Ofcourse Stalin predicted there would be lies told about him, he said &#39;They will attach my name to all soughts of unimaginable crimes&#39;. He also predicted that the USSR would be taken over by anti-communists. Oh yeah and finally he said that the people would rise up and take back Soviet Power.

So take care guys, the antichrist is coming back to threaten your &#39;freedom&#39;&#33;


thanks for that comrade.but do u know any actual books you can buy in a bookstore that are sympathetic to stalin?

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 08:23 AM



thanks for that comrade.but do u know any actual books you can buy in a bookstore that are sympathetic to stalin?
The Idiots Guide to Nihilism?

[Cassius Clay]

Erm sorry cheguavera717 for some reason western librarys and bookstores dont tend to have sympathectic biographys to Stalin, yet they do for Trotsky. Wonder why that is?

Anyway the entire Ludo Martens book is avaliable here.

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html

[ernestolynch]

I wouldn&#39;t go anywhere near that Martin Amis book unless I was a complete Liberal. It&#39;s basically him sticking his two fingers up at his dead father, Kingsley Amis, who was once a Communist. Martin Amis did the usual youthful Trotskyism-turned right-wing Liberal Capitalist metamorphosis which is as predictable as a caterpillar turning into a butterfly.

The Martens books is very good indeed.

Anyone read &#39;Molotov Remembers&#39;? That&#39;s supposed to be very accurate as well.

[Cassius Clay]

I&#39;ve read parts of &#39;Stalin&#39;s letters to Molotov&#39; which is I gather a good read. What&#39;s most interesting is Stalin&#39;s letters regarding the British General Strike in 1926.

[Vinny Rafarino]

"Molotov Remembers" is good bisiness. The only thing better than reading that would be me having a piss on Trotsky&#39;s grave or perhaps having a go at that twit Alan Woods. I&#39;ve had to listen to his bollocks for twenty years.


Did you ever get that link from me to Anna Strong&#39;s book on .PDF comrade Lynch?

[ernestolynch]

I did Cde RAF, cheers, but I haven&#39;t got around to reading it yet, what I may do is print it off at work rather than use all the toner in my own printer&#33;

I got a funny look once off one of the admin staff while I was printing out "LeftWing Communism - An Infantile Disorder"&#33; She thought I was barmy. But then again she&#39;s half right&#33;

Not as bonkers as the Trockists though - they take the digestives.

There are lots of books in the cellar of Housmans in King&#39;s Cross about Stalin. Unfortunately it is run by one of the Trotters, so it has a whole wall of stuff about &#39;Reforging&#39; some Fourth International or whatever, but whatever floats their boats I suppose. Ever noticed how all Trot Rot tends to be very glossy and well-printed, kind of makes me wonder who funds it all.

Anyway while I was paying for my copy of &#39;Tressell&#39; a few weeks ago (a good book about a brilliant book - however it smells a bit Trotty), I spotted a copy of Northstar Compass on the desk. I just spluttered and pointed at it and said &#39;Do you have that here?&#39;, all excited like, but they said it was out of stock. Can&#39;t think why they didn&#39;t give me that copy, perhaps they are trying to cure their case of the Trots&#33;

Another time I went in there looking for &#39;Quite Right Mister Trotsky&#39; by Denver Walker (which I am sure you have) and the Grumpy-Trot just turned red and harumphed &#39;no&#39; with a sneer&#33; So I walloped a hardback biography of Harry Pollitt down on the desk and said &#39;I&#39;ll have this chief&#39; with a grin. He looked Peeved-Trot after that....

[Vinny Rafarino]

Fucking brilliant eh? To think, all that bollocks about "Stalinist" bureaucracy only to find themselve forgetting with silly "internationale" they belong to...Was it the 4th? 5th? 5th A? 4th AB? 4th AA to the sixth power? Whatever...They are always good for a laugh.

Nothing says "communism" like nice glossy book-jackets with fine parchment grade paper and leather bindings. What a joke.

I&#39;ve owned several copies of "Quite Right Mr. Trotsky"...I always end up giving them out to former trots that finally see the error of their ways. I dig the front cover...One of my all-time favourites.
Just look at that smug bastard&#33;

[ernestolynch]

That book is class. I intend one day to scan it and put it online. I&#39;m sure the late Cde Walker would appreciate it.

[Saint-Just]

So cheguevara717, will you be accepting Comrade Stalin as a true Marxist-Leninist?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

of course comrade.having read more honest work about comrade stalin,and listening to some stalinist&#39;s here,i consider myself part stalinist.

[YKTMX]

"And another one bites the dust"

[ernestolynch]

Says the fucking Mormon. How many papers did you sell today, Trot-Bot?

[YKTMX]

None. I was too busy colluding with Imperialists and plottting to bring down Socialism.

[ernestolynch]

Yeah we know that, that goes without saying, did you reach your sales target?

Did you know that ex-Trots are the biggest proportion of Encyclopaedia Britannica salespeople?

SELL&#33; RECRUIT&#33; SELL&#33; RECRUIT&#33;