Gangland on the History Channel.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I pretty much did nothing but sit on my ass, eat leftover pizza and watch this show today.

There were a couple interesting episodes, namely the Wild Boyz gang (native american gang from Pine Ridge) and the Aryan Republican Army (wannabe The Order-style 1990's bank robbery crew from Ohio, although I don't think that they could really even be considered a "gang").

[khad]

Watch the one about Friends Stand United, that anarchist community defense organization which cleared the hardcore scene of Neo-Nazis. Watch how the program interviews cops who claim that these guys are as dangerous and evil as the Crips and Bloods.

It's hilarious because FSU is a straight-edge outfit. What are you gonna bust them on? NOT selling drugs?

[Nolan]

I pretty much did nothing but sit on my ass, eat leftover pizza and watch this show today.

There were a couple interesting episodes, namely the Wild Boyz gang (native american gang from Pine Ridge) and the Aryan Republican Army (wannabe The Order-style 1990's bank robbery crew from Ohio, although I don't think that they could really even be considered a "gang").

What a coincidence. I did too.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I love how dramatic that show is. It's not really like that in the real world. At least not most of the time.

[Audeamus]

Watch the one about Friends Stand United, that anarchist community defense organization which cleared the hardcore scene of Neo-Nazis. Watch how the program interviews cops who claim that these guys are as dangerous and evil as the Crips and Bloods.

It's hilarious because FSU is a straight-edge outfit. What are you gonna bust them on? NOT selling drugs?

I guess they're starting to run out of actual gangs after 7 seasons?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I love how dramatic that show is. It's not really like that in the real world. At least not most of the time.

Yeah. I really hate the "MTV style" editing that the show features, with jittery jump cuts every second. :rolleyes:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

After you've seen 5 episodes, you've seen them all. It's just black on black violence, along with the occasional nazi's and bikers. TUFF SHIT, Y'ALL.

[KC]

Watch the one about Friends Stand United, that anarchist community defense organization which cleared the hardcore scene of Neo-Nazis. Watch how the program interviews cops who claim that these guys are as dangerous and evil as the Crips and Bloods.

It's hilarious because FSU is a straight-edge outfit. What are you gonna bust them on? NOT selling drugs?

Those dudes are dicks though.

[Stand Your Ground]

Watch the one about Friends Stand United, that anarchist community defense organization which cleared the hardcore scene of Neo-Nazis. Watch how the program interviews cops who claim that these guys are as dangerous and evil as the Crips and Bloods.

It's hilarious because FSU is a straight-edge outfit. What are you gonna bust them on? NOT selling drugs?
I liked that one. Definitely not a gang but still full of awesomeness.

[gorillafuck]

Fuck FSU, though.

[The Douche]

Fsu are not anarchists. Lol. They are also not "dicks" you probably just don't belong in the hardcore scene.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

If I go to a show and get assaulted for drinking a beer that's a pretty dick move.

[HEAD ICE]

I remember a long time ago when i lived in California the local news did a profile on some Orange County "gang" that was just 6 rich white kids who got their thrills beating up people at the gas station.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Fsu are not anarchists. Lol. They are also not "dicks" you probably just don't belong in the hardcore scene.

militant sXe = dicks. No ifs, ands or buts about that fact.

[Chimurenga.]

Fsu are not anarchists. Lol. They are also not "dicks" you probably just don't belong in the hardcore scene.

Yes, because a small group of people who participate in gang mentality (and set an inexcusable example for young and impressionable kids) at concerts get to decide who does or who doesn't belong in the "hardcore scene". LOL, what "scene"?

[Stand Your Ground]

If I go to a show and get assaulted for drinking a beer that's a pretty dick move.
I like their SXE ideas but not the militant shit.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Being straight-edge and HARDLINE are completely two different things. I don't know if FSU are hardline, but if they are (kind of sounds like it) then fuck them. Hardcore doesn't need any more assholes.

[the last donut of the night]

http://www.dobi.nu/yourscenesucks/sxe/index.htm

so true.

[The Douche]

FSU is not an edge crew.


Yes, because a small group of people who participate in gang mentality (and set an inexcusable example for young and impressionable kids) at concerts get to decide who does or who doesn't belong in the "hardcore scene". LOL, what "scene"?

If you can't hang, then I don't give a fuck.


If I go to a show and get assaulted for drinking a beer that's a pretty dick move.

Has nothing to do with FSU.



LOL at all you suburban nerds talking about a "gang" you know nothing about.

[Chimurenga.]

If you can't hang, then I don't give a fuck.

You're so tough, bro.


LOL at all you suburban nerds talking about a "gang" you know nothing about.

LOL at you being the suburban nerd who sticks up for a group who would never give you the time of day. Herd mentality FTW!

[The Douche]

You're so tough, bro.

What's sad is that anybody would not be tough enough to go to a hardcore show. Or would get butthurt enough over being moshed on or stared down to whine about it on the internet.


LOL at you being the suburban nerd who sticks up for a group who would never give you the time of day. Herd mentality FTW!

Is that how things work now? When somebody has real life experience to discount our own opinions, we just call them a liar? I have friends in FSU, I literally hung out with FSU dudes on Friday night. Aren't we FB friends? There are FSU dudes in my friends list on there...

[gorillafuck]

Weren't FSU the crew that was notorious for the whole Boston Beatdown thing?

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

LOL at all you suburban nerds talking about a "gang" you know nothing about.

Haha, I don't know where you got suburban nerd from my post but FSU are indeed a militant straight edge "brotherhood".

[black magick hustla]

Fsu are not anarchists. Lol. They are also not "dicks" you probably just don't belong in the hardcore scene.

most of the hardcore scene is made up of dicks imo

[The Douche]

Haha, I don't know where you got suburban nerd from my post but FSU are indeed a militant straight edge "brotherhood".

Oh word? Thanks for telling me what the people I know are up to.

[The Douche]

most of the hardcore scene is made up of dicks imo

Yeah that's why I put it in quotes. I don't think they're anymore dickish than any other crew or myself or my friends. I just think its a culture that goes completely over people's heads and then they pick up on the most outrageous and exagerated portions of it and run wild with it.

[black magick hustla]

i like more the grindcore scene admittedly im not really into scenes that much. cultural ghettoes suck

[gorillafuck]

Were FSU the group that was most associated with the whole Boston beatdown thing or not? Everything I've heard about FSU indicates they're a group of losers and tools who just like to start fights. That said, I haven't met any FSU members.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Were FSU the group that was most associated with the whole Boston beatdown thing or not? Everything I've heard about FSU indicates they're a group of losers and tools who just like to start fights. That said, I haven't met any FSU members.

Yep, that would be them. I support their stance on neo-nazis but thats as far as it goes.

[The Douche]

Were FSU the group that was most associated with the whole Boston beatdown thing or not? Everything I've heard about FSU indicates they're a group of losers and tools who just like to start fights. That said, I haven't met any FSU members.

Yes that is FSU.

Have you seen boston beatdown? They didn't pick many of those fights, they went out to what used to be their neighborhoods (before they got gentrified) and refused to take shit off a bunch of middle class college kids...come to think of it, I understand why revleft posters hate them so much...:rolleyes:

I have accidently hit quite a few FSU members over the past couple years, and not once have I been jumped for it. Nor has an FSU member ever picked a fight at any show I've been to. But if you get uppity they're gonna slap you back down. As far as I'm concerned, thats just real life.

[Chimurenga.]

What's sad is that anybody would not be tough enough to go to a hardcore show. Or would get butthurt enough over being moshed on or stared down to whine about it on the internet.

Actually, prior to this past year, I was involved with hardcore for six years. I booked bands, I've played in bands, I've run venues, and I've toured. It turned out to be the biggest waste of time and money consider how I lost a lot of both.

It's people like you who sincerely and childishly say things like you just typed above that are one of the reasons why I no longer involve myself in that shit. I've come across a good number of people like yourself when I was involved who are completely immature, docile, and boring. Unfortunately, hardcore is compromised of the same sheep as yourself and has been, well, since it was started.


I have friends in FSU, I literally hung out with FSU dudes on Friday night. Aren't we FB friends? There are FSU dudes in my friends list on there...

Super cool brag, man. I know of enough personal accounts from actually meeting and discussing with people through the years to trump your little "night out".

And no, we're not. I guess I was doing a damn good job of preventing that.

[gorillafuck]

Yes that is FSU.
Alright.


Have you seen boston beatdown? They didn't pick many of those fights, they went out to what used to be their neighborhoods (before they got gentrified) and refused to take shit off a bunch of middle class college kids...come to think of it, I understand why revleft posters hate them so much...:rolleyes:
Yeah I've seen most of Boston beatdown.


I have accidently hit quite a few FSU members over the past couple years, and not once have I been jumped for it. Nor has an FSU member ever picked a fight at any show I've been to. But if you get uppity they're gonna slap you back down. As far as I'm concerned, thats just real life.
I'm a bit skeptical of your image of them, I doubt that the most notoriously violent group of people (again, I haven't met them since I don't live in a city and there isn't really violence in the New Hampshire punk scene) in the hardcore scene are actually not even setting out to pick fights. You're in the military, have you ever considered that they don't pick on you because you probably look pretty fucking tough?

[The Douche]

Actually, prior to this past year, I was involved with hardcore for six years. I booked bands, I've played in bands, I've run venues, and I've toured. It turned out to be the biggest waste of time and money consider how I lost a lot of both.

It's people like you who sincerely and childishly say things like you just typed above that are one of the reasons why I no longer involve myself in that shit. I've come across a good number of people like yourself when I was involved who are completely immature, docile, and boring. Unfortunately, hardcore is compromised of the same sheep as yourself and has been, well, since it was started.

If your heart's not in it, then get out. I could care less. You lost time and money? Boo hoo, we all make sacrifices for the things we love and care about. My life would not be the same if it wasn't for hardcore, and I don't mind giving up stuff to make sure that other kids have the oppotunity to share in the community.

Keep up the "jaded old guy" thing though, thats real original.


Super cool brag, man. I know of enough personal accounts from actually meeting and discussing with people through the years to trump your little "night out".

And no, we're not. I guess I was doing a damn good job of preventing that.

Cool man. Still going on with your whole "your experience is different from mine, you must be a liar" deal.:thumbup1:


I'm a bit skeptical of your image of them, I doubt that the most notoriously violent group of people (again, I haven't met them since I don't live in a city and there isn't really violence in the New Hampshire punk scene) in the hardcore scene are actually not even setting out to pick fights.

People exagerate things all the time. But I probably have different ideas of what constitutes "picking a fight" than many people (esp on here).


You're in the military, have you ever considered that they don't pick on you because you probably look pretty fucking tough?

Aside from my tattoos I do not look intimidating. I am like 5 foot 9 and 150 lbs, I am a relatively small dude. They don't pick on me cause a) I don't whine and cry when I get moshed on or whatever and b) cause I know people and c) cause I can hang.

[gorillafuck]

People exagerate things all the time. But me and many people (esp on here) probably have different ideas of what constitutes "picking a fight".
I consider picking a fight to be starting fights over silly things. Do they not do that? In Boston beatdown, which for the record I watched about half a year ago, it seemed like they were aware that they pick fights.


Aside from my tattoos I do not look intimidating. I am like 5 foot 9 and 150 lbs, I am a relatively small dude.
Fair enough. Most military people look tough, sorry for my assumption.


They don't pick on me cause a) I don't whine and cry when I get moshed on or whatever and b) cause I know people and c) cause I can hang.
If they actually start fights with people for not liking getting moshed on, then they're just being dumb and petty.

[The Douche]

I consider picking a fight to be starting fights over silly things. Do they not do that? In Boston beatdown, which for the record I watched about half a year ago, it seemed like they were aware that they pick fights.


I dunno. Like, most of the fights we because somebody said something rude to one of them or their girlfriends. Which is at least, not an uncommon reason to fight, though I can see why it would be seen as petty.


If they actually start fights with people for not liking getting moshed on, then they're just being dumb and petty.

On friday some of them stomped out a dude at my venue. The guy got moshed on, and then swung on one of them, so he got rolled up. One of them moshed on me, we just nodded and high fived. The kid who swung on one of them had never been to a hardcore show before, so some people would say it was unreasonable, but what I think is unreasonable is to go to a show full of people you don't know, playing a kind of music you aren't familiar with, and doing things totally alien to you, and then thinking you can just act however you want and there won't be consequences.

When I first started going to shows I was totally intimidated, but fascinated, and yeah I got hurt, but I never got to big for my britches, and over time I learned some things and met some people.

[gorillafuck]

I dunno. Like, most of the fights we because somebody said something rude to one of them or their girlfriends. Which is at least, not an uncommon reason to fight, though I can see why it would be seen as petty.
That is petty, but that's not uncommon yeah. You think FSU's violence stems from people insulting them or their girlfriends and stuff like that?

There are venues that have banned FSU shirts and displays of any sort. Obviously venues and people who book shows have noticed a pattern.


On friday some of them stomped out a dude at my venue. The guy got moshed on, and then swung on one of them, so he got rolled up. One of them moshed on me, we just nodded and high fived. The kid who swung on one of them had never been to a hardcore show before, so some people would say it was unreasonable, but what I think is unreasonable is to go to a show full of people you don't know, playing a kind of music you aren't familiar with, and doing things totally alien to you, and then thinking you can just act however you want and there won't be consequences.
I'm not referring to people who swing at them first. They've been accused of some pretty extreme things beyond scuffles.


When I first started going to shows I was totally intimidated, but fascinated, and yeah I got hurt, but I never got to big for my britches, and over time I learned some things and met some people.
I wish I was better at meeting people at shows, I'm wicked shy when it comes to approaching people I don't already know. Then maybe I'd be able to actually be in a band. :blushing:

Punk shows in NH don't happen much anymore, it blows.

[The Douche]

That is petty, but that's not uncommon yeah. You think FSU's violence stems from people insulting them or their girlfriends and stuff like that?

In Boston beatdown? Yes, its street kids from Boston versus yuppies. In the parts of it where its at shows or whatever, I'm sure that is personal beef that I wouldn't know anything about.


There are venues that have banned FSU shirts and displays of any sort. Obviously venues and people who book shows have noticed a pattern.

The pattern being, FSU doesn't let anything slide. And kids nowadays are quick to press charges and sue.


I'm not referring to people who swing at them first. They've been accused of some pretty extreme things beyond scuffles.

As far as I know, only one of two dudes have died because of FSU and I know one of them was an accidental death. Maybe some stabbings here or there, but that shit was around in hardcore way before FSU. Obviously I don't like seeing kids stabbed, but its a bit hypocritical since I don't see anything wrong with them getting kicked in the head. :unsure:


Punk shows in NH don't happen much anymore, it blows.

There are hardcore bands in my area but they never play hometown shows. The only times they do are when we bring other touring bands in and set it all up. It sucks.

[The Douche]

Also I think its funny how controversial it was for me to say FSU is not a big deal and that I know FSU dudes.

I also know people from the volksfront episode, and no, not the good guys...

[black magick hustla]

idk what venues you guys go to but in the few shows ive been most hardcore kids are skinny as fuck

[The Douche]

idk what venues you guys go to but in the few shows ive been most hardcore kids are skinny as fuck

:confused:

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/307278/Blood+for+Blood.jpg

http://www.returntothepit.com/rttppics/colin_of_arabia061_564154.jpg

http://upload.metalrage.com/DBD_-_band.jpg

[NoOneIsIllegal]

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/115/l_d247f34654f5b209d162854a06b3a4f1.jpg

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Also I think its funny how controversial it was for me to say FSU is not a big deal and that I know FSU dudes.

I also know people from the volksfront episode, and no, not the good guys...

Why do you feel the need to say this? Is there a Revleft award for the most bad ass member?

[The Douche]

Why do you feel the need to say this? Is there a Revleft award for the most bad ass member?

Bro, this is chit chat, where we come to bullshit and talk about funny things, our problems, personal lives etc.

If there was a most bad ass member I would vote for Devrim.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Bro, this is chit chat, where we come to bullshit and talk about funny things, our problems, personal lives etc.

Fair enough.;)

[L.A.P.]

after the second episode of watching this I just concluded that this show was full of shit.

[ed miliband]

You're damn wrong.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I got bored yesterday and watched the Asian Boyz episode and the Mexican Mafia episode. I never knew that the MM was so big, I thought that it was just a prison thing...

[Amphictyonis]

Fuck them. I drink and do (some) drugs and would laugh if they came around shows in the Bay Area. It's good they beat up Nazi's and all but to go around beating up people who drink is just fucking stupid.

[synthesis]

Reading about the FSU, it seems to me that the idea of "straight-edge" at least partially originated in the need to morally justify why they were robbing drug dealers. I'm not saying I disapprove.

[The Douche]

jesus christ, fsu is not an edge crew.

And FSU is all over the bay area.

[synthesis]

I meant more "Elgin James" in particular.

[The Douche]

I meant more "Elgin James" in particular.

Ah, yeah, well, I don't know Elgin personally, but I'm 99% sure he is still edge, so I would say he was in it for me than a justification for robbing dealers. FSU...maybe...you could say started as a justification to rob dealers, but robbing them was probably just a positive by-product of smashing them up and getting them out of the scene.

[synthesis]

you could say started as a justification to rob dealers, but robbing them was probably just a positive by-product of smashing them up and getting them out of the scene.
:lol:

[EvilRedGuy]

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/115/l_d247f34654f5b209d162854a06b3a4f1.jpg

Is he trying to breath after all that food?

[The Douche]

:lol:

You don't think people could be motivated simply by the desire to get rid of drugs? Especially if they see their friends and family ruin their lives/die through the use of said drugs?

[synthesis]

You don't think people could be motivated simply by the desire to get rid of drugs? Especially if they see their friends and family ruin their lives/die through the use of said drugs?

I find it far more likely that they were motivated by the allure of robbing people for large sums of money about which they can't call the cops in response. If people want to believe they did this kind of shit because their hearts were full of rainbows and Care Bears, I can't stop you.

[The Douche]

Certainly, nobody's heart's were filled with compassion and love when they smashed people with hammers hahahaha.

But it seems to me like maybe you just don't understand the edge? (and what it can motivate people to do)

But really I'm not defending the beating up of drug dealers, I just wanted to point out some of the very incorrect statements about FSU.

[khad]

It was certainly informative for me. For some reason, I always thought FSU was an edge crew, probably because of Elgin's personal beliefs. I would rep you, but this thread is in chit chat.

[Kléber]

Yeah. I really hate the "MTV style" editing that the show features, with jittery jump cuts every second. :rolleyes:
These editing methods were actually experimentally pioneered by Soviet filmmakers like Lev Kuleshov, Sergei Eisenstein and Dziga Vertov, only to be disgraced and abandoned for many years after the official endorsement of "socialist realism."

[southernmissfan]

I watch the show occasionally. Couldn't help but laughed when they mentioned "embalming fluid" and failed to even state that it was a slang term for PCP.

[Nolan]

The Volksfront episode just came on.

[synthesis]

Certainly, nobody's heart's were filled with compassion and love when they smashed people with hammers hahahaha.

But it seems to me like maybe you just don't understand the edge? (and what it can motivate people to do)

But really I'm not defending the beating up of drug dealers, I just wanted to point out some of the very incorrect statements about FSU.

I guess it would be more accurate to say that straight-edge could be used as a justification for robbing drug dealers, not that it originated as such. I'm sure they themselves believed they were doing a positive thing.