RCP at Burning Man?

[theblackmask]

http://revcom.us/a/212/burning_man-en.html

Seriously? I bet you half the people there thought the New Synthesis was some new kind of LSD. The RCP just gets loonier and loonier.


We installed a large flashing neon version of Bob Avakian's image in the midst of the art on the playa.

Just wow.

[Amphictyonis]

There's already a thread on this somewhere (where I made fun of Bob and Co) but if I had to say something positive- at least they're not a bunch of Nazi's recruiting acid taking dope smoking zombies in the middle of nowhere?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Crikey, this is a bit tragic.

Bob Avakian needs to realise he's Bob Avakian, not 'Chairman Avakian, leader of the great revolution'.

[Crux]

Another young Latina ran up to a person wearing the image shirt. Poking him in the chest, she demanded, "I've got to know, you've got to tell me, Who Is This?!" The three enlarged images along the highway to Burning Man had seemed hundreds to her. She saw the cards everywhere. Then, she and her friends were walking on "the playa" at night when they came across the image of the Chairman flashing brightly. "We were so frustrated! We all sat down right there for a half-hour, trying to figure out who it was."

Oh come on this is awesome! And very surreal.

[Palingenisis]

Let's hope that Bob gets committed to a mental hospital before he discredits Maoism more...And I dont mean that in a nasty way...The guy is obviously having a psychotic elation.

[RED DAVE]

Let's hope that Bob gets committed to a mental hospital before he discredits Maoism more...And I dont mean that in a nasty way...The guy is obviously having a psychotic elation.I think that Bob is perfectly in line with the history of Maoism.

RED DAVE

[Saorsa]

I think Posada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Posadas) is perfectly in line with the history of Trotskyism.

[Vanguard1917]

It's safe to say that the Posadas phenomenon took the biscuit, but it's always genuinely sad to see the development of these personality cults.

[black magick hustla]

I think Posada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Posadas) is perfectly in line with the history of Trotskyism.

tbh posada was fine until he got tortured the shit out of him

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Comrade A is obviously ignorant. Anybody who hasn't realized that socialism should be brought from above is obviously a reactionary idiot. Socialism on one planet is a sign that the bureaucratic regime is stifling worker democracy which will bring about the reemergence of capitalism.

But to be serious how far is too far when it comes to pushing for this cult of personality? Especially when the person hasn't really done much for the movement yet? Maybe it'd be different if Bob Avakian's "New Synthesis" has actually been met with real gains in the States.

[Palingenisis]

tbh posada was fine until he got tortured the shit out of him

Fair enough....But have you ever considered the possiblity that Bob Avakian has a chemical imbalance in his brain?

[The Red Next Door]

There are plenty of communist leaders here. sam web(social democrat who like to wear the hammer and sickle), Brian Becker, etc etc.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Hippie festivals are totally the place to recruit for cults, so it really makes perfect sense. Everyone's already performing MKULTRA-style experiments on themselves, so you might as well take advantage of the situation, right?

[black magick hustla]

Fair enough....But have you ever considered the possiblity that Bob Avakian has a chemical imbalance in his brain?

tbh i was just making it clear because i think the mocking of Posadas is very disrespectful. His mind was broken by state thugs because he did what he thought was right.

[Obs]

Notice how they feel the need to stress that it was a "Latina" who approached them. The RCP is the whitest Party in the Northern hemisphere.

[Weezer]

I think Posada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Posadas) is perfectly in line with the history of Trotskyism.

It's easy to poke fun at the insane.

[Wanted Man]

Notice how they feel the need to stress that it was a "Latina" who approached them. The RCP is the whitest Party in the Northern hemisphere.

They are always spontaneously approached by young non-white working-class females from the ghetto who think Bob is "totally rad" (italics or quotation marks inserted by Revolution). That's just how awesome they are.

[thriller]

I believe the RCP states that it's members must refrain from alcohol and drug use, for the reason that revolution can happen any minute, so you shouldn't be intoxicated. Yet they are at Burning Man. WTF?!?

[black magick hustla]

I'm sure Bob Avakian also does what he think is right.

he didnt end in a godforsaken military base with fucking wires attached to his back though

[Saorsa]

tbh i was just making it clear because i think the mocking of Posadas is very disrespectful. His mind was broken by state thugs because he did what he thought was right. Fair nuf. You're right of course.

I was making a sarcastic response to Dave's latest sectarian attack on Maoism... In retrospect my comments were in poor taste.

Dave brought up an example of a Maoist leader who went crazy. I brought up an example of a trotskyist leader who went crazy. There are more examples on both sides of the fence, but I don't think any of them prove that either tendency has an innate drive towards crazy leaders.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

There are more examples on both sides of the fence, but I don't think any of them prove that either tendency has an innate drive towards crazy leaders.

Anarchists, on the other hand?
Almost exclusively criminals plagued by mad visions.

Not coincidentally, better luck turning on anarchists at burning man that recruiting Maoists, I suspect.

Despite that, fuck burning man, and fuck bourgie hippie vulture skeezebags.

[Saorsa]

Anarchists, on the other hand? Almost exclusively criminals plagued by mad visions.

Of course. That goes without saying.

[Devrim]

I'm sure Bob Avakian also does what he think is right.

I think that communists have to have an understanding of the damage that torture does to people. Maybe it effects us here more than people in many other countries. After the 1980 coup about 1% of the population was detained by the security forces. Many of them were tortured. Even today it still goes on. A personal friend of mine works in the physiotherapy section of the torture rehabilitation section in a local hospital. I think I would be right in presuming that most hospitals in the West don't have this department.

Some people come out of it mentally OK. Others it scars terribly. We have members of our organisation who have immense difficulties in their family lives as a result of people damaged after being tortured following the 1980 coup.

Juan Posadas went mental. We all know this. There is no shame or fault in it, and he shouldn't be mocked.

What there is a problem with is that his organisation, rather than caring for him, and looking after him, allowed him to behave as he did, and come out with all of these things publicly.

Devrim

[Jimmie Higgins]

Notice how they feel the need to stress that it was a "Latina" who approached them. The RCP is the whitest Party in the Northern hemisphere.Actually they were moderately successful in attracting some young people of color after the Oscar Grant murder here in Oakland.

It can be easy to make fun of the RCP from time to time because I think the weird pictures of Bob are strange and a lot of what they do is odd to me, but to be fair they are pretty active around here (at least in promoting their group) and I think have been able to tap into the impatient sentiment of some people and have some moderate success. Everybody in the working class is under attack and there is no real resistance - no official resistance from liberals and liberal groups, while the left is small and largely ignored so many people do not know about a lot of the small fight-back that happens. So the RCP has a convenient message: the problem is that not everyone has gotten on board with these great ideas - once everyone hears about the new synthesis then things will really change. It's similar, I think, in the boost that insurrectionist ideas have had recently: there is no real resistance or organized working class forces, so fuck all that, let's just DO something!

[RED DAVE]

Actually they were moderately successful in attracting some young people of color after the Oscar Grant murder here in Oakland.

It can be easy to make fun of the RCP from time to time because I think the weird pictures of Bob are strange and a lot of what they do is odd to me, but to be fair they are pretty active around here (at least in promoting their group) and I think have been able to tap into the impatient sentiment of some people and have some moderate success. Everybody in the working class is under attack and there is no real resistance - no official resistance from liberals and liberal groups, while the left is small and largely ignored so many people do not know about a lot of the small fight-back that happens. So the RCP has a convenient message: the problem is that not everyone has gotten on board with these great ideas - once everyone hears about the new synthesis then things will really change. It's similar, I think, in the boost that insurrectionist ideas have had recently: there is no real resistance or organized working class forces, so fuck all that, let's just DO something!Basically, then, they've done nothing significant even in these rough times.

RED DAVE

[Jimmie Higgins]

Basically, then, they've done nothing significant even in these rough times.

RED DAVEWell from my perspective no. But still, I don't think its true to say that all their members are white when I have met and seen several young people of color who have joined them recently. Don't worry, there's still far from a shortage of other things to criticize them about:lol:.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Actually they were moderately successful in attracting some young people of color after the Oscar Grant murder here in Oakland.

It can be easy to make fun of the RCP from time to time because I think the weird pictures of Bob are strange and a lot of what they do is odd to me, but to be fair they are pretty active around here (at least in promoting their group) and I think have been able to tap into the impatient sentiment of some people and have some moderate success. Everybody in the working class is under attack and there is no real resistance - no official resistance from liberals and liberal groups, while the left is small and largely ignored so many people do not know about a lot of the small fight-back that happens. So the RCP has a convenient message: the problem is that not everyone has gotten on board with these great ideas - once everyone hears about the new synthesis then things will really change. It's similar, I think, in the boost that insurrectionist ideas have had recently: there is no real resistance or organized working class forces, so fuck all that, let's just DO something!

Speaking of Oscar Grant, on Jul 20th the RCP and the PSL were the two(i didnt see the ISO or IBT/IMT or anything) commie orgs out there amongst other orgs like Souljah and the ILWU at walnut creek.

i kind of think of them as well intended uberhyperactive commies. They are straight to the point but thats all. they are almost completely about the point.
yes we get it, revolution is what we need. yes i get it, you apparently have the leadership. yes, i have heard of Bob Avakian, and no, i have not read any of his syntheses. Didnt i see you last month?

[Jimmie Higgins]

Speaking of Oscar Grant, on Jul 20th the RCP and the PSL were the two(i didnt see the ISO or IBT/IMT or anything) commie orgs out there amongst other orgs like Souljah and the ILWU at walnut creek.

i kind of think of them as well intended uberhyperactive commies. They are straight to the point but thats all. they are almost completely about the point.
yes we get it, revolution is what we need. yes i get it, you apparently have the leadership. yes, i have heard of Bob Avakian, and no, i have not read any of his syntheses. Didnt i see you last month?Yeah, I wasn't able to make it to that counterprotest and I really wanted to (of course the pigs choose a monday in the middle of the day to have their pro-murder protest), but people in my branch were there along with a bunch of our allies in the coalition. I don't know what other groups were there, but the RCP has been present at most of the protests and have been acting like they are leading the movement.

Really my only problem with them is their entire conception of the path to socialism :D. Anarchists created a straw-man version of Leninism and somehow it came into existence in our reality and is called the RCP. I'm sure all their members are sincere and well-meaning, but I think the idea that revolutionary consciousness can only exist in one party and even then is only really fully internalized and realized in individual leaders... well I don't think it would help the working class develop its own rule... and it's a bit frightening to me.

[The Douche]

Anarchists created a straw-man version of Leninism and somehow it came into existence in our reality and is called the RCP

:lol:

You do have a point, sir.

[Orange Juche]

I think that Bob is perfectly in line with the history of Maoism.

RED DAVE

The history of apeshit-bananas ego-cults?