The Earth Liberation Front

[Rastafari]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...23029&e=1&ncid= (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ibsys/20030802/lo_kgtv/1723029&e=1&ncid=)
they are being blamed for an attack today, and I say hurray for them.

I have always been behind the E.L.F., and may they continue to cause a realization of the Earthly situation. God knows someone has to

[Hampton]

Why are they burning down people's apartments? Are they just burning down apartements for the hell of it?

[Rastafari]

I guess they were just making the point that people don't need to encroach into nature at the rate that they are. "Eco-Terrorist" is an odd term, though. That would be one who was fucking with the environment, a la Captain Planet, right?


Well, keep fighting, and remember kids...
The Power is Yours!
http://www.aowz68.dsl.pipex.com/cartoons/captainplanet/captainplanetlogo.gif
ah, nothing better than a green mullet

[Hampton]

I guess that makes sence, but, if you really wanted to show your disaproval for encrouching on mother nature couldn't you just burn some logging trucks or something. Hmmm, I think Capt. Planet may have switched his alliances over to Ted Turner aka Controller of Media.

http://www.brakpage.com/images/captainplanet_turner.gif

[Rastafari]

yeah, he's totally darkside now, i'm afraid.
The mullet, with power, corrupt.

[Vinny Rafarino]

The green mullet...how amazingly funny...I don't know who this "captain planet" character is...but iny kat with a green mullet is okay in my book.


I feel their motives are a bit misguided, but I can't help admiring their tactics.

[stonerboi]

Hampton, the ELF are not burning down houses/flats with people in them and they are not buring down buildings in urban areas for normal people to live in.

What they are doing is that they are buring down wasteful building site that are usually built in environmentally clean areas and are built EXCLUSIVLY for the rich and wealthy.

I saw a news report about the ELF buring down a holiday complex that was intended for film celebrities and the super-rich. These wealthy parasites have enough homes and shouldn't destroy the planet for their own selfish ends.

In my opinion unless homes are intended for those who need them (homeless and the poor) we should do all we can to stop them being built because they will simply exist to empower the wealthy even more.

[Rastafari]

absolutely

Read the Monkey Wrench Gang

[Hampton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 09:08 AM
Hampton, the ELF are not burning down houses/flats with people in them and they are not buring down buildings in urban areas for normal people to live in.

What they are doing is that they are buring down wasteful building site that are usually built in environmentally clean areas and are built EXCLUSIVLY for the rich and wealthy.

I saw a news report about the ELF buring down a holiday complex that was intended for film celebrities and the super-rich. These wealthy parasites have enough homes and shouldn't destroy the planet for their own selfish ends.

In my opinion unless homes are intended for those who need them (homeless and the poor) we should do all we can to stop them being built because they will simply exist to empower the wealthy even more.
Ahhh ok, the article was a litle vague, that's pretty admirable I suppose, it certainly gets the point across.

[Nobody]

They also razed a couple of ski resorts being built in Colorado to protest the cutting down of the forest. Now it is sooooooooooo expensive (high insurance) to build ski resorts in the area.

:ph34r: ELF :ph34r:

[bluerev002]

Have there ever been any deaths or injuries from previos attacks? :unsure:

[Nobody]

Well, not the ELF, I think. There was a group called the ALF, a=animal. They placed bombs in packages they gave to animal reserchers. I think they killed one guy, but at a mininum, they wanted to kill him.

[Xvall]

I'm alright with the Earth Liberation Front. I actually know one or two people who are 'involved', although I'm not going to disperse with their names. I've always liked them, although sometimes I think that burning stuff down isn't a good way to help the environment. Keep in mind that the Earth Liberation Front isn't an actual orginization. There is no headquarters, there is no party, there are no membership applications. All members are self proclaimed protectors of the environment, and they (mostly) work alone, or in small groups. When something questionable happens, it's not like the 'chairman' of the Earth Liberation Front can just discharge the person. It's a cause, not an orginization. Their orginization style is a lot like that of 'The Left'. It's more of a concept, really. 'The Left' is viewed as a group, although there is no literal leader of 'The Left', nor does 'The Left' have applications, or a headquarters. The same can be said about 'The Right', and the same can be said about ELF. This is to make sure that the cause is not destroyed. The police can never really 'crack down' on the ELF, because they have no clue who is part of it, or how to obtain such information. I'll stop babbling now.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 06:05 PM
Well, not the ELF, I think. There was a group called the ALF, a=animal. They placed bombs in packages they gave to animal reserchers. I think they killed one guy, but at a mininum, they wanted to kill him.
Actually, I think they found the leader of the ALF some time back in the 80's!

http://www.watchnetmedia.com/alf.jpg
hey, why spoil it?

[Rastafari]

bump. we need local chapters.

In the Town of New Haven
Venice
Chicago

etc.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

The question I have about the ELF is this: are their tactics effective?

I was reading a magazine article about them burning some awful, wasteful building down in Colorado, I believe (it was encroaching on the habitat of some endangered animal). After the arson, the owners of the buildings collected their insurance and rebuilt larger buildings on the same sites. Even worse than that, the public opinion was sympathetic to the landlords. The ELF only looked insane. Did this promote any kind of class struggle or radical environmentalist agenda? I would say no, and the reaction made the situation even worse.

[pedro san pedro]

i agree with min -apart from the ski resort instance mentioned above (i believe the cost from damages was $11 million!). the elf tends to marginilize the environmental movement, and as they have no structure, they have no real spokepeople -therefore their message is always lost in the mainstream media's coverage.
direct action, while an effective campaigning tool, rarely wins a campaign. DA's are most effective for drwaing support to a campaign. actions such as these tend to take mainstream support away.

i believe that the elf does not endorse violence towards living beings -be they human or non-human. i know for a fact that the alf does not (or at least no longer does).

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Actually, I may have the makeup of an eco terrorist myself, as I had a series of posts with somebody here (from montreal, but I forget who exactly, I think it was Zombie) who said he throws eggs at SUVs. I independently had come up with the idea of drilling holes in SUV tires at night, so that people would consider it a risk to buy one. He suggested doing damage to the entire truck, which is okay also, i guess.

[Rastafari]

all you have to do is poor water in a gas tank... I drive by where a beautiful forest used to be. Now they are building 150,000+ homes. It makes me so mad i could see myself doing very irrational things...giving those construction goons a few days off...