When is the world communist revolution going to happen?

[promethean]

When is it going to happen, comrades? Does anyone have any serious opinions on this? Thanks.

[Widerstand]

No one knows for certain. I for one believe we must construct additional pylons.

[Aloysius]

Not soon enough, comrade...

[Pretty Flaco]

Forgot a world communist revolution, I'm waiting on the intergalactic communist revolution!

[Magón]

Is this a serious question? I mean, do you really want a serious answer, because the most accurate serious answer to give is, "I/We don't know." None of us can say or see into the future (far as I know, none of us can,) so it's all just random speculation. The best thing to do, is maybe actually try and get organizations that have some motivating power, to actually start getting on the people about it. Actually start showing them more and more about radical thinking. Then you can have your revolution in 25-50 100+ years, whatever.

[Apoi_Viitor]

Over night.

[¿Que?]

Actually it happened yesterday. It was all over the news, you didn't see it? Yup. So don't worry about paying any bills, or rent, or debts or anything cuz it's all good!

[Apoi_Viitor]

Actually, I take that back. The Communism Revolution won't happen until man is transformed into a race of trans-humanist, cybernetic dragons.

[DaComm]

Tomorrow, of course.

[Magón]

Still one needs to have a general idea of when the world revolution might happen to actually work towards such an aim. I personally believe that the world revolution is on the cards within the next century.

The revolution will begin when the working class gets off the track that Capitalism is good or at least reasonable, and starts speaking out against their oppressors. When this happens, that's when the revolution will begin, I'm positive!

But like I said, the Unions, etc. all need to start doing these small time actions, and actually start thinking big by talking to the bigger masses.

[Pretty Flaco]

Still one needs to have a general idea of when the world revolution might happen to actually work towards such an aim. I personally believe that the world revolution is on the cards within the next century.

The entire world in a century? maybe a country or two, but definitely not the whole wide world.

[Manic Impressive]

I'm ready when you are comrades

[Die Rote Fahne]

If you mean, when will capitalism completely end? Probably after a couple of hundred years.

The revolution is very unlikely to take place all over the world at once. In fact, I'd label that as an impossibility.

Revolutions will occur in single nations, and as communism grows form nation to nation, it will eventually become continental, and working class unity will grow world wide.

This will take a long time. I mean, these nations need to have the "dictatorship of the proletariat" before they reach communism. That alone could last a nice few decades for each nation.

Example -> Revolution in Brazil. Brazil becomes socialist with the "dictatorship OF the proletariat". 12 years later a Revolution occurs in Mexico. Mexico achieves the dictatorship of the proletariat. THen peru 5 years later, the columbia 7 years later, then Argentina 5 years later then the whole of South and Central America. Probably after 50 years. They work together as socialist nations and together they all reach the communist stage eventually.

It's not going to happen overnight. And my prediction of a couple hundred years may be a little too soon.

[Magón]

If you mean, when will capitalism completely end? Probably after a couple of hundred years.

The revolution is very unlikely to take place all over the world at once. In fact, I'd label that as an impossibility.

As Marx said, revolutions will occur in single nations, and as communism grows form nation to nation, working class unity will get tighter and we will see a communist globe.

This will take a long time. I mean, these nations need to have the "dictatorship of the proletariat" before they reach communism. That alone could last a nice few decades for each nation.

No they don't, that's what the revolution is for, changing peoples minds to Communist/Anarchist Society. None of this middle man crap.

[Die Rote Fahne]

No they don't, that's what the revolution is for, changing peoples minds to Communist/Anarchist Society. None of this middle man crap.

:rolleyes: herp derp anarchy. I didn't post here to debate Marxism and Anarchism.

I believe the thread said "communist" revolution, not anarchist. And the poster had Lenin as his avatar and Marxist in his name. Seems clear to me he was asking the opinion of Marxists.

Also, I respect you. Don't jump down my throat. I used to be an anarchist, and I would gladly support an anarchist revolution...were one to occur.

[Magón]

:rolleyes: herp derp anarchy.

I believe the thread said "communist" revolution, not anarchist.

And the poster had Lenin as his avatar and Marxist in his name.

Seems clear to me he was asking the opinion of Marxists.

Well when you get right down to it, Anarchist and Communist Societies (in theory) are pretty close to each other. (By that, I mean the end product in which everyone fought for.) Anarchists can fight for a Communist Revolution, and have. But I think it's better to just cut out the middle man for even a strictly Communist Revolution, and just get right down to the Communism.

[Die Rote Fahne]

Well when you get right down to it, Anarchist and Communist Societies (in theory) are pretty close to each other. (By that, I mean the end product in which everyone fought for.) Anarchists can fight for a Communist Revolution, and have. But I think it's better to just cut out the middle man for even a strictly Communist Revolution, and just get right down to the Communism.

And that's why you're an anarchist.

"This dictatorship consists in the manner of applying democracy, not in its elimination, but in energetic, resolute attacks upon the well-entrenched rights and economic relationships of bourgeois society, without which a socialist transformation cannot be accomplished. This dictatorship must be the work of the class and not of a little leading minority in the name of the class – that is, it must proceed step by step out of the active participation of the masses; it must be under their direct influence, subjected to the control of complete public activity; it must arise out of the growing political training of the mass of the people." - Rosa Luxemburg

[Animal Farm Pig]

Story from some of my older comrades: sometime in the early 1970's, using various statistics and mathematic formulae, they determined the world revolution would come about in 2007.

[ckaihatsu]

(Flipping open PDA)

Hmmmm, says here November 22nd at 10:39am.... Lessee, that's a Monday, so *that* makes sense.... Jeez, is there anything these things *can't* do these days...!

Hey, wait, how the fuck *did* that get there???

(Hey, which one of you fucks back there put this here on my PDA? *I* never told you the code to it...! Whadda ya mean you think it was Benji? That dude can't even *say* much more than "What's up braws", much less crack my freaking PDA.... He was *talking* about it??? When? Okay, but how does *he* know? "Because-his-pretentious-style-of-self-identity-actually-brought-him-into-contact-with-numerous-labor-militant-activists-representing-an-accurate-cross-section-of-the-world's-revolutionary-proletariat" -- ??? What the *fuck* kind of answer is *that*??? *That* dude is lucky if he matches both socks four days out of the week -- now he's a freaking social-scientist-slash-Nostradamus??? Yeah, I'll believe it when I see on Real World. Check, please!)

Okay, it's confirmed -- November 22nd at 10:39am. Um, synchronize your watches or something....


= D


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Seriously, though -- just so my post doesn't get summarily deleted -- there *could* very well be a point at which the *overhead* of outdated practices becomes too burdensome for the vast majority, even *despite* the lack of pro-active revolutionary activity. I'm not advising anyone to *not* be revolutionary-political, of course, but some social institutions -- like slavery, for example -- wind up being objectively displaced by capital's adoption of *newer* ways of exploiting labor, as with the wage-slavery system for immigrant labor.

Analogously, we might say that the rise of the &*#%[email protected]! service sector happened in a similar way -- more-backward and destructive labor practices in strictly blue-collar manufacturing gave way to... well, *nothing*, really, but at least people aren't starving and the yuppies get their coffee handed to them, piping-hot.... As usual "progress" under the status quo is a real mixed-bag....

Perhaps capitalism *will* hang itself with its own rope, or however that saying goes.... With all the digital stuff around there's less and less need to even *deal* with the physical world, and we can all eventually play "who's got the title deed" and "who's surrounding who" at some point, perhaps...(!) (Fingers crossed!)

[ckaihatsu]

Example -> Revolution in Brazil. Brazil becomes socialist with the "dictatorship OF the proletariat".


All Hail Lula, People's Emperor For Life!





But I think it's better to just cut out the middle man for even a strictly Communist Revolution, and just get right down to the Communism.




And then -- after that -- just get right down to the * fucking *...!





x D

[Kuppo Shakur]

When is the world communist revolution going to happen?
Aaarrrggghhh!

[AK]

When the material conditions are right :sleep:

No seriously. It's up to communists to agitate the working class to bring about those ideal conditions. There is no fucking set date. The entire economy can go to shit, but the working class can still remain indoctrinated to the capitalist bullshit.

[Diello]

Okay, it's confirmed -- November 22nd at 10:39am.

I do have to ask-- did you choose the anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination deliberately?

[ckaihatsu]

I do have to ask-- did you choose the anniversary of the John F. Kennedy assassination deliberately?


Oh, shit -- did I? No, not at all -- apologies....

[Diello]

Oh, shit -- did I? No, not at all -- apologies....

Oh, I wasn't offended or anything. (The only Kennedy assassination-related things that tend to offend me are A) tasteless cash-ins and B) mind-warpingly dumb conspiracy theories.) I just thought you might have been going for some sort of veiled significance.

You know, if Lee Harvey Oswald were alive today, I bet he'd spend a lot of time on this board.

[chegitz guevara]

I've scheduled it for tomorrow.

[ckaihatsu]

I've scheduled it for tomorrow.


Um, Fridays are bad for me -- that's the day for my political seminar, and tomorrow's is on the topic of "How to be politically effectual"....


x D


Can we just put the revolution off till next week? Looks like the weather'll be better, too -- thanks, I'm penciling it in now, as we speak!


x D

[Vendetta]

When is it going to happen, comrades? Does anyone have any serious opinions on this? Thanks.

When you actually start doing something to further the goal of revolution, not just posting about why its not happening on the internet. ;)

[Cowboy Killer]

At the rate were going I think the real question here is "Are we going to have any leftist revolution before capitalism destroys the world?"

[jmpeer]

Once we organize our discussion and our activities as a whole, then we might be considered a threat again. Once the masses understand, then we might have revolution.

[Q]

21st of December 2012


As mentioned, some believe cataclysmic events will take place in December 2012 with the ultimate destruction occurring on December 21, 2012.

And


Furthermore, claims are made that members of the Illuminati aided the rise of Communism.

Read the Truth (tm) on: http://www.2012endofdays.org/

Also, please move this to Chit-Chat.

[bcbm]

never.

[ckaihatsu]

never.


...When people, in greater numbers, stop saying, "Never."

[Tatarin]

If certain physicists are right in their theories, the revolution happens every day, have happened every day - have never happened and will never happen, and everything to and in between. We just happen to be born in the wrong time, and maybe in the wrong universe. :(

Hey guys, maybe communism isn't all that good? What if a society became communist trillion of years ago in another universe, became so advanced, and one day decided to create a whole universe as an experiment to see what human society would be like without a revolution (or a reality where the USSR did collapse) - and we're living in it!!!

Or ''we'' can do it like they did in Lost... not the part where they crashed and cooperated and survived and where this 1 guy (coincidentally American) is the only one who refuses to help and act as a capitalist is hated by everyone - but the other part where they dropped a nuke in a well and reality split into two... maybe that'll work?

[gorillafuck]

If you mean, when will capitalism completely end? Probably after a couple of hundred years.
I doubt that, if capitalism will falls (which I think it will), it would take "a couple hundred years".

[soyonstout]

If you mean, when will capitalism completely end? Probably after a couple of hundred years.

The revolution is very unlikely to take place all over the world at once. In fact, I'd label that as an impossibility.

Revolutions will occur in single nations, and as communism grows form nation to nation, it will eventually become continental, and working class unity will grow world wide.

This will take a long time. I mean, these nations need to have the "dictatorship of the proletariat" before they reach communism. That alone could last a nice few decades for each nation.

Example -> Revolution in Brazil. Brazil becomes socialist with the "dictatorship OF the proletariat". 12 years later a Revolution occurs in Mexico. Mexico achieves the dictatorship of the proletariat. THen peru 5 years later, the columbia 7 years later, then Argentina 5 years later then the whole of South and Central America. Probably after 50 years. They work together as socialist nations and together they all reach the communist stage eventually.

It's not going to happen overnight. And my prediction of a couple hundred years may be a little too soon.

How can communist revolution occur at such a slow pace without becoming isolated and building state capitalism or something like it (wasn't this a major problem in Russia?)

-soyons tout

[it_ain't_me]

very, very soon hopefully!

i don't know, but give me a gun and i'll fight for it today!

as soon as capitalism inevitably collapses under its own weight!

as soon as the proletariat gets its mind right, comrades!

as soon as we form a truly revolutionary vanguard party!

[insert a dozen other stupid, pat answers here]

[Nanatsu Yoru]

Could be a century, could be tomorrow. How much longer will the working class stand up to capitalist abuse? One thing's for sure though: if we give up, it's never happening.

[Lyev]

I didn't vote because "34 years, 8 months, 23 days and 17 hours" was not an option.

[Ele'ill]

Things need to get worse for those in the best positions to revolt.

[bcbm]

things used to be astronomically worse for the people in that position and they did not revolt. typically when conditions worsen people struggle for bread, not socialism.

[bricolage]

give us bread! but give us roses!

[Revolution starts with U]

When you get off your ass, grab a gun/sign/chain, and agitate! ;)

[L.A.P.]

I know there is no such thing as stupid questions but this OP is constantly asking (there I say it) pretty ridiculous questions, this was also the same user who asked "what is Stalinism and how do we fight it?". To answer question the revolution will start at approximately 6:30 am Eastcoast American time next week, make sure to eat your name brand cereal because it won't exist much longer.:D

[L.A.P.]

Story from some of my older comrades: sometime in the early 1970's, using various statistics and mathematic formulae, they determined the world revolution would come about in 2007.

Shit, I must have not gotten the memo.

[Ocean Seal]

Well apparently there already was a Trotskite revolution a long time ago in a galaxy far far away brought about by Posadas who was secretly an alien working in cohorts with Honourable Chairman Bob Avakian in order to activate the proletarian forklifts against the forces of capitalism.
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In all seriousness if its taken about 1200 years to overthrow feudalism and were not even at the international socialism step yet it will probably take a while.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

The Revolution will never happen.
An insurrection could erupt as soon as yr crew is ready.

[Trigonometry]

1000 years if lucky, at this stage socialism is just a dream, there is no real ideas practical ideas of how, and only a vague general idea of what, if compared to giving birth to children, communism is still a little girls understand that she will one day be a mommy.

[soyonstout]

Not to be alarmist, but I think another way of formulating this question can be, using Engels/Luxemburg's "socialism or barbarism" model--how much longer can capitalism exist before the material base for socialism cannibalized by the very system (capitalism) that engendered it? For example, with capitalism going at the rate it is going in terms of environmental destruction, not to mention the increasing irrationality of production and the non-reproduction or contracted reproduction of factories, and workers and all the productive forces--or the real potential for crises to lead to large wars, etc., I don't think capitalism as such can really last another 1000 years. 100 might even be pushing it in some ways. I know this brings up a lot of questions and polemics about "the epoch of imperialist decay" that some reject, but does a Marxist analysis include the possibility of capitalism continuing forever? Sure there is expansion in China and India, but there is also real contraction in the older capitalist countries, and each new crisis that would normally demand devalorization of capitalist holdings (declaring many people's titles to wealth null and void and/or not repairing the infrastructure or paying workers enough to sire a new generation of laborers) is dealt with by putting it off with credit, etc. Can capitalism solve its own contradictions and if so, at what cost to its continued viability as a system of production and at what cost to the working class?

[ckaihatsu]

Not to be alarmist, but I think another way of formulating this question can be, using Engels/Luxemburg's "socialism or barbarism" model--how much longer can capitalism exist before the material base for socialism cannibalized by the very system (capitalism) that engendered it?


'Cannibalized' isn't quite the right -- most accurate -- term to use here. We have only to look at how the capitalist order dealt with its contradictions in 1914 and 1939 (and 1950), plunging into militarist world conflict once its basis for international trade broke down. So we could say that the material base gets "fractured" or "balkanized" due to the superstructure being what it is.

In other words, this is isn't a simple matter of "running out of gas" -- material reserves are *far* from being depleted when the superstructure of international economic relationships hits the wall due to the emergence of seismic, game-changing competition from superpower up-and-comers.

We're seeing preliminary conditions for this right now. Most topical is *what kind* of warfare -- aside from trade and currency wars -- will be deployed by the major powers, *if they can*.... The U.S. has pretty much used up its political capital during the Bush years and the world public is in no mood to go through the bunker mentality mindset for *another* decade. I really think we'd *already* be in world war by now if we went by geopolitics alone.





For example, with capitalism going at the rate it is going in terms of environmental destruction, not to mention the increasing irrationality of production and the non-reproduction or contracted reproduction of factories, and workers and all the productive forces--or the real potential for crises to lead to large wars, etc., I don't think capitalism as such can really last another 1000 years. 100 might even be pushing it in some ways. I know this brings up a lot of questions and polemics about "the epoch of imperialist decay" that some reject, but does a Marxist analysis include the possibility of capitalism continuing forever? Sure there is expansion in China and India, but there is also real contraction in the older capitalist countries, and each new crisis that would normally demand devalorization of capitalist holdings (declaring many people's titles to wealth null and void and/or not repairing the infrastructure or paying workers enough to sire a new generation of laborers) is dealt with by putting it off with credit, etc. Can capitalism solve its own contradictions and if so, at what cost to its continued viability as a system of production and at what cost to the working class?


World warfare allows the major capitalist heads of state to settle any ambiguities over the world's international pecking order, in lieu of the increasingly tangled and confusing *economic* world order being able to do so. Again, this is most prone to happen when quickly ascending competitors rise near the level of already-established imperialist powers. The "feel" is similar to two planets drawing too close to each other, where their respective fields of gravity will begin to interfere with each other.

All of this is *meaningless*, of course, to the working class of the respective countries -- world warfare just means that workers are told to be pawns on the battlefield instead of pawns at the workplace. The increasing sophistication of communication networks today and access to information bodes well for the world in that the population is nowhere near as malleable as it used to be -- the public may very well be in a better material and political position to "wait out" any new campaigns of renewed jingoism coming from world politicians as their own positions become increasingly untenable.