Your opinions of music file sharing.

[Marc24]

Whats your opinion on it? I personally think theres nothing wrong with it. The bands aren't losing that much money. In fact it's not even the band that makes most of the money. The record company, which does the least of the work gets the most money from all the sales.

[fa2991]

Whats your opinion on it? I personally think theres nothing wrong with it. The bands aren't losing that much money. In fact it's not even the band that makes most of the money. The record company, which does the least of the work gets the most money from all the sales.

This.

[the last donut of the night]

i'm a pirate

[Axle]

Sharing is caring.

[Amphictyonis]

Jesus was a file sharer.

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@ the 1:12 mark LOL

[Tablo]

http://www.levelfortytwo.com/wp-content/uploads/DVD_Piracy01.bmp

[ContrarianLemming]

My Ipod is a monument to piracy, so yeah, sharing is caring

[Apoi_Viitor]

You wouldn't download a car, so why download music?

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-16/1237240452958.jpg

[EvilRedGuy]

Im a communist so you know the answer.

[Quail]

You wouldn't download a car, so why download music?

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-16/1237240452958.jpg
That advert is so stupid. It's annoying how DVDs are set up so you can't skip the piracy warnings.

[Ovi]

There's nothing wrong in helping your neighbor. The fsf (http://www.fsfe.org/about/basics/freesoftware.en.html) says so

The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor.Audio files are not scarce and they can be copied at almost no cost, so there's no reason to treat them like they are.

[thriller]

You wouldn't download a purse would you? LOL!!!!!!
Yeah, sharing blocks of 1's and 0's over a network made up of a shit load of 1's and 0's is perfectly fine. Piracy makes a copy, Theft steals the original.
Plus, I usually end up buying some of the cd's of the bands I listen to at there show. I listen to a lot of underground punk, and I know they need the mon, and they arn't on some huge record label. So I'll download it, but also throw em the dough too.

[Vendetta]

You wouldn't download a car, so why download music?

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-16/1237240452958.jpg

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/KamikaziCow/Random2/funny_nsfw-ac44e0022a91335c03998bb07daf2b20_h.jpg.jpeg

[4 Leaf Clover]

well i can tell you "i think this and that" but i always download music illegaly

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

http://www.septicisle.info/uploaded_images/communism-767059.gif

[Tavarisch_Mike]

Remember, moste of the income to the artists comes frome concerts and for small groups downloading is a ultimate way of reach to people, so the old; "But think about the artists, they wont get any money if you dont buy theire records" aint true, the record sells money goes into the record companys pockets, downloading has just made cut of the middleman.

[revolution inaction]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

[Amphictyonis]

Remember, moste of the income to the artists comes frome concerts and for small groups downloading is a ultimate way of reach to people, so the old; "But think about the artists, they wont get any money if you dont buy theire records" aint true, the record sells money goes into the record companys pockets, downloading has just made cut of the middleman.

But....but meat head drummer from metallica?

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[maskerade]

Down with all copyrights! both the music and the patents need to be liberated! everything for everyone!

[Marc24]

Come to think of it, when I was at a Three days Grace concert, the singer told everyone to go out and get their new album, and he didn't care how you got it. He's like "I don't care if you buy it, borrow it from a friend, or download it on the internet," It seems like some bands don't even care about music file sharing.

[thriller]

That's why it's the RIAA going after people and not the artists.

Thought you might like this
http://www.cracked.com/funny-4003-the-pirate-bay/

[EvilRedGuy]

http://www.septicisle.info/uploaded_images/communism-767059.gif

Where is the oppesite picture whith the blue capitalist image instead, save it on this board from long time ago. :thumbup1:

[EvilRedGuy]

Come to think of it, when I was at a Three days Grace concert, the singer told everyone to go out and get their new album, and he didn't care how you got it. He's like "I don't care if you buy it, borrow it from a friend, or download it on the internet," It seems like some bands don't even care about music file sharing.


Great bands do, actually the artist (IDM, etc) The Flasbulb or just Flashbulb said he didn't care how you did get his music aslong as it wasn't from Itunes, fuck the corporations. :lol:

[Omi]

Though I would and do pay for some mp3 downloads. Namely those from more underground electronic music like dubstep/dnb and the likes. Most of the time mp3 download sales are the only way for producers to earn a little money, and I support these people the same way I would support my favourite band by buying the original CD or preferable vinyl releases.

[thriller]

Though I would and do pay for some mp3 downloads. Namely those from more underground electronic music like dubstep/dnb and the likes. Most of the time mp3 download sales are the only way for producers to earn a little money, and I support these people the same way I would support my favourite band by buying the original CD or preferable vinyl releases.

Yes! Let's not forget vinyl! Can't download that shit.

[Sixiang]

I think that the art of music is truly expressed when there isn't the allure of money. I want to listen to musicians that are making it because they simply love music and want to express themselves through it, not because they are on some hellbent mission to make it big and get rich. I have also heard a lot of famous musicians attack the music industry and record companies because they leave musicians in the dust.

I personally don't download or share music files. I purchase the albums of my favorite musicians. Although, I usually buy my CD's used when I can, and when you buy used, none of that money goes back to the musicians or record companies. That money goes back to the used music store. By that standard, the RIAA should be attacking second-hand record stores, not just Napster and Piratbay.

And it's been said before, but most musicians make most of their money from merchandise and touring, not from their record sales. Most of that money goes back to the record companies. Also, if fans first discover their music by having a chance to listen to it for free online, then they may spend money to go see a concert. The internet can be a good place to discover music because most people aren't interested in dropping $15 on a CD that they aren't sure they will like.

[x371322]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAhBO7NOnKg

[Klaatu]

We have to make a distinction between downloading music for (A) one's own use only, and (B) burning CDs and selling for a profit.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that "Fair Use" (A) can be considered legal, if the private usage of the copyrighted media is kept to oneself
You can xerox a page out of a book or magazine legally, you can tape TV shows, and what's the difference between hearing a song on a radio,
and D/L it, which is just done on a different type of machine - a computer?

And what if I borrow a music CD from a friend, as opposed to buying it?

As for (B), that is clearly illegal and immoral as well.

[Adil3tr]

You wouldn't download a car, so why download music?

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-16/1237240452958.jpg

This is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. If cars would be downloaded, why the fuck wouldn't you do it?

Also, this whole pirate thing is a great representation of how entertainment and computers have outgrown capitalism by centuries.

[x371322]

We have to make a distinction between downloading music for (A) one's own use only, and (B) burning CDs and selling for a profit.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that "Fair Use" (A) can be considered legal, if the private usage of the copyrighted media is kept to oneself
You can xerox a page out of a book or magazine legally, you can tape TV shows, and what's the difference between hearing a song on a radio,
and D/L it, which is just done on a different type of machine - a computer?

And what if I borrow a music CD from a friend, as opposed to buying it?

As for (B), that is clearly illegal and immoral as well.

I've never heard it put that way before. That xerox analogy may be one of the best arguments I've ever heard. Kudos Klaatu. :thumbup1:

[Invincible Summer]

Great bands do, actually the artist (IDM, etc) The Flasbulb or just Flashbulb said he didn't care how you did get his music aslong as it wasn't from Itunes, fuck the corporations. :lol:

The crust/grind band Nuclear Death Terror has all their albums on their website for download. They're pretty underground so obv money is an issue, but they just don't give a fuck.



Fuck capitalist cashmongers and their apologists that try to guilt people into buying shit.

And what's with people going "Oh well it isn't the same as having the real thing!" How is it not? You buy a cd for the music, not the shitty booklet that it sometimes comes with and I don't even look at. When I download music, I get the music. That's what I wanted. You don't go to a concert and go "FUCK YEAH!!! TALK ABOUT YOUR CD SLEEVE!!!"

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

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[EvilRedGuy]

That got to be one of the best songs ever. :lol:

Btw this thread made me pirate all the new leaked movies out now. :thumbup1:

[thriller]

Leftover Crack (underground punk/ska band) has a statement on all their cd's that says: "The unauthorized duplication of this cd is encouraged. Copywrong"

[Cencus]

You wouldn't download a car, so why download music?

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-16/1237240452958.jpg

coz I dunno how to drive :lol:

Most of the tunes I download I'd never buy anyway so the loss of income is minimal. I've gone to see bands after listening to downloads recommended by friends.

The majors are just out to grab a sure bet and milk em for all they are worth. Chasing peeps who download stuff they'd prolly never buy is an easy way to do it.

[Bazza]

Personally I like the own the original record/CD than an mp3.

I used to have my own record label (Red Star Recordings) once up on a time promoting left wing bands and artists. Went bust though after just 3 releases due to file sharing. I even found someone on here giving one of the albums away. The CD was only £4.99 to buy but it seems that people prefer not to pay for music these days. All well and good but when a small label like mine forks out £1500 for a release then makes a big loss it kind of pisses you off a bit.

I never set the label up to make money, it was always a case of a labour of love. But when you end up with half of your CDs stuck in the USA as you can't afford the shipping costs & import tax to get them shipped to the UK it just doesn't seem worth the hassel.

[Adil3tr]

Personally I like the own the original record/CD than an mp3.

I used to have my own record label (Red Star Recordings) once up on a time promoting left wing bands and artists. Went bust though after just 3 releases due to file sharing. I even found someone on here giving one of the albums away. The CD was only £4.99 to buy but it seems that people prefer not to pay for music these days. All well and good but when a small label like mine forks out £1500 for a release then makes a big loss it kind of pisses you off a bit.

I never set the label up to make money, it was always a case of a labour of love. But when you end up with half of your CDs stuck in the USA as you can't afford the shipping costs & import tax to get them shipped to the UK it just doesn't seem worth the hassel.

The point is that music can be reproduced for free. Entertainment has outgrown capitalism, thats why you feel screwed. After the revolution, you can still make music, and give it away free.

[L.A.P.]

http://www.septicisle.info/uploaded_images/communism-767059.gif
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[Klaatu]

http://www.septicisle.info/uploaded_images/communism-767059.gif

WOW now I get it!!!

D/L till you turn blue (er, I mean RED) :laugh:

[EvilRedGuy]

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Why have pictures problem working?

Anyways i think i know what that image is. :thumbup1:

[L.A.P.]

Why have pictures problem working?

Anyways i think i know what that image is. :thumbup1:
The picture was supposed to be where it says "When you buy mp3's your rocking out the man" and shows a fat rich guy instead of Lenin.

[Klaatu]

We have to make a distinction between downloading music for (A) one's own use only, and (B) burning CDs and selling for a profit.

The US Supreme Court has ruled that "Fair Use" (A) can be considered legal, if the private usage of the copyrighted media is kept to oneself...

This does not mean that the high court has ruled directly on digital music downloading. It means that they have ruled on "fair use" in the realm of Xerography, video/audio recording, etc. To the best of my knowledge, they have not made a ruling on computer file downloading. But then, I am assuming that this falls under the fair use doctrine anyway. Sorry I did not make this clear in my original post.

[Klaatu]

The picture was supposed to be where it says "When you buy mp3's your rocking out the man" and shows a fat rich guy instead of Lenin.

Wasn't that posted somewhere on this site a few months ago? I recall seeing it.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Leftover Crack (underground punk/ska band) has a statement on all their cd's that says: "The unauthorized duplication of this cd is encouraged. Copywrong"

I wouldn't know since I've only downloaded their music. :lol:

[Os Cangaceiros]

The crust/grind band Nuclear Death Terror has all their albums on their website for download. They're pretty underground so obv money is an issue, but they just don't give a fuck.

Same with the Cro-Mags. I think that The Age of Quarrel is out of print, but they have the entire album available for download on their website, which is where I got it.

[Klaatu]

Some interesting reading on Fair Use

Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._v._Universal_City_Studios

Fair use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

[Die Rote Fahne]

So long as you are not profiting from file sharing, I am fine with it.

[Klaatu]

Some might argue that free downloading is in fact "profiting," in that one saves money by not having to buy the music... Well I am just a poor music lover... I can't afford to buy the over-priced CDs anyway!

maybe if CDs cost $2, rather than $20, I might just buy them (so would everyone else - a CD is only worth about $2 anyway!!!) :rolleyes:

[Public Domain]

I pirate music (and more) and will continue to do so regardless of what restrictions they plan to place.

[IronLion]

I'm fine with so-called music piracy as long as I let the artists I enjoy most know that I support them.

[EvilRedGuy]

I pirate music (and more) and will continue to do so regardless of what restrictions they plan to place.


This. Piracy 4 ever.

[Ocean Seal]

Lets see

I can
boycott capitalism
Stop the record companies from posting profits that are derived from the labor of other
not buy a credit card and risk losing my information
get free songs
and "download communism"

ORRRRRRR
I can pay the ridiculous fee of $1 a song
Give someone who's richer than me my money (God knows Obama is already doing this for me)
Risk losing my information
and get the same product

Tough choice huh?

[MellowViper]

I think as long as you go see the bands, you're fine. If its self produced, though, I like to buy the cd. Dope did that a few years ago, so I bought an autographed copy of their album from their website. The way I look at it, money saved on albums means more money for concerts and concert tees. I'm pretty sure the bands like an audience that knows all their songs and not just the single played on the radio.

[Notorio]

So long as you are not profiting from file sharing, I am fine with it.

Agreed. As a musician, i perform and record my own music. Anybody can download one of my peices from reverbnation/facebook, and websites etc. If people wish to enjoy my music, then i do not want any costs to perhaps stop them from doing so. More people listen to my music this way, and hence leads to greater turnouts at concerts and performances, and perhaps more of them! Listeners also have the option of purchasing CD's at concerts if they prefer to have a solid medium and greater audio quality!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Some might argue that free downloading is in fact "profiting," in that one saves money by not having to buy the music...

The record companies like to use this line of reasoning in order to claim millions if not billions in lost sales due to filesharing.

The problem is (as you may well be aware) that there is no way of establishing that someone who downloaded something would have actually paid money to have it in the first place.

[EvilRedGuy]

I used to create music and when i did that i give them away on CD's to my friends/closely related and they copy them to more CDs and give to those they know/closely related. For me unpractical things like entertainment(music, books, games, movies, art, any visuel made things) should be free for me the thing is creating media/entertainment for yourself and everyone else to enjoy.

[L.A.P.]

Speaking of downloading music for free can anyone tell me a good place to do that?

[MellowViper]

Speaking of downloading music for free can anyone tell me a good place to do that?

thepiratebay is pretty good for torrents. Download utorrent to download the actual files from the torrent file you get off the site. The "u" is actually a "mu", the greek letter used to represent "micro" in metric measurements. Check out archive.org also. That's not technically pirating, but it has a bunch of open source stuff. I downloaded a free audiobook version of The Capital and a free avi copy of the movie, Manufacturing Consent.

[Delenda Carthago]

The sad thing is that most communists(of any kind) that support piracy fail to give a good analyse about it.This thread is unfortunatly in this case.

[Widerstand]

The sad thing is that most communists(of any kind) that support piracy fail to give a good analyse about it.This thread is unfortunatly in this case.

I'll give you an analysis of the media industry:

http://mapper.nndb.com/t/340/340/l340.jpg