Socials Democracy

[Commie77]

I have been interested in socialism and other types of political thought for a while know. I have been on S-E many times but it seems like no likes social-democrats ? Do you guys like socials-democrats? state why. BTW when i talk about social-democrats i mean like borraks party, places like Britain and France so on so forth.

[Q]

Since the split of social-democracy in 1914-17 between the right "realpolitik" wing and the Marxist leftwing (and the dissolution of the center), there has been a steady aversion between the Marxists and the right. That is not to say we completely dismiss social-democrats out of hand (although many do) as we can work together on concrete issues.

Social-democrats are not revolutionaries though and therefore, by definition, are restricted to the Opposing Ideologies subforum here.

[DaComm]

You're a social democrat, and your name is Commie77? Interesting. Anyway, Anarchists and Communists oppose Social Democrats for their beleif in an reformal revolution . I think this Lenin quote sums up why we believe Social Democracy is incapable of liberating the masses:
‎"Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps."

[Widerstand]

reformal revolution

That's a misleading phrase. Reformism isn't revolutionary. Revolutionary ideologies seek to replace the established system, reformist ideologies seek to modify it.

As such, I would say it's impossible for an anti-capitalist to not be a revolutionary. Engaging in reformist tactics along revolutionary work is debatable of course. Only engaging in reformist tactics however is pro-capitalist to me.

Social Democrats are solely reformist, ergo pro-capitalist. I'd work with them on certain, agreeable issues, but overall I view them as reactionaries. Therefore I fully support this websites policy regarding the restriction of SDs.

[DaComm]

That's a misleading phrase. Reformism isn't revolutionary. Revolutionary ideologies seek to replace the established system, reformist ideologies seek to modify it.


I meant actualizing a social change, a -revolutionary change- via reforms.

[Widerstand]

I meant actualizing a social change, a -revolutionary change- via reforms.

Impossible. Capitalism cannot be "reformed away".

[Paulappaul]

I don't think he was denying that. That's what they believe.

[DaComm]

Impossible. Capitalism cannot be "reformed away".

lmao. Read the rest of my first post

[Widerstand]

lmao. Read the rest of my first post

What makes you think I haven't? It greatly added to my puzzlement. You realize that reformism can't replace capitalism, yet you throw around phrases such as 'refomal revolution' (which I never heard of before by the way).

[Paulappaul]

He is using their phrasing.

[Widerstand]

Ah, yeah that came to my mind, but still, I'm interested as to where that phrase comes from.

[DaComm]

You're a social democrat, and your name is Commie77? Interesting. Anyway, Anarchists and Communists oppose Social Democrats for their beleif in a reformal revolution . I think this Lenin quote sums up why we believe Social Democracy is incapable of liberating the masses:
‎"Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps."


Impossible. Capitalism cannot be "reformed away".

When I said "reformal revolution", I meant acheiving a great social change through a series of reforms. Which is why true Leftists oppose this, because, as you elaborated on earlier, this is impossible to acheive.