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The Vegan Marxist
4th October 2010, 13:18
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The average prison wage is currently 8 a week

Prison factory plan 'to cut reoffending', says minister
By Brian Wheeler
4 October 2010

Private firms could be encouraged to set up factories in prisons, under government proposals.
Prisons minister Crispin Blunt says he wants tens of thousands of prisoners to take meaningful work to help cut reoffending rates.

Part of their wages would go to their victims, their families and upkeep.

But it must be handled carefully to avoid it looking as if legitimate jobs were being stolen, he told a Tory conference fringe meeting.

The coalition government is committed to cutting the prison population through fewer shorter sentences and improving the rehabilitation of offenders through better training.

The Ministry of Justice plans to enact dormant legislation, the 1996 Prisons Earnings Act, which would allow prisoners to be paid more than the average of 8 a week those that work currently receive but for deductions to be made from their wages.

At the moment they are not allowed to pay taxes and are paid cash in hand.

Mr Blunt said one idea his officials were exploring was for a portion of their increased wages to be paid into a pot that they could gain access to if they stay out of trouble for two years after leaving prison.

He said that although thousands of inmates in British jails worked, in jobs ranging from printing to making furniture, far too many did nothing at all.

The public dont want prisoners lying about being idle, he told the meeting, adding that getting into the habit of working was vital if they were going to get jobs in the outside world.

The aim has got to be to maximise the opportunities for prisoners, having got themselves clean and got themselves some training, to have the best possible chance of going straight when they come out.

And to get them into a decent hard working environment in prison where we maximise whatever return we can get, through whatever schemes we can get into prison, either through the voluntary sector, or preferably through businesses, to actually make effective use of their time while they are in prison has got to be a good thing.

Stealing jobs

He said he wanted Britain to be a global leader in inviting businesses to come into prisons to take advantage of the effectively free labour.

Many other countries have tried this and getting businesses to work in partnership in prisons, in prison and with prison labour, and to actually be able to make an economic return is extremely difficult, he told the Howard League for Penal Reform meeting in Birmingham.

But he also said that, in the current climate, it was important that the governments plans were not seen as stealing legitimate peoples jobs, suggesting prisoners could be put to work making products which are currently imported from outside the EU.

His plans received the backing of the Howard League for Penal Reform, which argues that the coalition should go further by allowing prisoners to pay taxes to the state.

Under the current system, prisoners were mostly paid cash in hand, said Howard League director Frances Crook, which she said only taught them that work was badly paid, boring, its OK to fiddle the system, crime is better and it pays more.

She said the Prison Service had blocked efforts to get prisoners in a pilot scheme run by the charity to work and pay taxes, as it would mean they would be entitled to employment rights.

I am so pleased we are getting somewhere at last, Mrs Crook told the meeting.

She said prisons were not set up to be places of employment, apart from in gardening, laundry and catering, which is why it was important to get private firms on board.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11463182

Amphictyonis
5th October 2010, 00:04
Frauds. Capitalism creates a perpetual unemployment rate of about 3% to 6% at all times. It's the main reason so many people are in prison in the first place.

scarletghoul
5th October 2010, 00:08
Right.

If this does take jobs away from the non-prison population then that would in turn increase crime and the prison population, so we could possibly see a self-expanding reservoir of forced labour

gorillafuck
5th October 2010, 00:17
Fuck.

Amphictyonis
5th October 2010, 00:20
Right.

If this does take jobs away from the non-prison population then that would in turn increase crime and the prison population, so we could possibly see a self-expanding reservoir of forced labour
They just want to profit from cheap labor. The game is an old one.

scarletghoul
5th October 2010, 00:23
no shit

Ocean Seal
5th October 2010, 01:00
How very convenient for these corporations...
Sometimes I can't help, but feel that I'm in a Star Wars movie and that we're the only one's who can tell that The Empire is evil.

Axle
5th October 2010, 01:37
Well FUCK, think of that sweet profit margin!

I'm sure there are companies (ahem) that just think its a damn shame there aren't more of us in jail for them to take advantage of sans labor and wage laws.

Amphictyonis
5th October 2010, 03:59
no shit

how about phuc yoo? ;)

RebelDog
5th October 2010, 15:29
The whole system is about as much of the national product as possible going in to private pockets. This is just another way of achieving this. Its not about rehabilitation or the victims, its about profit. The Tories and their LIb Dem mates are inching us closer to a more US style society. Its a very dangerous step because they could effectivly be moving cheap labour to where its needed by imprisoning people. Like the US there will be a profit motive in sending people to jail.

bricolage
5th October 2010, 19:01
From what I read today a bunch of the money they 'earn' is meant to go their 'victims' (although I'm not sure what that entails, if someone robbed from Harrods, do Harrods get this compensation?) so I'd be interested to see what the profit will be for the firms that run the schemes. It's all very eerie.

Amphictyonis
5th October 2010, 22:39
From what I read today a bunch of the money they 'earn' is meant to go their 'victims' (although I'm not sure what that entails, if someone robbed from Harrods, do Harrods get this compensation?) so I'd be interested to see what the profit will be for the firms that run the schemes. It's all very eerie.

I don't see expropriation as victimizing capitalists :) On the other hand, I see people who are beaten, raped, murdered or physically harmed in some way as victims but even then, in many cases, people in prison aren't there for necessarily victimizing someone in the sense that it was a random act of violence perpetrated on an innocent victim. Many people in prison for violent crimes could have very well been the victim if the fight/confrontation went the other way.

The media focuses on the worst of the worst sociopaths and the public gets the impression prisons are filled with serial killers and child rapists. This simply isnt the case.

Rafiq
6th October 2010, 00:02
How longer will it take for people to realize we are fucked?

Klaatu
6th October 2010, 02:59
Don't they already do labor, like making license plates, etc? Some prison factories do keep the guys busy though, and perhaps learn a trade, so they become employable on the outside? Even so, I think mandatory education is the better thing to do with prisoners. Education does open employment doors on the outside, more so than unskilled work possibly can...

A Revolutionary Tool
6th October 2010, 04:42
Hmm...do you think it'd be possible to organize prison laborers? I mean just think of the prospects. These dudes and gals are sitting around in prison cells for hours upon hours with only their thoughts. And now they want to make factories in prisons which could get prisoners to be more class oriented if they get the right reading material, propaganda, etc, right? I know there has always been labor in prisons but has there been much of a push to get prisoners on our side?

Klaatu
6th October 2010, 05:05
I think that education is the best thing that could happen to our prisoners. Get that GED, (or associate degree!) and get a good-paying job on the outside.

This idea of "punishment" which is nothing more than conservative revenge, is stupid. If the ex-con has no skills upon release, and there are no "low-skill" jobs available, isn't it any surprise that there is a high rate of recidivism?

LebenIstKrieg
6th October 2010, 20:58
I bet my Uncle will be so thrilled to here this!:rolleyes:

Reznov
7th October 2010, 02:28
Imagine people deciding to stay in prison and keep commiting crimes to do so, all because these poor people cant find jobs anywhere else and therefore have to if they want to earn a "living" wage.

Red Panther
7th October 2010, 17:00
They're just employing people at below minimum wage. Why is this allowed!!?? :confused: Everything is just done to make profit!! :(
I hate the Tories!

bricolage
7th October 2010, 22:36
Don't they already do labor, like making license plates, etc? Some prison factories do keep the guys busy though, and perhaps learn a trade, so they become employable on the outside? Even so, I think mandatory education is the better thing to do with prisoners. Education does open employment doors on the outside, more so than unskilled work possibly can...
This news story is about the UK. I don't know what things are like in America.

rednordman
8th October 2010, 00:36
FFS. All this does is show every exactly how stupid, naive, and outdated the tories really are. I mean why the heck get private companies envolved?! What are they trying to prove? Capitalist world moans and growns about the terrors of the gulang, but at least the gulang was designed so that the public could profit of criminals (in the eyes of the state that is).

Why should you take that away from the public and let some plebish individual get rich of it?

This isnt a defence of the gulang, but what the tories are trying to say here is actually a more absurd idea. That is because private companies = individual interests (so much for big society hey!)

As for the compensation to the victims families idea...Well do any of you really see a working class mother recieving the same compensation payment as a rich mother?

Amphictyonis
11th October 2010, 06:44
Hmm...do you think it'd be possible to organize prison laborers? I mean just think of the prospects. These dudes and gals are sitting around in prison cells for hours upon hours with only their thoughts. And now they want to make factories in prisons which could get prisoners to be more class oriented if they get the right reading material, propaganda, etc, right? I know there has always been labor in prisons but has there been much of a push to get prisoners on our side?

There are already people on it, has been for decades. Many communists here in the Bay Area, who I wont name, volunteer their time at jails and prisons. In fact, if more academics would go into the general community rather than universities we might actually see a shift in social consciousness.