Bolivarian Greetings !

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[AK]

Civic-military alliance? And they wonder why I don't much like Chavez. Welcome anyway.

[Q]

Welcome :)

How do you view the mass lay offs in Cuba happening right now? How is this progress?

[Nolan]

What do you people see in Bolivar? The man was from the monied classes. I've never understood that.

[Q]

What do you people see in Bolivar? The man was from the monied classes. I've never understood that.

Not to be a dick, but so was Marx, Engels and Lenin.

[Widerstand]

Welcome ^^


Not to be a dick, but so was Marx, Engels and Lenin.

So how do you justify not being an Anarchist?

Checkmate! ;D

[Q]

Welcome ^^



So how do you justify not an Anarchist?

Checkmate! ;D

I'm not sure if I got your question right, but if you were asking why I'm not an anarchist, my answer is simple: Class background is irrelevant. Marx, Engels and Lenin left behind their class interests and fought consistently for the proletariat. And it is class loyalty that matters.

Putting the same issue the other way around: Would you be supportive of a nazi just because he's also a worker?

[Widerstand]

I'm not sure if I got your question right

Yeah, I saw I forgot a "being" after "not", but I'm on 56k net right now, it's laggy as hell, and for some reason the edit button refused to load the last 5 times I refreshed this page, so I gave up ._.

edit: wohoo it worked :P


but if you were asking why I'm not an anarchist, my answer is simple: Class background is irrelevant. Marx, Engels and Lenin left behind their class interests and fought consistently for the proletariat. And it is class loyalty that matters.

Putting the same issue the other way around: Would you be supportive of a nazi just because he's also a worker?

Lol. I agree with your point of course. I thought it was obvious enough that I'm joking by the "Checkmate".

[Q]

Lol. I agree with your point of course. I thought it was obvious enough that I'm joking by the "Checkmate".

Yeah, and I checkmated you back ^_^

[Widerstand]

Yeah, and I checkmated you back ^_^

;_; a loser is I. :lol:

[Nolan]

Not to be a dick, but so was Marx, Engels and Lenin.

But those three left their class and fought for the proletariat. Bolivar fought for the landowning oligarchy. I mean, he was progressive in his time for throwing off the Spanish imperial yoke, but he's absolutely useless to the revolutionary left today.

[Bright Banana Beard]

But those three left their class and fought for the proletariat. Bolivar fought for the landowning oligarchy. I mean, he was progressive in his time for throwing off the Spanish imperial yoke, but he's absolutely useless to the revolutionary left today. It just in this sense: Lenin was a hero in USSR. Compare to this: Bolivar was a hero to Venezuela, Colombia, and the Ecuador.

The opportunists in Venezuelan government use Bolivar to gather more people into their camp.

[Lyev]

Hello comrade, nice to meet you!


[insert welcoming sectarian quip here]

[scarletghoul]

How about you welcome the new comrade instead of instantly bombarding them with criticism ?

Hey, welcome to RevLeft. Contrary to what the other posts may make you think, a lot of us here support the revolutionary movements in Latin America

[Jazzhands]

The Road of the civic-military alliance as the premise of "armed democratic socialism".

This sounds like an extraordinarily bad idea. Basically what you're proposing is a democratic, socialist form of Songun. If that's even possible.

[scarletghoul]

This sounds like an extraordinarily bad idea. Basically what you're proposing is a democratic, socialist form of Songun. If that's even possible.
Why do you think socialism/democracy can't work with prominent military force? Rather, how do you think socialism can survive without any guns ?

Without a peoples' army the people have nothing.

[gorillafuck]

This is an intro thread so I'm gonna give a hearty "hello" instead of argue over politics in an intro thread.

Hello!

[AK]

Why do you think socialism/democracy can't work with prominent military force? Rather, how do you think socialism can survive without any guns ?

Without a peoples' army the people have nothing.
No we don't think that. The difference is, an alliance between the working class and the military (such as the "civic-military" alliance) must never exist in a capitalist state (such as Venezuela).

[Jazzhands]

Wait, I read the post again. Nevermind. I kinda jumped to conclusions when I saw the word "armed." "armed democratic socialism" is a really broad term, so anyone can use it to mean anything, from Songun to Swiss-style mandatory military service.

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introduction posts dont raise your post count btw, if thats what you are trying to do:D

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i am trying to reply to all the questions posted on this thread on by one. that is all. i just want to make sure i give specific attention to all the individual postings. :)

quoting them would be better, and one post with all of them also, cause right now, i have no idea who you are talking to, and you confuse lot of people(i think)

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