Help me out on this, having an argument with my mom!

[L.A.P.]

My mom is an average Liberal and called me a hypocrite because I believe a mosque should be allowed and believe in freedom but yet I believe in socialism (which i guess in her eyes isn't freedom). She thinks capitalism is freedom because people are able to excel and make "what they earn" and she used of course the words "free" market and then used the retarded argument that "if poor people work hard enough then they can become rich". I almost think she is just fucking with me as she usually agrees with my views to some extent. I also argued the fact that her and her side of the family always stereotype and group people as all being the same and doesn't believe in the individual which is why she doesn't support the mosque. Help me out here!

[Dimentio]

Just be patient and don't confront her beliefs.

[Jazzhands]

My mom is an average Liberal and called me a hypocrite because I believe a mosque should be allowed and believe in freedom but yet I believe in socialism (which i guess in her eyes isn't freedom). She thinks capitalism is freedom because people are able to excel and make "what they earn" and she used of course the words "free" market and then used the retarded argument that "if poor people work hard enough then they can become rich". I almost think she is just fucking with me as she usually agrees with my views to some extent. I also argued the fact that her and her side of the family always stereotype and group people as all being the same and doesn't believe in the individual which is why she doesn't support the mosque. Help me out here!

:confused:this is really easy. You don't look for a walkthrough on the first level of a game. I'm staying out of this one.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Is your mother attractive?

[EvilRedGuy]

IS your mom hot, Wolfie?

[L.A.P.]

:confused:this is really easy. You don't look for a walkthrough on the first level of a game. I'm staying out of this one.

It was actually really easy to argue it but it nothing gets through to her and it's frustrating.:cursing:

[L.A.P.]

Is your mother attractive?
Fuck you

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Fuck you

Well, with that attitude you'll be getting no help.

[L.A.P.]

Well, with that attitude you'll be getting no help.
Eh, fuck it.

[Jazzratt]

You're a foulmouthed little prick aren't ya? Your mum should be having words about your fucking disgraceful language.

[Nachie]

IS your mom hot, Wolfie?

You put the emphasis on the wrong word.

[Sasha]

Fuck you


Eh, fuck it.


You're a foulmouthed little prick aren't ya? Your mum should be having words about your fucking disgraceful language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPlfDIcjrVI

[ContrarianLemming]

My mom is an average Liberal and called me a hypocrite because I believe a mosque should be allowed and believe in freedom but yet I believe in socialism (which i guess in her eyes isn't freedom). She thinks capitalism is freedom because people are able to excel and make "what they earn" and she used of course the words "free" market and then used the retarded argument that "if poor people work hard enough then they can become rich". I almost think she is just fucking with me as she usually agrees with my views to some extent. I also argued the fact that her and her side of the family always stereotype and group people as all being the same and doesn't believe in the individual which is why she doesn't support the mosque. Help me out here!

sh actually sounds rather conservative

just tell her, as I do to damn near everyone, that anything they think they know about socialism, they're wrong.

socialism can have a market, freedom, money etc, socialism only requires workers control.

[Wanted Man]

Great thread already. :lol:

Anyway, it's so manifestly obvious that not all poor people can get rich that pointing that out would be the obvious first step. Other than that, I don't know what to say except that I generally don't like to quarrel about politics with friends and family.

[ContrarianLemming]

It was actually really easy to argue it but it nothing gets through to her and it's frustrating.:cursing:

in wihch case, nothing we say will change that, can't fill an already full glass.

[L.A.P.]

sh actually sounds rather conservative

just tell her, as I do to damn near everyone, that anything they think they know about socialism, they're wrong.

socialism can have a market, freedom, money etc, socialism only requires workers control.

She usually isn't like this she sympathizes with my socialist views a lot but if she disagrees with me, whatever plus I think she is just fucking with me. At least she isn't kicking me out of the house for it or tearing down my posters of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez.

[Widerstand]

my posters of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez.

lololol.

(no offense btw, I had a Che flag over my bed for a long part of my early teenage years)

[ContrarianLemming]

She usually isn't like this she sympathizes with my socialist views a lot but if she disagrees with me, whatever plus I think she is just fucking with me. At least she isn't kicking me out of the house for it or tearing down my posters of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez.

Having pictures of Castro on your wall is hardly going to change her mind, and doesn't point to you being freedom loving.

[L.A.P.]

Having pictures of Castro on your wall is hardly going to change her mind, and doesn't point to you being freedom loving.

No, but it did change her opinion of Fidel Castro.

[Os Cangaceiros]

At least he doesn't have a giant portrait of Stalin hanging over his bed.

There's still hope.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

My mom is an average Liberal and called me a hypocrite because I believe a mosque should be allowed and believe in freedom but yet I believe in socialism (which i guess in her eyes isn't freedom). She thinks capitalism is freedom because people are able to excel and make "what they earn" and she used of course the words "free" market and then used the retarded argument that "if poor people work hard enough then they can become rich". I almost think she is just fucking with me as she usually agrees with my views to some extent. I also argued the fact that her and her side of the family always stereotype and group people as all being the same and doesn't believe in the individual which is why she doesn't support the mosque. Help me out here!

There seem to be several interlocking issues here. There's an issue of racism, an issue of religious freedom, and an issue od socialism vs. capitalism.

Socialism vs. capitalism. Many people, though decades of cold war propaganda and the experience of the fSU regard "socialism" as a powerful despotic state controlling all aspects of people's lives. People are not allowed to "save" or profit from individual initiative. This isn't socialism as most socialists understand it. Marx defined socialism as the "self emancipation of the working class". The socialism that I want will be based on democratic worker's councils embedded in communities and workplaces.Authority will come from and though the people. Ultimately there won't be a state with authority over people but a system of self administration.Also, despite a huge amount of propaganda about "entepreneurship" and individualism, most human endeavors are done in groups. The US economy is highly collectivized. Socialists want to make this democratic.

Poor people are not poor because they choose to be.Capitalism by definition is inequitable. Workers lives become commodities. Most people will always be left out.

The mosque. Its my understanding that originally most people in New York couldn't care less about the mosque. New Yorkers have developed a sort of rough tolerance. The controversy was artificially created. A right wing blogger wrote about it and this was picked up by the far right media. the purpose of this is to continue anti-Islamist bigotry as a means of drumming up support for the losing war in Afghanistan. This manufactured controversy also serves to keep the working class divided along religious lines.

Socialists do not support Muslim or Christian extremism. Most socialists would defend workers from a Muslim background against attempts to whip up racism.

The Muslim community in the US, as anywhere else, has a fantastic diversity, from Wahabi influenced groups to mystical Sufi groups. People are not all the same. Socialism honors (or should honor) the fantastic diversity of humanity.

[Jazzratt]

I've got a Che poster on my wall, I think my parents got it for me when I was going through somekind of leninist phase. The fact it's still up there (beside a poster mocking ex-president George W. Bush) is testament to what an indolent arse I really am.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The only poster I have is of a gnome smoking a pipe under a mushroom patch, in a rain forest. It's pretty sweet. I inherited it when the girl I used to live with moved out.

[fa2991]

I wish I had posters of Fidel Castro & Hugo Chavez. :blushing:

[Lenina Rosenweg]

The gnome poster is probably better.

[ContrarianLemming]

I wanna give you rep so bad, someone put this in the learning section.

[Plagueround]

When I lived with my parents our fights were about me sleeping over at my girlfriend's house. Her dad was pretty rad though, he made me bacon and eggs.

[Apoi_Viitor]

You should report her to the local communist authorities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/newsenglish/witn/2006/07/060719_romania.shtml

[Wanted Man]

I've got a Che poster on my wall, I think my parents got it for me when I was going through somekind of leninist phase. The fact it's still up there (beside a poster mocking ex-president George W. Bush) is testament to what an indolent arse I really am.

Does your Che poster also have "the image" on the backdrop of a Cuban flag with the text "Hasta la victoria siempre!" below it? Mine is still hanging here.

The other posters in my room are one for the upcoming World Festival of Youth and Students, one map of the Netherlands and one map of the province of Groningen. Regional chauvinism ftw. I got them from the publishing company where I worked last year. They were moving out and they gave away all kinds of old stuff (maps, atlases, book collections, etc.), so that finally allowed me to put something cool on the usually bleak walls.

I used to have a poster of Middle Earth up there, but that was getting a bit silly (says the guy with the Che poster).

[Jazzratt]

Does your Che poster also have "the image" on the backdrop of a Cuban flag with the text "Hasta la victoria siempre!" below it? Mine is still hanging here. Pretty much, 'cept it says "Revolucion" instead.

My walls, or more specifically what's on them, always fascinate visitors. Looking about me I can see one wall taken up by a tropical beach scene wallpaper, the two posters I mentioned earlier, a sort-of psychedelic poster with that CND symbol thingy and the word "peace" on it (I'm not a hippy, honest), a black & white macroscopic photo of a leaf (no, honestly, not a hippy), a picture someone drew of me (nor am I egotistical), a collage of photographs of me (again, honestly I'm not), some "artwork" by various friends only one of which is any good if I'm at all honest and my noticeboard of bizarre and pointless shite highlights of which include a crisp packet, my favourite christmas card ever ["Merry Christmas You ****"] and the, for want of a better word, receipt I got from the cops after they searched me for drugs [in an hilariously inept fashion, they didn't even open my baccy tin]. I missed out a lot of the toss up and about for brevity's sake, but you get the idea.

[Widerstand]

Pretty much, 'cept it says "Revolucion" instead.

My walls, or more specifically what's on them, always fascinate visitors. Looking about me I can see one wall taken up by a tropical beach scene wallpaper, the two posters I mentioned earlier, a sort-of psychedelic poster with that CND symbol thingy and the word "peace" on it (I'm not a hippy, honest), a black & white macroscopic photo of a leaf (no, honestly, not a hippy), a picture someone drew of me (nor am I egotistical), a collage of photographs of me (again, honestly I'm not), some "artwork" by various friends only one of which is any good if I'm at all honest and my noticeboard of bizarre and pointless shite highlights of which include a crisp packet, my favourite christmas card ever ["Merry Christmas You ****"] and the, for want of a better word, receipt I got from the cops after they searched me for drugs [in an hilariously inept fashion, they didn't even open my baccy tin]. I missed out a lot of the toss up and about for brevity's sake, but you get the idea.

So basically your walls are full of random stuff showing no sense of connection to each other, you, let alone any form of structure?

[Os Cangaceiros]

So basically your walls are full of random stuff showing no sense of connection to each other, you, let alone any form of structure?

As any good wall should be.

[Widerstand]

As any good wall should be.

Of course. I'm hardpressed to find a proper fixation device though. I don't want my walls to look like cheese :/

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I'm still interested in the OP's mother. If you are her and you read this. PM me.

[Tablo]

Only political poster I have is of tienanmen square.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

I wanna give you rep so bad
I love it when you talk dirty.

[fa2991]

just tell her, as I do to damn near everyone, that anything they think they know about socialism, they're wrong.

socialism can have a market, freedom, money etc, socialism only requires workers control.

I wish you would stop saying things like that. Collective ownership of property by society is just as important as workers control. By your definition, which I suspect may be taken from Chomsky, all mom & pop stores and other petit-bourgeois centers are socialist because the people who work them control them. There's just more to it.

[EvilRedGuy]

You put the emphasis on the wrong word.

Fuck you!!


Just kidding, but what are you talking about? :confused:

[EvilRedGuy]

At least he doesn't have a giant portrait of Stalin hanging over his bed.

There's still hope.

I have an IRL album of Stalin, i love him. :(

[L.A.P.]

I'm still interested in the OP's mother. If you are her and you read this. PM me.
Leave her out of this you bastard!:mad::rolleyes:

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Leave her out of this you bastard!:mad::rolleyes:

That is the exact opposite of my intentions. And stop going on about your sexy mother.