You deserve to be blown to pieces if you don't do as we say

[Vanguard1917]

Environmental campaigners 10:10 have withdrawn a film showing a teacher graphically exploding two of her students who refuse to reduce their carbon emissions, after complaints.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11458726

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx4yr0FFhMQ&has_verified=1

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What on Earth were they thinking? If nothing else, it's a little graphic to show during the day time.

[Widerstand]

Don't exploding human bodies emit CO2 as well? :/

[Quail]

What the fuck? I really don't get why they thought this was a good way of recruiting people to their cause.

[The Red Next Door]

I do not think this would help the environmental movement.

[Pawn Power]

We all know that environmentalist secretly want to violently kill those who do not want to reduce their emissions! :rolleyes:

Pretty typical sensationalist propaganda -though obviously not representative of the viewpoints of the environmentalist movement.

[The Grey Blur]

We all know that environmentalist secretly want to violently kill those who do not want to reduce their emissions! :rolleyes:

Pretty typical sensationalist propaganda -though obviously not representative of the viewpoints of the environmentalist movement.
Sorry? It's an advert funded and created by an environmentalist organisation.

[bcbm]

its funny how something like this will grab vg1917's attention, but i can't recall them ever say anything about the numerous people actually blown to pieces by security forces in the developing world for opposing policies that were destroying their environment.

[Plagueround]

its funny how something like this will grab vg1917's attention, but i can't recall them ever say anything about the numerous people actually blown to pieces by security forces in the developing world for opposing policies that were destroying their environment.

Because they shouldn't "fetishize their abject poverty" amirite? :lol:

[L.A.P.]

I don't even get the point of this, is there supposed to be some clever joke in this? The only thing I can get out of this is maybe there saying since they're killing the world we'll just kill them.:confused:

[Vanguard1917]

I do not think this would help the environmental movement.

Fingers crossed.

[bcbm]

pave the planet!

[The Fighting_Crusnik]

lmfao :laugh: That video was suppose to recruit people? :lol: It seemed to be more of a satire of the CO2 problem to me than a video encouraging people to cut :laugh:

[#FF0000]

I think it's really funny even though it's sort of a dumb ad.

I don't see why anyone would get up in arms over it though.

[EvilRedGuy]

What i find funny is the fucking reaction this has gotten, grow up, imagine all those who get blowed up for opposing imperialists from damaging their homes and envirnoment.

And once again YouTube comments are fucking annoiyng. :mad:

[Kuppo Shakur]

I've found that environmentalists/vegans/etc. have some of the most excessively violent and offensive propaganda.
Someone should look into this.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I've found that environmentalists/vegans/etc. have some of the most excessively violent and offensive propaganda.
Someone should look into this.

I'm not so sure about environmentalists, but certainly in my experience vegans and animal rights nuts are very fond of emotional appeals and visceral images in their propaganda.

[Vanguard1917]

I liked the message that children should spy on their parents' carbon consumption or risk being exploded. Very Orwellian.

It was also good to know that 'business leaders' (the PR name for bosses) are supportive of attempts to regulate the everyday behaviour of their workers in the name of environmentalism.

... and that Peter Crouch believes Spurs fans should cycle to stadiums while he himself is very content with his Bentley Continental GT.

[Wanted Man]

Wow. Over here, all they're going to do on 10:10:10 is taste organic beer and wine. That's slightly more comfortable than making people explode. :rolleyes:

[bailey_187]

So this 10:10 thing is somehow going to save the world :confused:

[Reznov]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: This has got to be one of the funniest things I have seen in awhile. Holy shit, what are these people thinking? :laugh::laugh:

[Amphictyonis]

Tear down the trees and put up a parking lot?

[the last donut of the night]

am i the only one who thinks the blood looks a lot like tomato sauce in this ad

[Invincible Summer]

Am I the only one who thought this was hilarious? I mean I understand why some people will get their colons in a knot because of it but it's obviously supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.

[FreeFocus]

LOL, what absurd ads. They don't even make sense.

I do agree, however, with bcbm. There are real people being shot and killed for protecting their communities and environments from exploitation and degradation.

[ContrarianLemming]

I'm not so sure about environmentalists, but certainly in my experience vegans and animal rights nuts are very fond of emotional appeals and visceral images in their propaganda.

I agree, I've seen vegan stuff and it's all very much into making people feel guilty

[Jazzhands]

Am I the only one who thought this was hilarious? I mean I understand why some people will get their colons in a knot because of it but it's obviously supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.

it was kinda funny. It's even more funny that these are supposed to be the good guys in this ad.

[Il Medico]

:laugh:

[Raúl Duke]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11458726

xx4yr0FFhMQ

I find this more odd just because they speak with a British accent.

Also, everyone who mention the thing lied: they said "no pressure" or something along those lines and than proceeded to murderously blow them up.

Than they put a good radiohead song for this shitty video.

This video is awful in many ways, one in that it makes environmentalist seem like pushy murderous dickheads. Perhaps there's a bit of truth there, some Western environmentalists are misanthropic but not all (since one line related to environmentalism is to protect the environment so to ensure it for future human generations).

[#FF0000]

I liked the message that children should spy on their parents' carbon consumption or risk being exploded. Very Orwellian.

It was also good to know that 'business leaders' (the PR name for bosses) are supportive of attempts to regulate the everyday behaviour of their workers in the name of environmentalism.

I am pretty sure the video wasn't meant to convey the message that they literally want to blow people up. That's why it's a bad ad.

also business leaders/bosses are supportive of schools too. clearly schools are bad then

[AK]

I like it. They should have kept the video up.

[Il Medico]

also business leaders/bosses are supportive of schools too. clearly schools are bad then
Schools are dens of scum and villainy.

[Dimentio]

I've found that environmentalists/vegans/etc. have some of the most excessively violent and offensive propaganda.
Someone should look into this.

Because - sadly - people who are drawn to environmentalism are often people who are drawn to animals due to their cuddliness. People who are drawn to animals because of their cuddliness are also often people who are drawn to explosions, children's shows and petition campaigns.

In short, people who are thinking a lot like kids.

[Dimentio]

I find this more odd just because they speak with a British accent.

Also, everyone who mention the thing lied: they said "no pressure" or something along those lines and than proceeded to murderously blow them up.

Than they put a good radiohead song for this shitty video.

This video is awful in many ways, one in that it makes environmentalist seem like pushy murderous dickheads. Perhaps there's a bit of truth there, some Western environmentalists are misanthropic but not all (since one line related to environmentalism is to protect the environment so to ensure it for future human generations).

It might have been self-ironic?

Internal humour you know, the same way as somewhat more sane people here are joking about the fringe of the fringe-movements.

[Vanguard1917]

also business leaders/bosses are supportive of schools too. clearly schools are bad then

Schools aren't bad (and i'm not sure that bosses and their political representatives have such a great track record of supporting top-rate education for the masses), but the rich and powerful lecturing and moralising with the rest of us about how we live, and telling us that we need to make our lives more incovenient while they themselves enjoy the best of everything that exists, is not something to be happy about.

[Q]

I propose that Glenn Beck makes an adaptation of this video: Anyone not joining the Tea Party? No pressure... *SPLAT!*

Let's see how popular that'll make him.

Seriously though, a big WTF here. The one who thought of this should be... well, splatted him/herself.

I also note a Malthusian undertone in the ad: Less people is better for the planet, so we can kill off a few.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Because - sadly - people who are drawn to environmentalism are often people who are drawn to animals due to their cuddliness. People who are drawn to animals because of their cuddliness are also often people who are drawn to explosions, children's shows and petition campaigns.

In short, people who are thinking a lot like kids.

This is terribly unfortunate, because there are plenty of good reasons to deal with environmental issues in a positive manner.

There are certainly plenty of scientists who have grave concerns about human activities affecting the environment and the organisms within it - so why aren't their voices heard more often?

[Raúl Duke]

Because - sadly - people who are drawn to environmentalism are often people who are drawn to animals due to their cuddliness. People who are drawn to animals because of their cuddliness are also often people who are drawn to explosions, children's shows and petition campaigns.

In short, people who are thinking a lot like kids.

I don't think childish thinking is exclusive to just those 2 milleus (in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it also exists among leftists), in fact it may be across a significant segment of an entire generation(s).

As I alluded to earlier, environmentalist concerns can be reached from a logical standpoint and a humanist framework (conserve the environment for future generations since they will need it too, or whatever).

Although I can definitely see that too many Vegan groups (particularly PETA) does focus on this line of thinking ("animals are cuddly and I don't want to see them die like in the PETA brochure") and rarely use the environmentalist argument for vegeterianism or limited meat diets (i.e. lowering consumption of meat lowers emissions).

[Dimentio]

This is terribly unfortunate, because there are plenty of good reasons to deal with environmental issues in a positive manner.

There are certainly plenty of scientists who have grave concerns about human activities affecting the environment and the organisms within it - so why aren't their voices heard more often?

Actually, they are. Most people in general get scared off by scientists, since scientists aren't dealing with emotions but with facts, and that people don't understand science (a lot of people cannot even grasp the difference between science and ideology/religion, thinking that science is another religion).

In order to gain people's attention today, everything has to focus on emotions (when you cannot directly influence people through their economic self-interest, emotions is the best way).

There is a minority of people who are drawn to environmentalism due to scientific and logical reasons, but the majority of people need to either feel directly economically threatened, or be wooed by cuddly pandas and dolphins.

[Dean]

Sorry? It's an advert funded and created by an environmentalist organisation.
So long as you don't like a movement, you feel comfortable painting the movement with a brush the color of a moneyed organization. Real pathetic.

[Dean]

a good radiohead song
Can you provide evidence for this?

[bailey_187]

Tear down the trees and put up a parking lot?

I agree.

[Raúl Duke]

Can you provide evidence for this?

Nope, it's a subjective quality. Although I rarely listen to the song, but I wouldn't mind putting it once in a while particularly if I'm sedated.

[#FF0000]

Schools aren't bad (and i'm not sure that bosses and their political representatives have such a great track record of supporting top-rate education for the masses), but the rich and powerful lecturing and moralising with the rest of us about how we live, and telling us that we need to make our lives more incovenient while they themselves enjoy the best of everything that exists, is not something to be happy about.

And, what, you think Monsanto is happy about environmental regulations?

[Vanguard1917]

What the hell has Monsanto got to do with this video?

[FreeFocus]

A ton of people criticized that Thomas Sankara dude for only posting about Sankara, but Vanguard doesn't post about much else than the bourgeoisie (who, oddly enough, also consists of indigenous people and working-class people concerned with environmental issues and animal rights) "moralizing" about environmental problems and lifestyles. Oh, and he occasionally comes out and justifies the ethnic cleansing of the United States and European imperialism/colonialism. Odd mix of politics.

[scarletghoul]

Fucking eco-fascists and their disgusting smug prioritising of ineffective lightbulbs over actual human needs. Of course, this video is not serious, but it does represent the arrogant, smug, middle class mentality of environment people.

"You know the greatest ecological crime being committed right now ? The bombing of Vietnam. And we think that until the ecology movement starts recognising these facts, it will remain largely irrelevant to the majority of people in the world." - Huey Newton in 1971

[Zanthorus]

Can you provide evidence for this?

The entire Radiohead back catalogue is a pretty good starting point.

[scarletghoul]

no theyre shit

[scarletghoul]

Though I do like the soundtrack to There Will Be Blood, which was written by the guitarist. Perhaps its just the singers whiney voice that makes me wanna kill them all

[Tatarin]

I believe they forgot the ancient saying "do to others what you like them to do to you"...

[#FF0000]

This is a dumb thing to get worked up about and if you do then you're dumb too.

also radiohead is great.

[Ocean Seal]

This is the worst propaganda I've ever seen. It's like us saying be a communist or we'll kill your family. How the fuck could anyone ever think that this would help?

[Quail]

Fucking eco-fascists and their disgusting smug prioritising of ineffective lightbulbs over actual human needs. Of course, this video is not serious, but it does represent the arrogant, smug, middle class mentality of environment people.

"You know the greatest ecological crime being committed right now ? The bombing of Vietnam. And we think that until the ecology movement starts recognising these facts, it will remain largely irrelevant to the majority of people in the world." - Huey Newton in 1971

Having an idea of the ecological damage happening under capitalism doesn't automatically make someone a "middle class" idiot who doesn't understand the system, you know.

[bcbm]

Fucking eco-fascists and their disgusting smug prioritising of ineffective lightbulbs over actual human needs. Of course, this video is not serious, but it does represent the arrogant, smug, middle class mentality of environment people.

"You know the greatest ecological crime being committed right now ? The bombing of Vietnam. And we think that until the ecology movement starts recognising these facts, it will remain largely irrelevant to the majority of people in the world." - Huey Newton in 1971

not to be a broken record but there are many, many "environmental people" in the third world who are witnessing and experiencing first hand the destruction of their environments (and themselves). the dismissal of environmentalism as a "arrogant, smug, middle class" homogenous movement ultimately aids the corporations and governments actively destroying land and people. there are certainly plenty of criticisms to level against some sections of the environmental movement in the west but how does dismissing the whole thing and the serious environmental issues we are all facing do anything but serve the bourgeoisie? they have adopted green rhetoric precisely because these issues are real and people care about them and they want to co-opt them and divert attention from themselves. it isn't terribly difficult to figure this out and it certainly doesn't make the problems dissapear or make all of the people struggling to fight them suddenly being on the side of the bourgeoisie- the vast majority of people fighting on environmental issues in the world recognize who the real enemy is.

and what "actual human needs" are you referring to? i think having air that is breathable, land that can sustain crops, forests that can clean the air and keep growing to produce new wood, oceans that can support life or fuck, lightbulbs that last longer and save you money are fairly important needs.

[Amphictyonis]

I like to drink mercury. Environmentalists are crazy.

[Il Medico]

Haha. As I was leaving for school today, I noticed that this was on the tele...on Glen Beck's show. I'm sure hilarity ensued.

[AK]

This is the worst propaganda I've ever seen. It's like us saying be a communist or we'll kill your family. How the fuck could anyone ever think that this would help?
Why didn't anyone inform me of a change of recruitment tactics?

[bailey_187]

i can't recall them ever say anything about the numerous people actually blown to pieces by security forces in the developing world for opposing policies that were destroying their environment.

This point would make sense if it wasnt for the fact that the people doing this (i.e. the British government etc) wernt also supporters of this 10:10 bollocks

[Aeval]

It might have been self-ironic?

Internal humour you know, the same way as somewhat more sane people here are joking about the fringe of the fringe-movements.

I completely agree!

I don't get why people are getting so stressed about this advert, it's clearly meant to be tongue-in-cheek. It's totally over the top, plays up to the image many have of environmentalists being smug and authoritarian, it's suppose to be funny and more than likely has been made like that to get people ranting about it - so it's been a success really :lol:

[Omi]

You are comparing the two forms of environmentalism in the same way as one might compare one high classed union bureaucrat in the western world to some poor third world agricultural workers getting shot by paramilitaries trying to organise a union in Latin America. The comparison is simply bullocks.

The destruction and robbing of third world resources is one of the major components of modern day imperialism (globalisation) and to attribute resistance against this to middle class smugness is ignoring the reality of a great deal of struggle the third world and indeed large portions of the western world are facing.

[bailey_187]

The destruction and robbing of third world resources is one of the major components of modern day imperialism (globalisation) and to attribute resistance against this to middle class smugness is ignoring the reality of a great deal of struggle the third world and indeed large portions of the western world are facing.

Yeah but the response by the anti-imperialists in these countries such as Venezuela is that the resources should be used still, but for the benefit of the mass of the population's benefit. The environmentalists oppose the extraction and use of these resources by anyone.

[bcbm]

This point would make sense if it wasnt for the fact that the people doing this (i.e. the British government etc) wernt also supporters of this 10:10 bollocks

"they have adopted green rhetoric precisely because these issues are real and people care about them and they want to co-opt them and divert attention from themselves"

the fact that they may be involved in environmental destruction and the murder of environmental activists while pushing a "green" line still raises the question of why one would choose to focus on attacking them exclusively for their green stance, rather than their hypocrisy and why one would attack environmentalism as being entirely some smug, middle-class movement when that is not the reality at all.


Yeah but the response by the anti-imperialists in these countries such as Venezuela is that the resources should be used still, but for the benefit of the mass of the population's benefit. The environmentalists oppose the extraction and use of these resources by anyone.

i don't think peasants pushing bulldozers off cliffs to prevent their forests and homes from being razed for export or tearing up gm crops are sending a particularly ambiguous message.

[scarletghoul]

i don't think peasants pushing bulldozers off cliffs to prevent their forests and homes from being razed for export or tearing up gm crops are sending a particularly ambiguous message.
It's rare to hear the smug middle class environmentalists in this country talk about indigenous peoples struggle anywhere in the world. Rather, they tend to ignore any human element of struggle (unless its in some condescending fantasy Avatar type thing, but even that is uncommon). The vast majority of all the environmentalist shit we hear makes no reference to any real human struggle. This attitude is what I have a problem with. That's why I used that Huey Newton quote.

Surely you should be able to see the difference between a people fighting for their homes against global capitalism, and some twat going 'change your light bulbs and you will help us to save the environment'. You admit that the people are protesting against the destruction of their home, not some abstract magical 'environment' thing. There is a blatant difference.

[Vanguard1917]

the fact that they may be involved in environmental destruction and the murder of environmental activists while pushing a "green" line still raises the question of why one would choose to focus on attacking them exclusively for their green stance, rather than their hypocrisy and why one would attack environmentalism as being entirely some smug, middle-class movement when that is not the reality at all.

It's one thing to criticise companies' pollution, but something altogether different to accept the entirely reactionary political conclusions drawn by the bulk of the environmentalist movement. The first does not need to go hand in hand with the second.

[Vanguard1917]

You admit that the people are protesting against the destruction of their home, not some abstract magical 'environment' thing. There is a blatant difference.

Yep. Greens in the West ascribe their own ideas to those in the developing world simply responding to attacks on their livelihoods. In reality, of course, perhaps the number one demand of the vast majority of the world's poor is much more economic development in their countries, something which capitalism has failed to provide for them and something which greens in the West openly tell them that they should not aspire to.

[bcbm]

Surely you should be able to see the difference between a people fighting for their homes against global capitalism, and some twat going 'change your light bulbs and you will help us to save the environment'. You admit that the people are protesting against the destruction of their home, not some abstract magical 'environment' thing. There is a blatant difference.

of course there is a difference and the vast majority of environmental concerns, the vast majority of any "environmentalist" movement that could be said to exist, are the people affected by those things fighting back against them. the smug western environmentalists you talk about are a minority and, once again, i'm not sure why you would attack the movement as a whole instead of criticizing the actions of specific sections of it. there are plenty of sound environmentalist arguments, even in the west and it is important to recognize that the 'bourgeois' elements of the movement are attempting to recuperate genuine concern and funnel it into a new market. capitalism is the problem, not environmentalism.


perhaps the number one demand of the vast majority of the world's poor is much more economic development in their countries

"Development is the most hated word among these people, because in its name they have lost their land, their resources and their dignity (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/1004/1224280311136.html)"