Ecuadorean Communists show resistance against the failed coup

[The Vegan Marxist]

OCTOBER 1, 2010
Chronicle of the glorious resistance of the communists and the masses against the fascist coup in Ecuador


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On the morning of Thursday, September 30, 2010 the headquarters of the National Police were taken by troops and police officers, that based on the refusal to the approval of the Law on Civil Service and Administrative Careers (LOSCCA) stated claim "conquests" business as bond promotions, and decorations, and toys, up to this fact, President Rafael Correa came to the facility's main police station in the country (Regiment Quito 1), where it was forged, what more later be confirmed, a coup attempt, from the time a series of events began to occur inucitados a few minutes to give a statement the president was the victim of kidnapping in the facilities of the Hospital de la Policia 1, later communications the internet, mainly from the CNT-owned company, began to fail, while in the various television channels was silent, much like what happened in Venezuela, in minutes, Fire, Servers Judicial Ministries Servers People's Front (organization of the MPD-PCMLE) adhered to the protest police, airport operations were closed, streets were filled with protesters, pickets and roadblocks to the order of the situation, the "innocent" slogans by Bond claims and others, were transformed into a high-sounding "out Correa", "Correa fucked you you got to the police, alongside hundreds of luxury cars harangued the police with their horns to show their appreciation to the overthrow President


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Police P-supported fascist "CML" E hoxhista repressing progressive (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mY4r4Q2Il5M/SmYVoX3o7aI/AAAAAAAAA6g/HTKkIfarfY4/4.jpg)

Later, the concentration of the Popular Front government supporters assaulted on their way to Independence Square to support the rule of law. While the military, even titubientes, expressing their support for President, at the same time, social organizations, democratic forces were added to the combat alert against the coup attempt, and met in front of the Palacio de Carondelet, several interventions encouraged supporters , among which were: supporters "loose" government, Central Country Movement, militant socialists and the Communist Party of Ecuador Ecuador-Communist Youth


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The Communist Party of Ecuador came to their bases warn of a possible coup attempt, when the act was consummated was launched called "combat alert" all the militants had to turn to the streets to defend the process, the democratic order and Constitution, dealing with the most reactionary forces in the country, would delay elements of the oligarchy, the right coup was when, once concentrated in the Plaza de la Independencia, a march was encouraged "to rescue the president" to the Police Hospital 1, meanwhile, the media did not mention anything about the popular reaction. Long columns of activists, supporters, and the brave men were heading home, crossing the San Juan, Las Casas, crowded neighborhoods of Quito, up to 5 blocks from Hospital, where he met with the Special Operations Group (GOE ) of the Police, and the repression began,


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The fascists paid by the CIA and supported by the MPD-P "CML" E repressing the people


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while, on Avenida Mariana de Jesus, against the Police Hospital met thousands of people to "rescue" the president, in both places continued repression, but in the San Gabriel Street, where the march progressed from Plaza de la Independencia lived dramatic moments of unusual violence, which specify the nature of the coup-there-more than confirmed shouts coming from the side of the police connote the meaning of his "insubordination", "are funded by Fidel" , "we do not communist" were the slogans of the police while the demonstrators assaulted including communists, who put together a dozen barricades with the help of neighborhood residents, police burned groups mockingly PCE red flags, fighting in this sector is long anguish, in the afternoon the outlook was bleak, gusts of pellets, rubber bullets, tear gas was the beginning of what later would be a despicable act, several "policemen", which actually were employees of the right, firing their guns at the protesters, bursts of gunfire were heard as the night you could not see from where the shots


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The fascist oppressors who are considered "proletarian" by the ultra-left degenerate MPD-P "CML" E

groups of protesters responded with national and cartridge revolvers, however, was a futile effort, firing rifles began to hear the other side, dozens of tear gas flooded the room, the police evacuated the area around the Hospital, on both sides police and "police" started to look for demonstrators hidden among premises and houses in the neighborhood was a patrol of assassins, was reported among the leaders that at 7:30 the military would take over the Hospital, but at 8 : 00 not envisioned an adventurous departure, the sound of bursts of guns announced the end of "insubordination"


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The perpetrators of this attempted coup snuggles the Ecuadorian people to civil war, Lucio Gutierrez, Fausto Cobo, Gilmar Gutierrez, all military (service person) came to forging this official (SP) of the police, that certain influences on the remote half of the troops and officers, attempted to strike, together with the MPD-PCMLE them, right-wing bureaucracy entrenched in the institutions of State, Justice, Ministries servers, etc, with some connivance of the Interior Minister Gustavo Jalhk and all the apparatus of the fascist right and the coup in Ecuador, as the media, who ignore the popular reaction. The recipe has been repeated, was first in Venezuela and then "successfully" in Honduras, we came saying that imperialism strikes the process of political and social development in Latin America since the weaker sites, we must recognize that the process Ecuador, but has emerged victorious on this occasion, is not exactly the strongest, especially when from inside the government itself are right-wing elements that seek to obscure the involvement of the revolutionary left, and aim to replace it with "mediocre" movements citizens, the truth is that the September 30, who went to fight in an organized and organized the march were the leftist organizations, including the Communist Party of Ecuador, this should be a call to the president, so that the dynamics This showdown with the oligarchy and imperialism will realize that it does nothing to "opportunistic", "Boy Scouts" and "rights", but left-wing organizations that propose from now on: RADICALIZATION


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see the blog of the brave comrades: http://jcepichincha.blogspot.com/2010/10/el-golpismo-no-paso-una-breve-cronica.html

http://civilizacionsocialista.blogspot.com/2010/10/cronica-de-la-gloriosa-resistencia-de.html

[The Vegan Marxist]

Here's a really good photo of the Young Communist Youth leading the mass people of Ecuador against the coup & in defense for President Correa:

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[DragonQuestWes]

That just goes to say: "¡El pueblo unido, jamás será vencido!" ("The people united, will never be defeated!")

I for one am glad that the coup failed, because I'm tired of the right-wing fucks pulling out the same shit out of their ass as they did when they unlawfully detained Manuel Zelaya in Honduras. Everybody knew that there was a coup in Honduras.

[Barry Lyndon]

The behavior of the Hoxhaists during this coup is outright class treason. Cheers for the good Ecuadorean leftists who stood against the right wing, and damn the ultra-left opportunists!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Why must every right-wing force be portrayed as fascist? :rolleyes:

Though, the rest of the article is helpful, comrade. Could you tell me more about the hoxhaists in Ecuador, please?

[Wanted Man]

:lol: I wonder if the MPD (the crown in the jewel of the Hoxhaist movement, according to Hoxhaists on here) will now also be expelled from their international organisation for supporting a police/military coup attempt.

[scarletghoul]

WOo. Good to see this.
Here's a really good photo of the Young Communist Youth leading the mass people of Ecuador against the coup & in defense for President Correa:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9orxaL2GA1qap9gno1_500.jpgGreat picture but they don't really look like 'youth' tbh..

[Delenda Carthago]

It is not just the PCMLE that supported the coup.PCR and CPE where against Correa too.Plus many anarchist organisations .Other than Ecuadoreans, CPSpain ML and an italian CP whose name i dont remember where also in solidarity with the revolt against Correa...

[Lenin II]

Interesting developments. Thanks for the updates.

Most of these questions posed by other posters have already been answered here. I’d advise you to check it out. (6 pages of back-and-forth provide some dialectics): http://www.revleft.com/vb/ecuadorean-coup-detati-t142548/index6.html

The MPD, PCMLE, PCR (in Brazil) and KKE in Greece support the protests.

I agree with the PCMLE and all the others on this: the "coup" should be supported by the left without showing solidarity with the police/the army per se but to strengthen public opposition and hopefully lead it in a progressive direction. Completely rejecting any participation in this movement just because the police plays a major role or even sympathizing with Correa won't help anybody but the latter.

We all know here that Ecuador is not a socialist state, nor is it heading towards socialism.

Have you ever been to Ecuador? I have. It’s not much different than Brazil, Argentina, Chile or any other capitalist country.

The means of production are privately owned. The land is privately owned. The production relations are for profit with a minimal amount of elasticity in the government to allow for greater or smaller sums of money to be spent on social programs.

There are also vast sections of desperately poor and repressed Indigenous people. That’s the reality of the situation.

As for accusations of supporting police, no one is defending the police department as an institution, but we can’t control who protests and who doesn’t. No doubt there are protests where reactionary personalities take part in them all the time—just look at the rightists that showed up to anti-war protests in Atlanta, the Bay Area and everywhere else.

As a note, Correa is a reactionary US-trained leader and economist. Correa has the support of US imperialism.

The US and Canadians imperialists support Correa:


“Statements were also released by the US Department of State and later in the day by Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs, which remain important trade and investment partners for the oil-dependent Andean nation. The US urged Ecuadorians “to work within the framework of Ecuador’s democratic institutions to reach a rapid and peaceful restoration of order," whereas Canada said that "it is concerned about growing unrest" and reiterated "support for the democratically elected government of the Republic of Ecuador."

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/component/content/article/2720-report-from-ecuador-democracy-under-threat

Hillary “Sanctions will not harm Iran” Clinton and the US ambassador have come out against the protests as well:


“Along with the rest of the region's leaders and the United States, they expressed firm support for Correa.”

“"We urge all Ecuadoreans to come together and to work within the framework of Ecuador's democratic institutions to reach a rapid and peaceful restoration of order," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in a statement.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-09-30-ecuador-unrest_N.htm


At the United Nations, a spokesperson for Ban Ki-moon said the secretary-general "expresses his strong support for the country's democratic institutions and elected government," was concerned about Correa's physical condition and personal welfare and called on all involved "to resolve the current crisis peacefully, within the rule of law."

In Washington, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said U.S. officials were closely following the events. "The United States deplores violence and lawlessness and we express our full support for President Rafael Correa, and the institutions of democratic government in that country," she said. "We urge all Ecuadoreans to come together and to work within the framework of Ecuador's democratic institutions to reach a rapid and peaceful restoration of order."

In a statement from its base in Atlanta, Georgia, the Carter Center said it was "deeply concerned" about the reports and "expresses its support for the constitutional government of [Ecuador] and its democratically elected President Rafael Correa Delgado. We lament the disturbances and violence. The center urges that the problems be resolved quickly through respect for the rule of law and constitutional means."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/09/30/ecuador.violence/index.html?hpt=T1

The European Union also supports him. Sebastián Piñera, the conservative neo-liberal in Chile, the most radically free market state in Latin America, supports him too.

People on this forum draw parallels to the right-wing coup in Honduras, but it’s notable that the Honduran coup government, against which the Honduran people are struggling and fighting for their lives against right now, also support Correa’s “democratic order.”


I wonder if the MPD (the crown in the jewel of the Hoxhaist movement, according to Hoxhaists on here) will now also be expelled from their international organisation for supporting a police/military coup attempt.

It’s been shown it was not just police. The protests at large also involved large numbers of Indigenous people across six different major cities. Mostly Indigenous labor and the general population participated in addition to the pigs.

In fact, Indigienous population condemned the coup attempt by police WHILE supporting the protests:


Although indigenous and other social organizations in Ecuador have been in conflict with the Correa administration for the last few years, important groups such as the Confederation of Indigeous Nationalities of Ecuador (CONAIE) and ECUARUNARI, the large highland affiliate of the CONAIE, made strong statements condemning all threats on Ecuadorian democracy.

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/component/content/article/2720-report-from-ecuador-democracy-under-threat


The behavior of the Hoxhaists during this coup is outright class treason. Cheers for the good Ecuadorean leftists who stood against the right wing, and damn the ultra-left opportunists!

Communists tend to be “traitors” to the capitalist order since they intend to overthrow the capitalist government of their respective countries.

If a Marxist is going to support Correa he/she could at least make the argument that he has the support of progressive sectors of society (Kim Jong-Il, Ahmadinijad, etc.) and not bourgeois arguments like “he was elected.”

FROM WSWS:
http://wsws.org/articles/2010/oct2010/ecua-o02.shtml


While the “citizens’ revolution” proclaimed by Correa, a US-trained economist, has posed no direct challenge to capitalism in Ecuador, some of his policies have earned Washington’s ire. These include his refusal to renew the lease on a key strategic air base used by the US military in Manta, on the Pacific coast. The government has carried out changes in Ecuador’s agreements with the multinational energy corporations that have cut into their profits. It has also defaulted on some $3.2 billion in international debt since 2008.

The country has faced mounting difficulty in obtaining funding after the default and in financing its estimated $2.7 billion budget deficit.

In response, the Correa government has turned to austerity measures aimed in particular at the public sector, which has provoked union and student protests. Among these measures are proposals to pay pensions for retired public sector workers in part with government bonds and a reorganization of the work force that is expected to produce mass layoffs.

In the aftermath of Thursday’s events, the country’s major union federations issued a joint statement declaring their defense of democracy and the constitution against “authoritarianism, arbitrariness, abuse, attacks; from whomever they come.” While disassociating themselves from “the right, the oligarchy and any adventurer who promotes anarchy,” they called for renewed struggle against the public sector law and condemned the state of emergency imposed in response to the police uprising as “a pretext to violate human rights.”

Thursday’s coup attempt and the televised scenes of the two arms of the security forces exchanging gunfire have underscored Ecuador’s deep-going social and political crisis and the increasing instability of the state. While the Obama administration and the CIA are undoubtedly seeking to exploit this crisis to advance US imperialism’s interests in the region, the fundamental source is the insoluble contradiction between the interests of the Ecuadorian working people and those of the country’s ruling elite and foreign capital.

While a failure, the police uprising represents a stark warning. Correa was restored to the presidential palace by the military, whose loyalty in the future is hardly assured. The threat of a new coup and the imposition of rightwing dictatorship remains. It can be successfully countered only by means of the independent mobilization of the working class in the struggle for socialism.

PCMLE FROM THE EVENTS OF SEPTEMBER 30


The Ecuador has long been the stage for several months, the intensification and expansion of social struggles that various sectors of the working people, trade unionists, indigenous groups, farmers, teachers, young students, civil servants, small businessmen, pensioners, are developed to oppose the policies of the government of Rafael Correa in the events that damage the national interest of the peoples and their organizations, reinforce or embody neoliberal policies, privatization and submissive.

Workers have erected their actions in defense of union rights that have wanted to be canceled by the government, indigenous peoples throughout the country fought in defense of water as a vital human resource, rural and indigenous communities opposed to the submissive nature and predation of the Mining Act, the teachers demanding better security for national education, as opposed to a retaliatory assessments and exclusive, and students and all universities in the country, against the Higher Education Act eliminating the autonomy of the university, the student co-governance , free admission, other gains and rights, public officials have mobilized to defend their stability, their conquests reached after long struggles, the retirees to improve their pensions and care from Social Security, small traders have been on the streets by a law that guarantees their right to work, social security and other gains.

These demonstrations and protests have also denounced the regime's position to favor the imperialist oil monopolies, mining, telecommunications, to encourage borrowing, at a disadvantage, to involve the country in Plan Colombia and promote a policy that harms national sovereignty in signing the Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

President Correa has responded to these actions and allegations of anti social organizations, with an enforcement policy that leaves people dead, injured and extensive damage as in the case of attacking the population of "terrorism, the miners of Azuay The murder of Professor Bosco Wisum Shuar, the violent eviction of the miners of Zamora and other events. Leaders of organized labor, indigenous, peasant, student, teachers have been arrested, prosecuted and persecuted, are the subject of heinous attacks and slander by a sound and atiborrante big media campaign that the government controls, calling them "mediocre "" terrorists, "" corrupt ", etc.

Under this situation, the September 30 occurs in different parts of the country, the rebellion of the police forces, making the barracks, leaving the streets, in response to being given approval in the Assembly Legislative Public Service Act and the presidential veto, which means to take from this sector a number of benefits, achievements, subsidies, that had been made in the course of several years.

The mutinous troops reported these facts, even requiring the change of the leadership of the institution, but never stand for a change of government, for its overthrow and rather seek dialogue, cessation of authoritarian attitudes and to attend their situation. Under these conditions, the struggle of police forces is added to other popular sectors in defense of their aspirations, their rights and achievements.

The revolutionary left, the communists, we assume a duty to support this and all the struggles to defend the interests of the people and country. We believe it is a fallacy to acknowledge that these actions are part of a "conspiracy" against democracy, the government formed and is part of an attempted "coup" of "fascists", the "right" , with the "participation of the left", without showing at all these implications.

The regime's persistent complaint about the alleged "coup against democracy in Ecuador" immediately brought the backs of the American government and the UN, yet also generated, the pronouncements of the UNASUR, the governments of the region as Venezuela , Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguay, and Colombia, Chile and Peru.

It should be noted that most social organizations that have claimed their aspirations have demarcated fields and denounced the actions of real or supposed right-wing conspiracy, the 'party of the oligarchy and imperialism. Thus pronounced CONAIE ECUARRUNARI, trade unions, the Popular Front and all its organizations, so that conspiracy charges fall under its own weight.

The same Chief of the Joint Command of the Armed Forces, General Ernesto González, supported the constitutional order, insisted on the request for review or cancellation of the Public Service Act, the cause of conflicts, to appear in the chain indefinite and mandatory the government ordered all the country's media, as was the request of all unruly police spokesmen, while the channels and could pick up those statements so that their needs are met. The famous "conspiracy against democracy" that the government and its officials reported, does not appear anywhere ... ...

The events were serious and widespread, but it overflowed, when making a show of arrogance, an open attitude reckless, Correa went to confront the rebels and received a rejection, even the irascible excesses, who were in Quito Regiment, was granted asylum at the Police Hospital from where the night was taken in the midst of a surprising and disproportionate military operation that was broadcast on radio and TV across the country, seriously jeopardizing the life of president himself, causing multiple fatalities of such action, dozens injured, extensive damage to the facilities of the nursing home.

After his dramatic exit, Correa comes amid applause and cheers from his supporters at the Plaza Grande, to repeat the poses authoritarian, arrogant and restraining; accusations without proof, distort the truth and call the "public vengeance" that " no forgiveness or forgetting "against the plotters, etc.

The revolutionaries, communists, workers and peoples, we know that democracy is a conquest of the masses over hundreds of years and that's why we defend it despite its limitations and exclusions. Representative democracy is an expression of power of the dominant classes, protects their interests, for the most part, for the working class, remains a rhetoric on whose behalf they are cut out and runs. Being clear about these concepts, the social struggle, the actions of workers and peoples, the very rebellion of the troops of the police, did not intend to raise or break the country's institutional life and less is the result of the toil and coup conspiracy right, the party-and imperialism. The way of the workers and peoples of the revolutionary left is clearly defined, independent walking in search of their final release and daily in the fight for their rights, aspirations, social and democratic achievements.

It must be said, however, that the government preaching that there was a "coup" was a success and confused the public sector in the country and abroad. At the popular level, things are clear. Yesterday's events are a new episode of social struggle.

Beyond attitudes vindictive and retaliatory sanctions regime applies, it leaves deep wounds in the police forces and various social sectors, the government of the "citizens' revolution" now claim victory, know that the struggle workers, youth and people continues, because we are still in crisis, is still injustice, social inequalities are increasing, it overflows and no punishment of acts of corruption. The ferment, social struggle and aspiration of real change is being constituted in a flag of growing and largest segments of our people. Popular consciousness grows!

We demand the annulment of presidential vetoes and anti-people and anti-national elements containing relevant laws and reforms to the Hydrocarbons Law, the Law of Zoning, Public Service, Higher Education, the Code of Public Finance and others harm workers, youth and people. Similarly, for the immediate repeal of the "state of exception", because since the government says there is no internal disturbance.

Today is the time to work more strongly for the unity of all sectors that we defend our just aspirations, social gains and rights, for those who strive for a better future. Herein lies, without doubt, the strength of the people, it is the guarantee of victory!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

The above poster says that Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmedinajad have support of progressive sectors of society. Wow.

[Crux]

The above poster says that Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmedinajad have support of progressive sectors of society. Wow.
uhm, what?
It's hard for me to see a clear picture from over here, but to me it seems like the hoxhaists are acting in an ultra-left fashion. I am not necessarily endorsing Correa, and it seems to me an independent worker's organization needs to be built, capable of responding to attack's made even by the Correa government. But at present I have no reason to believe the threat from the golpistas are not real, and they must be defeated, not implicitly sided with.
Edit:The PCMLE seem a bit confused on tactics: http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv10n1/ecuador.htm with a 200 000 support they chose to side with Gutierrez (the present leader of the right-wing opposition) as a patriotic and anti-crisis candidate?

[Lenin II]

The above poster says that Kim Jong Il and Mahmoud Ahmedinajad have support of progressive sectors of society. Wow.

Are you saying they don’t?

Nearly everyone is in the Workers’ Party – unlike Ecuador, there is no sizeable “other” party to support. The Trots in Solidarity once said they tried to set up independent organizations in the DPRK but that they were “brainwashed” by the evil “Stalinists (please, I wish) in the Workers’ Party.

As for Iran, the Communist Parties there supported the protests, albeit opportunistically in the case of the Maoists. In the case of the “Hoxhaists,” they supported initially and attempted to seize control of the movement.

As we all know, they failed and the CIA basically took control of it in league with Mousavi supporters. Internationally we were against the protests because we recognized that direction it was heading. The Party of Labor of Iran then condemned the Mousavi and infiltrating elements in the protests. They were unable to play a leadership role since most of their leadership and CC is in exile from the Islamic Republic, their main organs are active in the country but apparently not enough.

I’ve never been to Iran so I can’t attest to their practices, I actually know much more about the Maoists, and from what I can see their line on the Iran/Israel conflict is utterly reactionary. I’m biased from the start of course, but even so I prefer the Party of Labor’s line to the CPI (M)’s.

In any case, the situations in the DPRK, Iran and Ecuador are obviously incredibly different.


It's hard for me to see a clear picture from over here, but to me it seems like the hoxhaists are acting in an ultra-left fashion.

If it’s ultra-left to not be on the same side as Hillary Clinton then sign me up.


I am not necessarily endorsing Correa, and it seems to me an independent worker's organization needs to be built, capable of responding to attack's made even by the Correa government.

I agree, but these Communist Parties I have mentioned are capable of gathering over 500,000 people and have done it before.


But at present I have no reason to believe the threat from the golpistas are not real, and they must be defeated, not implicitly sided with.

I agree. I don't think the tactics of the US from the 1800's to today have changed much, or ever will.

[Crux]

If it’s ultra-left to not be on the same side as Hillary Clinton then sign me up.
Well, I would doubt the honesty of the U.S position in taking a stance against the coup. Look at Honduras, there they too "stood against" the coup but were quick to rehabilitate them as soon as they assumed power.

[Nolan]

The behavior of the Hoxhaists during this coup is outright class treason. Cheers for the good Ecuadorean leftists who stood against the right wing, and damn the ultra-left opportunists!

Protesting against neoliberal policy from a social democrat is class treason?

[Bright Banana Beard]

Well, I would doubt the honesty of the U.S position in taking a stance against the coup. Look at Honduras, there they too "stood against" the coup but were quick to rehabilitate them as soon as they assumed power. They did not, they did not officially call it a "coup". They asked for respect for law and order. Quite different.

[Wanted Man]

It is not just the PCMLE that supported the coup.PCR and CPE where against Correa too.Plus many anarchist organisations .Other than Ecuadoreans, CPSpain ML and an italian CP whose name i dont remember where also in solidarity with the revolt against Correa...

What, a whole bunch of maoists and hoxhaists? Who cares?


Interesting developments. Thanks for the updates.

Most of these questions posed by other posters have already been answered here. I’d advise you to check it out. (6 pages of back-and-forth provide some dialectics): http://www.revleft.com/vb/ecuadorean-coup-detati-t142548/index6.html

The MPD, PCMLE, PCR (in Brazil) and KKE in Greece support the protests.

Bullshit as far as the KKE are concerned: http://inter.kke.gr/News/2010news/2010-10-01-equador


I agree with the PCMLE and all the others on this: the "coup" should be supported by the left without showing solidarity with the police/the army per se but to strengthen public opposition and hopefully lead it in a progressive direction. Completely rejecting any participation in this movement just because the police plays a major role or even sympathizing with Correa won't help anybody but the latter.

That's lovely, but as Mayakovsky showed, they actually supported the reactionary president before Correa. So all of this principled talk about "progressive directions" sounds to me like a load of crap that Hoxhaists on Revleft are making up on the spot to make everything fit with their own ideas.


We all know here that Ecuador is not a socialist state, nor is it heading towards socialism.

Have you ever been to Ecuador? I have. It’s not much different than Brazil, Argentina, Chile or any other capitalist country.

The means of production are privately owned. The land is privately owned. The production relations are for profit with a minimal amount of elasticity in the government to allow for greater or smaller sums of money to be spent on social programs.

There are also vast sections of desperately poor and repressed Indigenous people. That’s the reality of the situation.

Well, shit, no news there. Who ever claimed otherwise?

Also, as Mayakovsky's link shows, the PCMLE don't even believe that socialist revolution is possible. In that respect, them supporting and supplying a minister to a deeply reactionary government makes a lot more sense.


As for accusations of supporting police, no one is defending the police department as an institution, but we can’t control who protests and who doesn’t. No doubt there are protests where reactionary personalities take part in them all the time—just look at the rightists that showed up to anti-war protests in Atlanta, the Bay Area and everywhere else.

Completely different. Local anti-war protests can't overthrow the US government and they don't include sections of society like the police and the military. What an incredible comparison. Every American protests has a few nutters who "turn up"; perhaps they'll even include Hoxhaists some day. Of course, none of them have the potential to lead anything, they're not armed and they don't include attempts by the police and military to take control.

A better comparison on the purely ideological level (discounting the police and military factor) would be something like American Hoxhaists supporting the Tea Parties because, you know, Obama is not a real socialist. :rolleyes:


As a note, Correa is a reactionary US-trained leader and economist. Correa has the support of US imperialism.

The US and Canadians imperialists support Correa:



http://upsidedownworld.org/main/component/content/article/2720-report-from-ecuador-democracy-under-threat

Hillary “Sanctions will not harm Iran” Clinton and the US ambassador have come out against the protests as well:



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-09-30-ecuador-unrest_N.htm



http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/09/30/ecuador.violence/index.html?hpt=T1

The European Union also supports him. Sebastián Piñera, the conservative neo-liberal in Chile, the most radically free market state in Latin America, supports him too.

People on this forum draw parallels to the right-wing coup in Honduras, but it’s notable that the Honduran coup government, against which the Honduran people are struggling and fighting for their lives against right now, also support Correa’s “democratic order.”

No news here, either. Likewise, when Honduras was couped, the US and all the right-wing governments of Latin America also said a lot about supporting the legitimate government, rule of law, blah, blah, blah. How much of a difference did that make? In fact, considering this fact, Hoxhaist logic dictates that we should support the Honduran coup.




It’s been shown it was not just police. The protests at large also involved large numbers of Indigenous people across six different major cities. Mostly Indigenous labor and the general population participated in addition to the pigs.

In fact, Indigienous population condemned the coup attempt by police WHILE supporting the protests:



http://upsidedownworld.org/main/component/content/article/2720-report-from-ecuador-democracy-under-threat

Which is quite a bit different from what you lot are doing, no matter how much you try to spin it retroactively.




Communists tend to be “traitors” to the capitalist order since they intend to overthrow the capitalist government of their respective countries.

If a Marxist is going to support Correa he/she could at least make the argument that he has the support of progressive sectors of society (Kim Jong-Il, Ahmadinijad, etc.) and not bourgeois arguments like “he was elected.”

:lol: No comment necessary here, really.

Well, I'd actually add that the "bourgeois" argument that Correa was elected makes sense to some degree. Even if we don't back the idea of bourgeois democracy, it's quite a different thing to favour a military coup.

[Ismail]

Bullshit as far as the KKE are concerned:He meant the pro-Hoxha KKE 1918-55, which is a part of the ICMLPO and which called for solidarity with Anarchist protesters in 2008, and condemned the KKE in very strong terms over their refusal to back said protests.

I am 90% sure that the ICMLPO itself backs the PCMLE view on the Ecuadorian protests.

[Crux]

Protesting against neoliberal policy from a social democrat is class treason?
Certainly not, but as has been noted the Hoxhaists took part in the former government in ecuador, although they did quit after 6 month's (probably realizing Gutierrez wasn't the "patriot" he seemed). And now they're advocating armed insurrection against Correa in midst of a coup led by parts of the police force? I am not saying Correa should necessarily be supported, I have no doubt in the political limitations of his movement, but Hoxhaists seem to be perpetuatly standing on their head politically. Not all that dissimilar of the confused tactics of the Comintern under stalin against fascism, with the ultra-left Third Periodism quickly followed by Popular Frontism and alliances with the bourgeoisie.

[Ismail]

Certainly not, but as has been noted the Hoxhaists took part in the former government in ecuador, although they did quit after 6 month's (probably realizing Gutierrez wasn't the "patriot" he seemed).In 1967, Hoxha talked with Pedro Pomar of the PCdoB and said that, "[T]he Party will not give up its independence, will not participate in any given popular front and let itself be destroyed. On the contrary it must keep independent and hold tight on its principles and norms." (Rruga e Partisë, 1977) The PCMLE makes sure it doesn't fall into the trap of being an appendage of the bourgeoisie, hence the MPD has a reputation of having bad blood with every Ecuadorian government ever since its inception in 1978.

[Crux]

In 1967, Hoxha talked with Pedro Pomar of the PCdoB and said that, "[T]he Party will not give up its independence, will not participate in any given popular front and let itself be destroyed. On the contrary it must keep independent and hold tight on its principles and norms." (Rruga e Partisë, 1977) The PCMLE makes sure it doesn't fall into the trap of being an appendage of the bourgeoisie, hence the MPD has a reputation of having bad blood with every Ecuadorian government ever since its inception in 1978.
On the PCMLE and MPD’s support for Lucio Gutierrez: (http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv10n1/ecuador.htm)
Our party and movement supported the project of Lucio Gutierrez because at that time he emerged as a figure symbolic of the popular consciousness of the people in Ecuador for change.
Lucio Gutierrez came out of the military during the insurrection of 2000 to support the people. If he had not come out nobody would have known who he was. He was democratic and also patriotic so we thought we could reflect our own vision of the future through his project. Our problem was that we did not have our own candidate and had to use someone else to reflect our programme.


We did not support Lucio Gutierrez as a person but his project which is called New Ecuador which was a democratic proposal. It was not even anti-imperialist but it was anti-crisis so we thought it was important to support it. For the first time in Ecuador we had a candidate for Presidency, with a chance of winning electorally, who was not a candidate of the bourgeoisie or the imperialist parties but a candidate coming out of the people, so it was important to support the consciousness of the people.


The groups of the bourgeoisie were a little afraid of what was going on with Lucio Gutierrez because our movement supported him with 200,000 votes. After the first round of elections (which did not result in outright victory for any candidate, forcing the elections on to the second round) the bourgeoisie did not see their interests reflected in any of the candidates so they started working on Lucio Gutierrez.
In the Gutierrez government we had one minister of environment but we were working both within and outside the government, mobilizing the people.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Certainly not, but as has been noted the Hoxhaists took part in the former government in ecuador, although they did quit after 6 month's (probably realizing Gutierrez wasn't the "patriot" he seemed).

Why the bloody hell did the Ecuadorian Hoxhaists succumb to ministerialism and coalitionism?

[Ismail]

Why the bloody hell did the Ecuadorian Hoxhaists succumb to ministerialism and coalitionism?Because the MPD (which does the "ministerialism") is a legal party which seeks mass support whereas the PCMLE is illegal and has militias. The MPD is not explicitly socialist (though it constantly promotes the reading of Marx, Lenin, etc.), the PCMLE is.

[Crux]

Because the MPD (which does the "ministerialism") is a legal party which seeks mass support whereas the PCMLE is illegal and has militias. The MPD is not explicitly socialist (though it constantly promotes the reading of Marx, Lenin, etc.), the PCMLE is.
The MPD is the PCMLE electoral front.

[Ismail]

The MPD is the PCMLE electoral front.Yes, that was my point. The MPD has quite a few non-communists within it. They don't explicitly aim for a socialist revolution, because the PCMLE leadership basically believes that a regional revolution is more or less necessary. See: http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv16n1/icmlpola.htm

[Crux]

Yes, that was my point. But the MPD has quite a few non-communists within it.
So when will you respond to the PCMLE interview I linked?

[Ismail]

So when will you respond to the PCMLE interview I linked?I don't see the issue. They are acting in accordance with Marxism-Leninism.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Because the MPD (which does the "ministerialism") is a legal party which seeks mass support whereas the PCMLE is illegal and has militias. The MPD is not explicitly socialist (though it constantly promotes the reading of Marx, Lenin, etc.), the PCMLE is.

I wasn't referring to running in elections. I was referring to participating in legislative coalitions, accepting cabinet posts, etc.

[Ismail]

I wasn't referring to running in elections. I was referring to participating in legislative coalitions, accepting cabinet posts, etc.Again, the MPD seeks to be a broad, popular party. It attempts to move whatever coalition it is in to the left, and if they fails then hold protests, and if that fails they just resign from the cabinet. Their Presidential candidate was shot and killed (http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv5n1/hurtado.htm) in 1999, so it isn't like the bourgeoisie welcome them.

[Crux]

I don't see the issue. They are acting in accordance with Marxism-Leninism.
You don't see the issue?

[Ismail]

You don't see the issue?No, I do not see the issue. Like Correa, Gutiérrez presented himself as a "man of the people" and as Ecuador's "Chávez." As the PCMLE person interviewed in 2004 states:

Now we are calling on the people to carry out an insurrection against the government and take power into their own hands. Lucio Gutierrez now considers us his biggest enemies.

We were always conscious about what was going to happen. Gutierrez went to the School of the Americas and was trained there. So we were working both within and outside the government and continued with our work outside.

[Wanted Man]

He meant the pro-Hoxha KKE 1918-55, which is a part of the ICMLPO and which called for solidarity with Anarchist protesters in 2008, and condemned the KKE in very strong terms over their refusal to back said protests.

Who cares about them? Obviously, when someone says "KKE", it's pretty clear which party we're talking about, and it's not some sect that considers itself "Stalinist" (Trots must love them).


Again, the MPD seeks to be a broad, popular party. It attempts to move whatever coalition it is in to the left, and if they fails then hold protests, and if that fails they just resign from the cabinet. Their Presidential candidate was shot and killed (http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv5n1/hurtado.htm) in 1999, so it isn't like the bourgeoisie welcome them.

Wow! Is there some kind of leftist Nobel Prize for Incredibly Silly Tactics?

[Antifa94]

Purportedly the School of the Americas was behind the coup and George Bush wished to destabilize the region around 2008..
How many people died, out of curiosity?

http://www.voltairenet.org/article167155.html

Reports alleged Lucio Gutiérrez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucio_Guti%C3%A9rrez), a former president ousted by a popular uprising and leader of the opposition Sociedad Patriótica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_21_Patriotic_Society_Party) Party, had a hand in the attempted coup. He had been vocal in his opposition during the lead-up to the coup attempt. Gutiérrez suggested new elections "could be the constitutional solution to avoid the possibility of bloodshed in the country."[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-assembly_vs_congress-41)[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-42) coinciding with the actions of the police who had taken occupation of the assembly building.[44] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-43) His lawyer was reported to have been spotted amongst a crowd of officers that cut off the transmission of state television.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-44) Police also chanted "Lucio [Gutiérrez] president" [46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-EU-45) which is a direct connection to implicate the former president, who had also participated in the coup d'etat against Jamil Mahuad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamil_Mahuad).[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-46) After being rescued, Correa accused Gutiérrez for being behind the coup attempt.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-aljaz-26)
Journalist Jean-Guy Allard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Guy_Allard) claimed, on Radio Del Sur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_of_the_South), that the coup attempt "confirmed" a 2008 report by Defence Minister Javier Ponce on infiltration of the Ecuadorian police by United States intelligence agents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community), including funding of police equipment and operations, and payment of informers.[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-JGAllard_USAinfilt-47) In response to the 2008 report, US ambassador Heather Hodges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Hodges) stated that the US "works with" the Ecuadorian military and police "on objectives that are very important for security", including the "fight against drug trafficking."[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-evagolinger_hhodges-48) Allard also referred to former CIA agent Philip Agee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Agee)'s description of US involvement with the Ecuadorian police in the early 1960s.[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-JGAllard_USAinfilt-47) He cited his suspicion about the visit of several United States officials to Ecuador, officially "to deepen relations," during the months prior to the coup attempt was a "pretext."[clarification needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)][48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-JGAllard_USAinfilt-47) Pepe Escobar of Asia Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Times) also alleged that "everyone in South America" knows of US involvement, as he cited similar reaction to the Honduran coup.[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-49) Russia Today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Today) alleged a link between the School of the Americas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas) and the attempted coup.[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-50)[dubious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disputed_statement) – discuss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2010_Ecuador_crisis#Dubious)]
Venezuelan-American lawyer Eva Golinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Golinger) claimed that the coup attempt was part of a systematic, US-supported plan to destabilise member states of the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Alliance_for_the_Americas) (ALBA).[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-evagolinger_hhodges-48) She alleged that US ambassador Heather Hodges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Hodges) was sent to Ecuador by former US President George W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush) "with the intention of sowing destabilization against Correa, in case the Ecuadoran president refused to subordinate himself to Washington's agenda," and that Hodges increased the budget of USAID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Agency_for_International_Development ) and the NED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy) for social and political groups that "promote US interests." Golinger claimed that certain "progressive" social groups received "financing and guidelines in order to provoke destabilising situations in the country that go beyond the natural expressions of criticism and opposition to a government." According to Golinger, USAID's 2010 budget in Ecuador $38 million. She alleged that Pachakutik's call for Correa's resignation and support for the mutiny was funded by the NED and USAID.[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ecuador_crisis#cite_note-evagolinger_hhodges-48)
-Wikipedia

[The Vegan Marxist]

I know when the military came bursting into the hospital, they fired off rubber bullets, while the police fired real bullets. I think two military personnel died because of it, & to help conclude this wasn't just some protest for better "wages", they even fired real bullets at the vehicle that the President was in after being rescued. The intentions were to kill the President.

[Red Commissar]

I don't know, the original article seems too loose with the word "fascist". Using "ultra-left" seems kind of childish too.

I don't see what's so surprising that some people would be against Correa. Or much less the unreasonableness of being against the coup but not supporting Correa. Were any of these people actually involved on coup plan or were just protesting at the same time?

[Kléber]

Yes, that was my point. The MPD has quite a few non-communists within it. They don't explicitly aim for a socialist revolution, because the PCMLE leadership basically believes that a regional revolution is more or less necessary. See: http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv16n1/icmlpola.htm
"It is profitable and necessary to reiterate the elementary thought that no single country in its struggle has to 'wait' for the others, lest the idea of parallel international action be supplanted by the idea of procrastinating international inaction. Without waiting for the others we begin and we continue the struggle on our own national soil in complete certainty that our initiative will provide the impulse for the struggle in other countries; and if this were not so, then it would be hopeless to think – as is borne out both by historical experience and theoretical considerations – that revolutionary Russia, for example, would be able to maintain herself in the face of conservative Europe, or that Socialist Germany could remain isolated in a capitalist world."

[Ismail]

Except the PCMLE is struggling via the MPD. The point is a broad, anti-imperialist struggle. This gives impulse to resist imperialism across the rest of the Americas, and that's when the struggle for socialism begins in their view.

[Charles Xavier]

Anyone who supported the coup was not a progressive, they have gone so far to the left in opposing just anyone, they support the plans of rightists, and US Imperialists.

[Wanted Man]

I don't see the issue. They are acting in accordance with Marxism-Leninism.

If the PCE formed a non-communist front organisation to participate in a bourgeois government (AKA class collaboration), they would be called revisionists.

[Kiev Communard]

Except the PCMLE is struggling via the MPD. The point is a broad, anti-imperialist struggle. This gives impulse to resist imperialism across the rest of the Americas, and that's when the struggle for socialism begins in their view.

Excuse me, but that seems that other Latin American Hoxhaist parties are scarcely revolutionary ones (PCdoB supporting Lula's social-democratic government, instead of entering the Left Front with P-SOL, PCB and PSTU, which are far more left wing than Lula's PT; "Bandiera Roja" in Venezuela effectively acting together with the right-wing opposition instead of opposing Chavez from the left, etc.). When will the "real" struggle for socialism have to begin in their view so that these parties may change their current counter-productive positions?

[Nolan]

Excuse me, but that seems that other Latin American Hoxhaist parties are scarcely revolutionary ones (PCdoB supporting Lula's social-democratic government, instead of entering the Left Front with P-SOL, PCB and PSTU, which are far more left wing than Lula's PT; "Bandiera Roja" in Venezuela effectively acting together with the right-wing opposition instead of opposing Chavez from the left, etc.). When will the "real" struggle for socialism have to begin in their view so that these parties may change their current counter-productive positions?

PCdoB isn't strictly Hoxhaist even though there are a lot of Hoxhaists in it. Bandera Roja has changed so much since the end of its guerrilla campaign it's no longer recognizable. It's more or less a social democrat party now.

[Roach]

Excuse me, but that seems that other Latin American Hoxhaist parties are scarcely revolutionary ones (PCdoB supporting Lula's social-democratic government, instead of entering the Left Front with P-SOL, PCB and PSTU, which are far more left wing than Lula's PT; "Bandiera Roja" in Venezuela effectively acting together with the right-wing opposition instead of opposing Chavez from the left, etc.). When will the "real" struggle for socialism have to begin in their view so that these parties may change their current counter-productive positions?


The real hoxhaist party in Brazil is the Revolutionary Communist Party (PCR).They don't have any connection with PCdoB.
Their newspaper website: http://www.averdade.org.br/
The party website: http://pcrbrasil.org/

[Roach]

What quito's police said about this ?

Doctor denies Rafael Correa
(05/10/2010)
"The truth, Mr.President, is that you have never been kidnapped,and you was being attended by staff of the Police Hospital. Generals and the Minister of Interior have been in constant contact with you Mr. President and, concerned for his safety, after in a way Mr. arrogant issued a challenge to incoherently "kill me if you are brave," but nobody wanted to kill you or topple the regime. to its security, honor fellow officers, staff of the GOE, the guard even when he reached the headquarters of this group stated that here was safer to go to the Rules of Quito. In fact, within the Hospital you gave several statements by phone several times a day.

What causes astonishment is invading a nursing home (not a police barracks) with heavy weapons and live ammunition, where women, children and elderly,mostly seriously ill, because nobody goes to an hospital in a holiday for no reason at alll, which caused asphyxiation and nervous breakdown in several patients who were hospitalized. "

Dr. Fernando Vargas M., Biochemical Pharmaceutical, Hospital Police in Quito

[Charles Xavier]

What quito's police said about this ?

Doctor denies Rafael Correa
(05/10/2010)
"The truth, Mr.President, is that you have never been kidnapped,and you was being attended by staff of the Police Hospital. Generals and the Minister of Interior have been in constant contact with you Mr. President and, concerned for his safety, after in a way Mr. arrogant issued a challenge to incoherently "kill me if you are brave," but nobody wanted to kill you or topple the regime. to its security, honor fellow officers, staff of the GOE, the guard even when he reached the headquarters of this group stated that here was safer to go to the Rules of Quito. In fact, within the Hospital you gave several statements by phone several times a day.

What causes astonishment is invading a nursing home (not a police barracks) with heavy weapons and live ammunition, where women, children and elderly,mostly seriously ill, because nobody goes to an hospital in a holiday for no reason at alll, which caused asphyxiation and nervous breakdown in several patients who were hospitalized. "

Dr. Fernando Vargas M., Biochemical Pharmaceutical, Hospital Police in Quito


Funny how political strategists are spinning the coup d'etat.