How is it Stalinism wrong?

[Comrade Hyueh]

Just curious really...

please answer....

[Elect Marx]

I'm not sure it should be called Stalinism but that is all we have. Maybe you should refer to it as a dictatorship. Dictatorships are bad, you agree, right?

[blackemma]

Stalinism is not wrong. It is a totalitarian system that produced vast economic inequities, not to mention millions of dead. Still, that's not to say Stalinism is wrong per se, but rather that it might be undesireable for those of us who believe in individuality, freedom, and common sense. If I believed in none of those things, I would be a Stalinist.

[Elect Marx]

blackemma, your post is funny :lol: This is my 100th post, just 200 more, then 800 more :)

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 1 2003, 07:07 AM
Just curious really...

please answer....
Because that moustache was awful.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

all of teh above, and because the power was not given to the people.

[redstar2000]

Look at this thread...

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...t=ST&f=5&t=5200 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=5200)

It's a complicated subject.

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[Vinny Rafarino]

Blackemma;


Bullshit.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 07:53 AM
Stalinism is not wrong. It is a totalitarian system that produced vast economic inequities, not to mention millions of dead. Still, that's not to say Stalinism is wrong per se, but rather that it might be undesireable for those of us who believe in individuality, freedom, and common sense. If I believed in none of those things, I would be a Stalinist.
:lol: Me too.

[The Feral Underclass]

Stalinism is bad because Comrade RAF believes in it... :ph34r:

[elijahcraig]

Stalinism is only wrong from non-Marxists' perspective. Real Marxists are also Stalinists.

[Nobody]

Is it just me or do we keep repeating the same arguements. Lets find the best pro and con Slalinist thread, or a combinaction of several, and archive it for all future generations to read. So we can move on!!

*Looks at watch* 'Bout time we relived the Trotsky vs Stalin arguements.

[Xvall]

Ho Chi Minh wasn't a Stalinist; Nor was Albert Einstein, who chaired several communist parties. I would not say that because of this they are not true Marxists. Additionally, the communist manifesto speaks against sectarianism; to me leaving isolating yourself from any pro-working-class group, be they Stalinist, Leninist, Maoist, etc, is fairly un-communistic in itself.

[elijahcraig]

Separation from the working class is never the objective. But the las time I checked that Marx/Engels pamphlet was called the Manifesto of the Communist Party.

[the SovieT]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 01:04 AM
Stalinism is only wrong from non-Marxists' perspective. Real Marxists are also Stalinists.
beg me to difer comrade...

i most certenly am a Marxist and yet do not like nor apreciate stalinism nor stalin himself...


i am all aware of the huge ocidental propaganda myths around his image..

yet that does not make him a martyr or a hero...


Stalin, violated some Marxists elements, such as the abolition of the family (and Cassius actually agrees with me about this, i mysewlf alredy saw one of his posts criticizing Stalin for this)
Plus Stalin started a whole personality cult and stuff around not only him but also Lenin...

remmeber Marxism-leninism apeard AFTER Lenin´s death.. before it was "bolchevism" ;)

anyways its this sort of "small" things that makes me distrust Stalin and Stalinism...

[elijahcraig]

I obviously disagree.

[Gregorio Allemagna]

Stalin was wrong for 60,000,000 reasons.

[elijahcraig]

Wow. You are a complete moron. :lol:

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Gregorio [email protected] 14 2003, 03:00 AM
Stalin was wrong for 60,000,000 reasons.
So now we have a guy stating that Stalin murdered 60 million people eh? Comrade elijah, I am with you on this one. Yes, this kat is a complete moron.


Hey kid, that would put the crude death rate of the Soviet Union during that period was less that 1 person per thousand.

Good grief kid, that means that not one person died of natural causes during the "great terror" period.


Think about that for a minute. The USA today has a crude death rate of 20 people per thousand.

[trudeaumania]

"The death of one is a tragedy, the death of a thousand is a statistic." :huh: Sounds like Mr. Stalin understood 'human nature' a bit more than we are willing to admit. Especially when we see the same 'human nature' being excersized in Iraq.

[Eastside Revolt]

Personally I am against Stalinism.

Here's a perfect example of why:

If Stalin were in power today you wouldn't have the Chechnyan thing going on because he would have staved them all or sent then to labour camps, simply in business like manner.

Call me a crazy westerner who has tunnel-vision but that's just not my style.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 07:16 AM
Personally I am against Stalinism.

Here's a perfect example of why:

If Stalin were in power today you wouldn't have the Chechnyan thing going on because he would have staved them all or sent then to labour camps, simply in business like manner.

Call me a crazy westerner who has tunnel-vision but that's just not my style.
You're a crazy westerner with tunnel vision.

[Eastside Revolt]

How bout this:

*looks at your signature*

If Stalin were in power when another version of himself was young and vulnerable,l you likely wouldn't have had Stalin.

[Vinny Rafarino]

The last tsar said the same thing.

[Eastside Revolt]

Yeah well I could say the same thing for the tsar