Death Rate in Gaza is Lower than in United States, Europe

[JonScholar]

According to the CIA world factbook. (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html?countryName=Gaza
%20Strip&countryCode=gz&regionCode=me&rank=214#gz) I can't find any source that contradicts this (though that doesn't mean there isn't one out there). The Death Rate statistic as described by the CIA:


This entry gives the average annual number of deaths during a year per 1,000 population at midyear; also known as crude death rate. The death rate, while only a rough indicator of the mortality situation in a country, accurately indicates the current mortality impact on population growth. This indicator is significantly affected by age distribution, and most countries will eventually show a rise in the overall death rate, in spite of continued decline in mortality at all ages, as declining fertility results in an aging population.

Infant Mortality is also comparatively lower than infant mortality in many other Arab states (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html?countryName=Gaza%20Strip&countryCode=gz&regionCode=me&rank=111#gz)

This was given to me by an Israeli apologist in defense of the argument that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Thoughts?

[Notorio]

I don't know about you, but i'm in no way going to trust the CIA with such a statistic.

I was reading an article a while back; it explained that the amount of deaths attributed to military conflicts and brutality exceeded the natural death rate of a comparable country with similar population.

That's not to mention that half of gaza is without power, and many hospitals are also without power, understaffed, underequipped, and i think the IDF "accidentaly" blew one up about a year back.

Then there's the import sanctions, with prevent gaza, the west bank, and other parts of palestine from receiving pretty much anything they could use to repair their crippled infrastructure.

Given that alone, I fail to see any credibilty from the CIA on this matter.

[Widerstand]

I don't know about you, but i'm in no way going to trust the CIA with such a statistic.

While I agree with the notion of distrusting the CIA per se and especially on statistics regarding the political situation of US allies, do you have any concrete critique on the way the data was raised or processed, or at least any contradictory data?



I was reading an article a while back; it explained that the amount of deaths attributed to military conflicts and brutality exceeded the natural death rate of a comparable country with similar population.

That could be easily checked by contrasting the relation of 'natural death rate' to 'crude death rate' of a given country with another country's relation. However, the assumption that "deaths attributed to military conflicts and brutality" are comparatively high in Palestine, if we understand them as 'direct', in-combat deaths, conflicts your other statement (given the CIA's statistics are true):



That's not to mention that half of gaza is without power, and many hospitals are also without power, understaffed, underequipped, and i think the IDF "accidentaly" blew one up about a year back.

Then there's the import sanctions, with prevent gaza, the west bank, and other parts of palestine from receiving pretty much anything they could use to repair their crippled infrastructure.

Given that alone, I fail to see any credibilty from the CIA on this matter.

If all of these are to be true, and the statistics given are to be true, that would mean that the 'natural death rate' in Palestine should be proportionally much higher than in countries with functioning infrastructure and without sanctions (i.e. the USA and Europe), which would mean that the 'unnatural death rate' (including "deaths attributed to military conflicts and brutality") would be higher in the US and in Europe than in Palestine. Which would mean that armed conflicts have less of a proportional impact in Palestine than in Europe and in the USA, unless we understand the structural problems of Palestine as direct results of those armed conflicts, which they most likely are, but which these statistics most likely don't.

Which means that either the CIA's statistics are wrong, the infrastructural problems don't have much of an impact on mortality, or that the armed conflicts in Palestine lead to less deaths (proportionally) than armed conflicts in the USA and Europe.

[Notorio]

While I agree with the notion of distrusting the CIA per se and especially on statistics regarding the political situation of US allies, do you have any concrete critique on the way the data was raised or processed, or at least any contradictory data?

No, look it up yourself if you want consolidated "proof"



That could be easily checked by contrasting the relation of 'natural death rate' to 'crude death rate' of a given country with another country's relation. However, the assumption that "deaths attributed to military conflicts and brutality" are comparatively high in Palestine, if we understand them as 'direct', in-combat deaths, conflicts your other statement (given the CIA's statistics are true):

Even if you negate combat and military deaths from the equation, the death rate is still significantly higher. We're not going on CIA statistics here.



If all of these are to be true, and the statistics given are to be true, that would mean that the 'natural death rate' in Palestine should be proportionally much higher than in countries with functioning infrastructure and without sanctions (i.e. the USA and Europe),

It clearly is, what planet are you on?


which would mean that the 'unnatural death rate' (including "deaths attributed to military conflicts and brutality") would be higher in the US and in Europe than in Palestine. Which would mean that armed conflicts have less of a proportional impact in Palestine than in Europe and in the USA, unless we understand the structural problems of Palestine as direct results of those armed conflicts, which they most likely are, but which these statistics most likely don't.

Which means that either the CIA's statistics are wrong, the infrastructural problems don't have much of an impact on mortality, or that the armed conflicts in Palestine lead to less deaths (proportionally) than armed conflicts in the USA and Europe.

Err...in those two paragraphs i saw some contradiction, and the rest i just about have no clue what you're trying to get at.

On that note you'll have to excuse me, I must go to bed!

[Widerstand]

No, look it up yourself if you want consolidated "proof"

Why would I have to look it up if you say it exists. How rude :|



Even if you negate combat and military deaths from the equation, the death rate is still significantly higher. We're not going on CIA statistics here.

What statistics are you using then?



It clearly is, what planet are you on?

It shouldn't be if both the CIA statistics are true and if it is true that Europe and the USA have better medical infrastructure than Palestine.




Err...in those two paragraphs i saw some contradiction, and the rest i just about have no clue what you're trying to get at.

Exactly what of what I wrote doesn't make sense?

[empiredestoryer]

the c i a doing statistics WOW i thought they were too busy sending fake bombs on cargo planes from Yehen

[Widerstand]

the c i a doing statistics WOW i thought they were too busy sending fake bombs on cargo planes from Yehen

Eh the CIA factbook proved pretty helpful in convincing my neoliberal teachers that there are very real material interests in Afghanistan.