Student kills himself after gay sex footage put online

[hatzel]

A New Jersey college student has leapt to his death a day after authorities said two students secretly filmed him having sex with a man and broadcast it over the internet.

Tyler Clementi's wallet was found on the George Washington Bridge on 22 September after two witnesses saw someone jump from the structure, authorities told the AP news agency.

Mr Clementi's body has not been found.

Two students have been charged with illegally filming the 18-year-old.

"Tyler was a fine young man, and a distinguished musician. The family is heartbroken beyond words," Paul Mainardi, a lawyer for Mr Clementi's family, said in a statement confirming the suicide.

Room-mate charged

The footage was allegedly taken using a web camera in Mr Clementi's dorm room at Rutgers University and broadcast live over the internet.

The two charged with filming and broadcasting the images are Mr Clementi's room-mate, Dharun Ravi, and Molly Wei.

If convicted, the two students face up to five years in prison.

An account belonging to Mr Ravi on the microblogging website Twitter has recently been deleted. But in a recovered snapshot of the account obtained from Google, Mr Ravi wrote about an experience involving his room-mate.

"Room-mate asked for the room till midnight. I went into molly's room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay," Mr Ravi wrote on Twitter on 19 September.

Two days later Mr Ravi wrote: "Anyone with iChat, I dare you to video chat me between the hours of 9:30 and 12. Yes it's happening again."

Gay rights organisations say Mr Clementi's suicide is an example of a nationwide problem - young people killing themselves after being bullied over their sexuality.


Analysis
Iain Mackenzie BBC News, Washington

The tragic death of Tyler Clementi brings together two contentious issues - gay rights and cyber bullying.

Technology certainly seems to have been played a role in driving the teenager to kill himself. However, equality campaigners say the real problem is a culture where young homosexuals feel persecuted and marginalised.

A recent study of gay students suggests one in four is regularly harassed because of their sexual orientation.

For some, Tyler Clementi's suicide has put a human face to that statistic.

Source (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11446034)

[ed miliband]

I'll get a warning for using the only word I can possibly use to describe "Mr Ravi" so I'll refrain, but I do hope the memory of Tyler Clementi forever haunts him.

[Revolutionair]

My biggest problem with this is my attitude towards the filming.
In one way, they were obviously not after killing him. They just wanted to prank him. The other problem is, is that if you don't punish this, then other cases might follow.
All in all, it's a culture problem. The only way we can change this in the future is by trying to influence the general attitude of people towards homosexuality.

[hatzel]

Not even just homosexuality. The filming itself would have been just as bad if a heterosexual couple had been unwittingly filmed. Perhaps the whole thing wouldn't have taken such a tragic turn in such a situation, though...

[gorillafuck]

In one way, they were obviously not after killing him. They just wanted to prank him. The other problem is, is that if you don't punish this, then other cases might follow.
The prank was to out him as a homosexual in an extremely demeaning way. It's far worse than just a prank.

[Invincible Summer]

Not even just homosexuality. The filming itself would have been just as bad if a heterosexual couple had been unwittingly filmed. Perhaps the whole thing wouldn't have taken such a tragic turn in such a situation, though...


But... that's what the situation is. The whole contention in the story is due to the fact that the guy who committed suicide was gay, and his room-mate was immature and didn't respect him enough to leave that alone.


It makes me wonder how someone could treat another person like some sort of circus freak show just because they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex. Like, what kind of person thinks "OoooooOOoo he's gay! Let's film him doing gay things!!! It's morbidly fascinating!!!!"

It's veiled dehumanization, if you think about it. While it is still an act of human sexuality, the intent and portrayal of the victim and his lover are that of animals, Othered non-humans that are to be gawked at in disgust.

Ironically, the disgust is now directed at the room-mate, Mr Ravi.

[hatzel]

Of course, of course. I just meant that a heterosexual couple would probably have been somewhat distressed had they been videoed, too, but that there was something 'extra' in this case, and it was most probably that, rather than 'just' being filmed having sex, which was too much for him to handle.

[TwoSevensClash]

Whats also sucks about this story is that Tyler an extremely talented violinist.

[thecoffeecake1]

this happened very close to me so its been all over the news for a while. i honestly don't know what I feel about proper punishment, obviously this wasn't the intent but someone did die because of their fucked up actions. at the same time, i think they would've done this if he was strait and having sex with a woman too, so I don't necessarily see it as "hey everyone look at the queers" or whatever. im not really too sure

[ContrarianLemming]

I think this is going to haunt the roomate for his whole life, that 5 years in prison is nothing.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

My biggest problem with this is my attitude towards the filming.
In one way, they were obviously not after killing him. They just wanted to prank him.

HA! That's some fucking prank! Where the fuck do you get off trying to defend the murderers with your warped bias?!

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I think this is going to haunt the roomate for his whole life, that 5 years in prison is nothing.

Bullshit.If it was up to me he would receive a hell of a lot longer sentence then five, short, little measly years! At least twenty-or more-the same as any other crazed manslaughterer!

I understand that it wasn't his intention to kill this young man but he sure as hell crossed the line with his ascinine,over the top actions.

[Jazzratt]

Bullshit.If it was up to me he would receive a hell of a lot longer sentence then five, short, little measly years! At least twenty-or more-the same as any other crazed manslaughterer! I agree. Long live the prison industrial complex. Maybe while he's there people could use his labour power for a pittance, too.

The average term that a person convicted of manslaughter in the US actually serves (if I recall correctly) is between 7and15 years for an assault gone too far. With genuine remorse and evidence they only serve another couple of "short, little measly years."


I understand that it wasn't his intention to kill this young man but he sure as hell crossed the line with his ascinine,over the top actions. A custodial sentence that could see him spending up to a third of his life in prison for being "ascinine[sic]?" Yeah, what he did was well and truly fucked up but baying for his blood over it seems perverse. He is unlikely, given the nature of his crime, to become a re-offender and no-one, least of all his victim is served by lobbing him into what can be some of the worst conditions in the first world.

[Marc24]

This is horrible that this happened. I think the two that filmed him should get charged with a hate crime. They obviously only filmed him because he is gay and they wanted to make fun of him because of it.

[Pawn Power]

The widespread condemnation of the two college students who posted the video is a red herring. Obviously what they did was abhorrent, foolish, viscous, and immature. However, the fact is that this has not been the only suicide directly connected to anti-gay hate. Gay youth suicide is, unfortunately, not unusual in the US. Gay youth often go through bullying at their schools, home's with homophobic parents and siblings, and a hetero-normative society.

The student who committed suicide was probably harassed or made to feel detested/not accepted his who life- because he lived in a homophobic society. People are now attempting to throw all of our sins upon the two students who posted the video in a call of damnation. Crucifying them will not resolve the crimes of our homophobic society. We need structural change for that.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I agree. Long live the prison industrial complex. Maybe while he's there people could use his labour power for a pittance, too.

So what do you suggest be done with him? Allow him to walk off scott free?

[/QUOTE] He is unlikely, given the nature of his crime, to become a re-offender and no-one, least of all his victim is served by lobbing him into what can be some of the worst conditions in the first world.[/QUOTE]

You must remember that "the worst conditions in the first world" is still a hell of a lot better then what you see in other countries.But I don't know maybe I watch too much of MSNBC's "Lockup" and confuse "the worst conditions in the first world" with clean,sterile floors and cells (most of the time), accompanied by three square meals a day.

It's not as though I support the prison system but some people DO belong blocked off from mainstream society.While this offender in question can be reformed lets not confuse the topics by saying 'prisons are such a unforgivable capitalist tool we should ensure no one goes there for more then a few years even though they clearly deserve at least double then what they got.' Yes,they need to be reforms but sending people off to be incarserated in accord to their crime is something that should remain.

[synthesis]

I don't see how a prison sentence is going to provide a long-term solution to this problem. There are any number of ways to "out" people - the only way to prevent things like this is to work towards a society that doesn't place so much significance on it.

[Invincible Summer]

Crucifying them will not resolve the crimes of our homophobic society. We need structural change for that.

i think that's a given

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I don't see how a prison sentence is going to provide a long-term solution to this problem. There are any number of ways to "out" people - the only way to prevent things like this is to work towards a society that doesn't place so much significance on it.

Well yes that is a givin.However the prison sentence serves as a reminder.Meaning if you do crazy shit like this then you will be punished.Not punishing them would result in a total disregard for queers in general.

[Jazzratt]

So what do you suggest be done with him? Allow him to walk off scott free? Half a decade in prison is not "off scott free". That's the sort of view taken by someone with no experience of either prisons or convicts.


You must remember that "the worst conditions in the first world" is still a hell of a lot better then what you see in other countries.But I don't know maybe I watch too much of MSNBC's "Lockup" and confuse "the worst conditions in the first world" with clean,sterile floors and cells (most of the time), accompanied by three square meals a day. Yes, yes "rison is a fucking holiday camp". I've heard all that toss before; usually from people who would do everything possible to wheedle out of an actual custodial sentence. Still, I'm sure you'll enjoy roaring with outrage at how good prisoners get it with your local pub bore.


It's not as though I support the prison system but some people DO belong blocked off from mainstream society.While this offender in question can be reformed lets not confuse the topics by saying 'prisons are such a unforgivable capitalist tool we should ensure no one goes there for more then a few years even though they clearly deserve at least double then what they got.' Yes,they need to be reforms but sending people off to be incarserated in accord to their crime is something that should remain. That's a totally bizarre and contrary position for a revolutionary to take. Incarceration and retributive "justice" are of of class society's multitudinous fuck ups. Perhaps we should make use of gaols whilst deciding on better community based punishments but prisons are something I oppose utterly.


Well yes that is a givin.However the prison sentence serves as a reminder.Meaning if you do crazy shit like this then you will be punished.Not punishing them would result in a total disregard for queers in general. Scratching your revolutionary surface reveals a "law & order" type. Perhaps another solution would be to get more queer coppers out on the streets, they'd clear up the scum proper quick right?

[russon77]

On the one hand, the students acted in the wrong by video taping the guy and bullying him. That's all, though. It's not the job of the government to protect everyone from discrimination (except from the government itself). It's extremely sad that he killed himself and his loss will be remembered when other cases like this come up, but when there was no intent to harm fatally (or physically at all) and the decision was made by the homosexual to off himself, I don't see how much punishment really ought to be given to the room-mate.

[Jim Profit]

The only way we can change this in the future is by trying to influence the general attitude of people towards homosexuality.
Why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality?

Let me rephrase that, why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality into something POSITIVE? Typically nobody gives a shit if you're gay. Atleast not in my country. Have you noticed wherever homosexuality is accepted, crime rate goes up, especially involving rape and pedophilia? You know who statistically has the most gays? Japan. And Japan rape cases are so bad they have to putup warning signs of this being a rape zone. Why put people through that when you can just accept the fact homosexuals are scum of the earth?

I'd link to you to some linkage, but God-damn 25 post before hand. Not only of over 9000 researches about how homosexuality is again and again proved to be bad for any society, but also the warning signs of a clinical sociopath. All of which homosexuals meet.

You know why this guy killed himself? Cause he was gay. Thats what gays do. Even in death they got to be the center of attention. I'm glad he's dead, I wish more gays would just throw themselves off a bridge or something. Then we can all cry and feel so bad for them, but meanwhile our kids don't have to look over their shoulder and make sure their sippy cups aren't Jesus juice, there's less overall suicide rates because there's less divorces and spousal abuse/cheating. There will be more households with two loving parents, less sex crime, the standard of living improves, all because we bothered to do the right thing and not cared about how that appears to a bunch of moraless reactionaries who think wahwah, discrimination. It's not discrimination if the person in question is evil.

Luckiely I don't need your validation for that. Most communists had a deep dispassion for homoexuals. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che Guevera... all the cool guys who have shirts. You don't have a shirt.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality?

Let me rephrase that, why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality into something POSITIVE? Typically nobody gives a shit if you're gay. Atleast not in my country. Have you noticed wherever homosexuality is accepted, crime rate goes up, especially involving rape and pedophilia? You know who statistically has the most gays? Japan. And Japan rape cases are so bad they have to putup warning signs of this being a rape zone. Why put people through that when you can just accept the fact homosexuals are scum of the earth?

I'd link to you to some linkage, but God-damn 25 post before hand. Not only of over 9000 researches about how homosexuality is again and again proved to be bad for any society, but also the warning signs of a clinical sociopath. All of which homosexuals meet.

You know why this guy killed himself? Cause he was gay. Thats what gays do. Even in death they got to be the center of attention. I'm glad he's dead, I wish more gays would just throw themselves off a bridge or something. Then we can all cry and feel so bad for them, but meanwhile our kids don't have to look over their shoulder and make sure their sippy cups aren't Jesus juice, there's less overall suicide rates because there's less divorces and spousal abuse/cheating. There will be more households with two loving parents, less sex crime, the standard of living improves, all because we bothered to do the right thing and not cared about how that appears to a bunch of moraless reactionaries who think wahwah, discrimination. It's not discrimination if the person in question is evil.

Luckiely I don't need your validation for that. Most communists had a deep dispassion for homoexuals. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che Guevera... all the cool guys who have shirts. You don't have a shirt.
Somebody ban this homophobic piece of shit.

[Jim Profit]

Somebody ban this homophobic piece of shit.
You do and I will never shutup about the fact it happened right after I admitted to being black.

[Jazzhands]

Why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality?

Because CIVIL FUCKING RIGHTS, that's why. and changing society's view of things is essentially what a leftist's job is. Your 'research" probably comes from stormfront or some right-wing think tank, and the 25-post limit is just a shitty excuse.

"I'm glad he's dead?" What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Ele'ill]

Why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality?

Let me rephrase that, why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality into something POSITIVE? Typically nobody gives a shit if you're gay. Atleast not in my country. Have you noticed wherever homosexuality is accepted, crime rate goes up, especially involving rape and pedophilia? You know who statistically has the most gays? Japan. And Japan rape cases are so bad they have to putup warning signs of this being a rape zone. Why put people through that when you can just accept the fact homosexuals are scum of the earth?

I'd link to you to some linkage, but God-damn 25 post before hand. Not only of over 9000 researches about how homosexuality is again and again proved to be bad for any society, but also the warning signs of a clinical sociopath. All of which homosexuals meet.

You know why this guy killed himself? Cause he was gay. Thats what gays do. Even in death they got to be the center of attention. I'm glad he's dead, I wish more gays would just throw themselves off a bridge or something. Then we can all cry and feel so bad for them, but meanwhile our kids don't have to look over their shoulder and make sure their sippy cups aren't Jesus juice, there's less overall suicide rates because there's less divorces and spousal abuse/cheating. There will be more households with two loving parents, less sex crime, the standard of living improves, all because we bothered to do the right thing and not cared about how that appears to a bunch of moraless reactionaries who think wahwah, discrimination. It's not discrimination if the person in question is evil.

Luckiely I don't need your validation for that. Most communists had a deep dispassion for homoexuals. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che Guevera... all the cool guys who have shirts. You don't have a shirt.

I believe you're trying really hard- and I don't want to hurt your feelings when I say this but we've seen a lot worse here before. You suck.

[Jazzhands]

You do and I will never shutup about the fact it happened right after I admitted to being black.

except nobody bothered to read that far into it because your post is basically trash.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

You do and I will never shutup about the fact it happened right after I admitted to being black.
What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

You're a homophobic douche bag and I don't think that anybody here, or anywhere, wants to listen to you condone the suicide of homosexuals.

[Axle]

What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

You're a homophobic douche bag and I don't think that anybody here, or anywhere, wants to listen to you condone the suicide of homosexuals.

Dude, he's a troll.

[Ele'ill]

Jim Profit- before you're restricted or banned for cluttering the forum with stupidly long posts that honestly start out ok but then end up sounding like a 15 year old's youtube blog- and for obviously violating our forum space- our space to exchange ideas without hate and exclusion for things that are not learned- tell us who gave you positive rep so we can make fun of them for a very very long time. (a really long time)

[Ele'ill]

You do and I will never shutup about the fact it happened right after I admitted to being black.

That holds no weight in the matter. The leftist community is extremely diverse- You'll still get the same bread toppings you normally get. Have a blast :thumbup1:

[Jim Profit]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. All members rep starts out at ten, noone gave me rep.

Also hate/exclusion would be precisely what would happen if you did anything about me being homophobic. So suddenly you're justified in beng a discriminating dick but I'm not? Oh boohoohoo, I'm mean toward gays. All they do is rape children and drive many people to suicide in their own right! Lets ignore all that and just fo the sake of sounding nice pretend they're okay!

Do you kno how fucking offenssive it is to someone who had to growup being really discriminated against when some fag claims they know how it feels? No. You don't. And you never will. I only WISH my mistreatment was do only because of my attitude and my actions. Which is what causes gays discrimination. If gays are born that way, then that means they can be targeted for eugenics the way I have been.

But I guess we'll never know because so called intillectuals and open minded people don't want to talk about it. You'd rather just yell "lalalala! Can't hear you!" While homosexuality is on a tight rope as a lifestyle choice and genetic predisposition. It can't be both. Well, I suppose it could be, in the same way being a sociopath is. Which is what I said if you would've bothered to read my post.

I'm just saying if you're going to be a hypocrite, do it for something worthwhile like I do. You think gays give a crap about you? You think they're going to be there for you when you need them? This is why communism needs to distance itself from fake asses who support nationaism and special interests of "minorities". Communism is about individual rights, negative rights, positive rights, but not group rights.

Bros before hoes. That should be the offical communist slogan. I think I'll talk to Gary about making it The American Communist League's slogan.

[Axle]

There must be no admins on tonight.

But I'm all for letting this troll hang out a little while longer, provided he posts some more. Seriously, I turned off The Big Lebowski because I was laughing more reading his posts.

[Jazzhands]

I'm just saying if you're going to be a hypocrite, do it for something worthwhile like I do. You think gays give a crap about you?

It's a good thing you admit to being a hypocrite. I have a lesbian friend who's actually saved my life. So yes.


This is why communism needs to distance itself from fake asses who support nationaism and special interests of "minorities". Communism is about individual rights, negative rights, positive rights, but not group rights.

"In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.

Quoted straight from the Manifesto.

Are you seriously suggesting that we do away with minority rights? Black people are a minority too, you know. And if you knew the first damn thing about leftism, you would know that the first people to support the rights of blacks have always been leftists. Why? Because blacks are an oppressed people, and we always stand up for the rights of oppressed people.

[Jazzhands]

Bros before hoes. That should be the offical communist slogan. I think I'll talk to Gary about making it The American Communist League's slogan.

Congratulations, you're a sexist too. Doesn't surprise me.

[Klaatu]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. All members rep starts out at ten, noone gave me rep.

Also hate/exclusion would be precisely what would happen if you did anything about me being homophobic. So suddenly you're justified in beng a discriminating dick but I'm not? Oh boohoohoo, I'm mean toward gays. All they do is rape children and drive many people to suicide in their own right! Lets ignore all that and just fo the sake of sounding nice pretend they're okay!

Do you kno how fucking offenssive it is to someone who had to growup being really discriminated against when some fag claims they know how it feels? No. You don't. And you never will. I only WISH my mistreatment was do only because of my attitude and my actions. Which is what causes gays discrimination. If gays are born that way, then that means they can be targeted for eugenics the way I have been.

But I guess we'll never know because so called intillectuals and open minded people don't want to talk about it. You'd rather just yell "lalalala! Can't hear you!" While homosexuality is on a tight rope as a lifestyle choice and genetic predisposition. It can't be both. Well, I suppose it could be, in the same way being a sociopath is. Which is what I said if you would've bothered to read my post.

I'm just saying if you're going to be a hypocrite, do it for something worthwhile like I do. You think gays give a crap about you? You think they're going to be there for you when you need them? This is why communism needs to distance itself from fake asses who support nationaism and special interests of "minorities". Communism is about individual rights, negative rights, positive rights, but not group rights.

Bros before hoes. That should be the offical communist slogan. I think I'll talk to Gary about making it The American Communist League's slogan.

Seriously, man. Please seek professional psychiatric help, because YOU NEED IT.

And BTW, I think your moniker tells us that you are not only a homophobe, but a dirty fucking capitalist also! :laugh: :rolleyes: :D

[Dimentio]

Why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality?

Let me rephrase that, why would we want to change society's view of homosexuality into something POSITIVE? Typically nobody gives a shit if you're gay. Atleast not in my country. Have you noticed wherever homosexuality is accepted, crime rate goes up, especially involving rape and pedophilia? You know who statistically has the most gays? Japan. And Japan rape cases are so bad they have to putup warning signs of this being a rape zone. Why put people through that when you can just accept the fact homosexuals are scum of the earth?

I'd link to you to some linkage, but God-damn 25 post before hand. Not only of over 9000 researches about how homosexuality is again and again proved to be bad for any society, but also the warning signs of a clinical sociopath. All of which homosexuals meet.

You know why this guy killed himself? Cause he was gay. Thats what gays do. Even in death they got to be the center of attention. I'm glad he's dead, I wish more gays would just throw themselves off a bridge or something. Then we can all cry and feel so bad for them, but meanwhile our kids don't have to look over their shoulder and make sure their sippy cups aren't Jesus juice, there's less overall suicide rates because there's less divorces and spousal abuse/cheating. There will be more households with two loving parents, less sex crime, the standard of living improves, all because we bothered to do the right thing and not cared about how that appears to a bunch of moraless reactionaries who think wahwah, discrimination. It's not discrimination if the person in question is evil.

Luckiely I don't need your validation for that. Most communists had a deep dispassion for homoexuals. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che Guevera... all the cool guys who have shirts. You don't have a shirt.

Seriously, does Japan have high rates of rape?

[Ele'ill]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. All members rep starts out at ten, noone gave me rep.

I was not aware that people start out with ten rep points.



Also hate/exclusion would be precisely what would happen if you did anything about me being homophobic. So suddenly you're justified in beng a discriminating dick but I'm not?


Yes, because one stance builds community and offers a safe and stable environment to exist- the other is based on lies, violence and discrimination at its core. :thumbup1:




Oh boohoohoo, I'm mean toward gays. All they do is rape children and drive many people to suicide in their own right! Lets ignore all that and just fo the sake of sounding nice pretend they're okay!

People like you die never having seen the world.



Do you kno how fucking offenssive it is to someone who had to growup being really discriminated against when some fag claims they know how it feels? No. You don't. And you never will. I only WISH my mistreatment was do only because of my attitude and my actions. Which is what causes gays discrimination. If gays are born that way, then that means they can be targeted for eugenics the way I have been.

The next time you try to troll a forum you might want to put some effort into it. Most of your posts don't make any sense at all.



But I guess we'll never know because so called intillectuals and open minded people don't want to talk about it.

You're replying to my post which indicates that you're engaged in conversation. Aside from making yourself look foolish you've reached your stated goal thus far in being here. Right? You wanted to talk? The consequence is being played out now in that you look like an inexperienced close minded asshole that doesn't spend much time in the real world or you look like a failing troll. You've sort of given us the win.




You'd rather just yell "lalalala! Can't hear you!" While homosexuality is on a tight rope as a lifestyle choice and genetic predisposition. It can't be both. Well, I suppose it could be, in the same way being a sociopath is. Which is what I said if you would've bothered to read my post.

I'm just saying if you're going to be a hypocrite, do it for something worthwhile like I do. You think gays give a crap about you? You think they're going to be there for you when you need them? This is why communism needs to distance itself from fake asses who support nationaism and special interests of "minorities". Communism is about individual rights, negative rights, positive rights, but not group rights.

Bros before hoes. That should be the offical communist slogan. I think I'll talk to Gary about making it The American Communist League's slogan.

Since you think so highly of yourself- why are you posting all this here on an internet forum? Why sell yourself short? Instead you should be fighting for a place on radio, tv etc...





It's because you're trolling with extremes or you're a coward. :rolleyes:

[Revy]

As a gay male who once attempted suicide at the age of 13 I think I can comment on this.

The real tragedy is that he would rather die than be known as a homosexual. The truth is these two students did not "kill" him by doing this, society did.

[ed miliband]

As a gay male who once attempted suicide at the age of 13 I think I can comment on this.

The real tragedy is that he would rather die than be known as a homosexual. The truth is these two students did not "kill" him by doing this, society did.

Yes and no; clearly he did not want known as a homosexual, but I doubt the fact that his sexuality was made public was his sole reason for committing suicide. I would have thought that the manner in which he was 'outed' played a larger role in his decision to commit suicide than the fact that people now knew he was gay. The fact that a very intimate moment of his life was broadcast online by somebody he (presumably) trusted no doubt made him feel completely degraded and betrayed; a deadly combination.

[Queercommie Girl]

As a gay male who once attempted suicide at the age of 13 I think I can comment on this.

The real tragedy is that he would rather die than be known as a homosexual. The truth is these two students did not "kill" him by doing this, society did.

The tragedy is that some people would rather kill themselves than to fight back against the system.

Like those Chinese Foxconn workers who committed suicide due to exploitation and oppression. Why didn't they simply kill their capitalist bosses rather than killing themselves, like some other workers in China did?

Much better to kill a reactionary than oneself on any day, I say.