Ghost_Writer response 2 ur signature

[Unrelenting Steve]

"Why am I so opposed to socialism/communism? Because I understand the difference between people who can and those who can't. People with the skills needed to operate a business or develop new technology are a rare gift and deserve the fruits of their own labor, like all other people. When you start breaking down the distinction between somebody who maximizes their potential and somebody who does not, by saying that playing field ought to be leveled to accommodate those who do not, you effectively decrease the incentive for achievement. Assuming that this is true, I believe it is; where does that leave those of you who do not know the slightest bit about extracting the world's resources, engineering products for consumption, and creating new markets for the betterment of all humanity? Where is the incentive for educating one's self in these high arts? How does your egalitarian view solve these problems without first considering this perspective?-ME"

How is the pinicle of capitalism creating a motive to learn things like conservation and consideration for the detrement of the planet throught polution? Capitalism works on denile, poeple in America do not know what their existance imposes on others (like sweat shop workers in Indonesia), nor do they strive for this knowledge, no in capitalism, where the motivation is to be happy, the truth is not important only short term practicality. In capitalist the greatest achievment is the most marketable product, harsh truth is not high in the menu, so you go out of business and you get America.

Communism does not level the playing feel, everyone is differant and will always posses unequal talent, remuneration for these talents is what is equalized, incentive is not always tied to greed, there is a thing such as truth- which you capitalists will not pay for ergo it is dead in your sociaty- hedanism took its place, communism will afford both to humanity, and in order of proiorty.

[CopperGoat]

I wonder why he's not posting back....

[Unrelenting Steve]

Maybe its because my point is valid :D . But it is very curious.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 04:03 AM
I wonder why he's not posting back....
Because he's dead behind the eyes.

[Ghost Writer]

Maybe its because my point is valid . But it is very curious.

What point? I see that you have written down some incoherent ramblings that you seem to think possess some enlightened truth. Well, let me ask you what you do for a living, how many jobs have you had, who pays your bills, and what experience do you have in the job market? Have you ever designed a process, product, a more efficient method of completeing a task? Again, I must ask where are people like you, which have no understanding of anything other than your own perverted version of reality, left when you achieve your desired goal of destroying the corporate system, and free-markets? Who do you suppose will design the next technologically advanced wave of products? How will the goods that you take for granted get to market? Let's dissect your rubbish and see if it answers any of the considerations I laid out in my signature.


How is the pinicle of capitalism creating a motive to learn things like conservation and consideration for the detrement of the planet throught polution?

What is it that you are even saying here? Is this a complete thought, or the work of a madman? I don't see what this has to do with my signature? I am taking this to be a statement about capitalism's invironmental practices. If you are anti-pollution, I recommend that you take a good look at the environmental records of the communist states that have existed.

How do capital markets create incentive to produce more environmentally conscious products? The answer is through demand. As our population becomes increasingly aware of certain environmentally degrading practices, pressure is put on companies to alter their methods. The news media covers what is being done by industry, and those that view the environment as an important consideration when shopping for goods will choose products manufactured by companies that have taken steps in what they consider to be the right direction. From this, environmentally friendly corporations will take a larger percentage of the market share, allowing them to in turn become more efficient and marketable to the average consumer.


Capitalism works on denile, poeple in America do not know what their existance imposes on others (like sweet shop workers in Indonesia), nor do they strive for this knowledge, no in capitalism, where the motivation is to be happy, the truth is not important only short term practicality.

How does capitalism work on denial? America is not the only nation that recognizes the virtue of capital markets. In fact, capital markets are a global phenomenon, utilized by even those weakened communist regimes that had no choice but to convert, so they wouldn't starve.

Nothing gets produced through ignorance. To be accurate, everything that is manufactured is the result of a synergetic conspiracy involving cooperative effort. Scientific endeavor discovers the principles that govern certain physical phenomenon. Work is done to uncover the less obvious implications of these dicoveries, and the work is published. Those searching for scientific truth go to the publications and look for ideas that could have meaningful application in the advancement of the human condition. They realize that through hard work and devotion to finding a utilitarian use for the pure scientific discoveries that profits can be made. Therefore, it was originally a search for meaning in the universe that allowed for the science to develop, which has spawned significant advances in industry and technology.

To continue, the process of searching for concepts that may give birth to new products is a time consuming effort, involving many research departments, academic and industrial. Once somebody finds something that they consider to be a breakthrough, product development may begin. After the conception of an idea, a prototype must be built. This too is a time consuming task. Then they must test it and recycle it back through product development to improve upon the initial design. When a final design is agreed upon by all the parties involved, process engineers must find ways to manufacture the trinket efficiently. Marketing specialists need to find ways to get the public interested in their idea by demonstrating its potential. Sales people need to strike deals with retailers in order to get them to carry the new product And employeers must find ways of attracting employees to work for them.

Obviously, every step along the way involves a great deal of risk. The propensity for failure is enormous. If the product or those involved in creating it fail at any time, then the idea will fizzle out and die. Leaving the originator of the idea, and everyone involved there after heartbroken. The corporation that invested in the idea will be out an enormous investment. The result of failure is the loss of jobs, and possible bankrupcty of the businesses involved. Failures are disasterous.

How many ideas that are conceived actually succeed you ask? Very few. That is why this cycle of trial and error must be driven by the potential for profits. If there is nothing to gain, no glory or granduer associated with success, there can be no incentive to attempt in this risky venture.

As we have seen this process of product development was originally born out of a search for truth. The need to understand the nature of the universe founded the very science that allows for industrial and technological improvement. Thus, Steve's assertion is bogus. Capitalism is not driven by ignorance. It is driven by pure human nature, the need to describe and understand the world, the need to be involved in a cooperative effort, and the need to compete. Distinguishing your success from another's failure is the positive reinforcement that drives the egos of those involved in this simple human characteristic. The truth is important here because it can be the difference between success and failure. If considerations are overlooked, if concrete facts are ignored, the system breaks down.

If what Steve says about short term practicality were true, then why is it that the entire world has been reinvented through this process? Why have we seen the long term stabilility and sustainability of all the world's people improve through invention and innovation? Why do third world nations clamor for our products? Why do industrializing nations compete for our factories? Why is it that the very workers in Indonesian, which you claim to speak for, protest job cuts. Fact remains, that nothing is being forced on the people of Indonesia. They have been begging for it, and they recognize the value in establishing the kind of infrastructure that Nike factories bring to them. Although they may not understand the complexity of geopolitical world, like Steve here, they understand the value of employment, manufacturing, and the quality of life this brings to their nation, unlike Steve.


In capitalist the greatest achievment is the most marketable product, harsh truth is not high in the menu, so you go out of business and you get America.

If that is what you truly believe capitalism's highest achievement is, then there is no hope for your kind, and you would really die off if left to your own devices. The greatest achievement has been the overall quality of life that has increased for the entire world as a result, the time that has been freed up through productivity and efficiency, the overall level of education for the world's people, and generally our prospects as a species. The unfortunate aspect of this remains that those of us, that can, must share this world with those like you, that can't, and you expect to use political means in order to loot that which is rightfully ours.


Communism does not level the playing feel, everyone is differant and will always posses unequal talent, remuneration for these talents is what is equalized, incentive is not always tied to greed, there is a thing such as truth- which you capitalists will not pay for ergo it is dead in your sociaty- hedanism took its place, communism will afford both to humanity, and in order of proiorty.

Thank you for finally admitting to this. You will be one of the first communists that I have meant that will openly state your true intentions. You have exposed yourself for what you are, which is an inhuman looter. You admit that equality is not your goal, but that taking from your betters is. How do you propose to steal from people who are superior to you in every way? Do you not think that our intelligence can be applied to the battlefield? Do you not understand that we will be more efficient in battle, just as we have been more efficient in the aims of industry and technology. Furthemore, it is our cause that is right, hence we will fight that much harder to keep what rightfully belongs to us, which is the fruits of our own labor. Bring it on. Let's rid this world of communists once and for all.

As for capitalists being hedonists, I suggest you take a look at your own philosophies before accusing others of your own guilt.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Capitalism works on denile, poeple in America do not know what their existance imposes on others (like sweet shop workers in Indonesia), nor do they strive for this knowledge, no in capitalism, where the motivation is to be happy, the truth is not important only short term practicality.


yout response to that was contradicted by the points in my next statement (which you conveniantly ignored)




In capitalist the greatest achievment is the most marketable product, harsh truth is not high in the menu, so you go out of business and you get America.


If that is what you truly believe capitalism's highest achievement is, then there is no hope for your kind, and you would really die off if left to your own devices. The greatest achievement has been the overall quality of life that has increased for the entire world as a result, the time that has been freed up through productivity and efficiency, the overall level of education for the world's people, and generally our prospects as a species. The unfortunate aspect of this remains that those of us, that can, must share this world with those like you, that can't, and you expect to use political means in order to loot that which is rightfully ours.

You do not contradict my point. let me reiterate it
there is a thing such as truth- which you capitalists will not pay for ergo it is dead in your sociaty.

And whats all this stuff about communists being stupid and incapable of discovery and development, who was more advanced in space technology, who basicly invented it? Not capitalists.


Communism does not level the playing feel, everyone is differant and will always posses unequal talent, remuneration for these talents is what is equalized, incentive is not always tied to greed, there is a thing such as truth- which you capitalists will not pay for ergo it is dead in your sociaty- hedanism took its place, communism will afford both to humanity, and in order of proiorty.


Thank you for finally admitting to this. You will be one of the first communists that I have meant that will openly state your true intentions. You have exposed yourself for what you are, which is an inhuman looter. You admit that equality is not your goal, but that taking from your betters is. How do you propose to steal from people who are superior to you in every way? Do you not think that our intelligence can be applied to the battlefield? Do you not understand that we will be more efficient in battle, just as we have been more efficient in the aims of industry and technology. Furthemore, it is our cause that is right, hence we will fight that much harder to keep what rightfully belongs to us, which is the fruits of our own labor. Bring it on. Let's rid this world of communists once and for all.

As for capitalists being hedonists, I suggest you take a look at your own philosophies before accusing others of your own guilt.

NO communist ever said that all people have the same intelligance, same talent, just the same value.
That is equality. everything that u said there was just stupid.




The American people do not think about the sweat shop workers in Indonesia, I dont even think they know what Indonesia is, perhaps thay could work out that its a place from it begining in a capital letter.
You can say indonesia wants your factories, because its trying to play the game of world economics- which is quiet messed up and illogical and unfair thru America's modern imperialism (or as u think, trying to create new markets to make the world a better place, only stupid people call it facism). But that does not excuse your crime, what about all the people that could, but cant because of their geographical position, Im sorry you werent born in the right country, so were alowed to turn you into a slave, economics is the new Apartheid, made moral through international borders, that America doesnt recognize anyway (lol).

[Ghost Writer]

I'm through with you, half-wit. Nothing you post makes any since to begin with. It's no surprise to me that a self-proclaimed communist has the mental capacity of a second grader.

[Sabocat]

The American people do not think about the sweat shop workers in Indonesia, I dont even think they know what Indonesia is, perhaps thay could work out that its a place from it begining in a capital letter.


Dear god.

All of us? Are you sure about that?

[Ghost Writer]

Look at the way this guys spells and attempts to convey his messages, then tell me again which country is ignorant. It's no surprise to me that he is from Cape Town.

[Ghost Writer]

And whats all this stuff about communists being stupid and incapable of discovery and development, who was more advanced in space technology, who basicly invented it? Not capitalists.

Who was more advanced in the area of space technology? After Sputnik, the United States took that trophy, asshole.

[Xprewatik RED]

How did the US take the trophy before the ussr fell?
Don't give the shit, the moon landing, gave us the victory.
The Soviet's won with their space stations. Especially Mir, which the US could never do alone.

[F_Hayek]

Ghostwriter, you have to give the Russians credit for the Mig...........

And I can't believe you cannot see the significance of this accomplishment, as they basically screwed up the rest. :rolleyes:

[Xprewatik RED]

Russia and other CIS states are still the only countries that have a machinen that changes urine to pure water :D makes up for my water system! :D
But you know that Soviet rockets and the Soviet Shutlle still have the best record in the world for safe flights. And ukraine has the largest militarty transport in existance, if you don't believe me its call the Antanov, its used by the Un and the US sometimes for peace keeping transports. They still have the top military helicopters like the:blackshark, and the alligator. What the Soviet Union had the most of was, no fear. The US was plagued by it, like your duck-and cover campaign. The Soviet Union had free and a very good education system, it had a higher literacy rate than the US(and still does i might add).

[F_Hayek]

Well, if your people are starving military accomplishments are a bit sour aren't they? And Russians indead didn't have fear, it was either getting shot by their oppenents or by their own officers.

[Xprewatik RED]

Well, if your people are starving military accomplishments are a bit sour aren't they? And Russians indead didn't have fear, it was either getting shot by their oppenents or by their own officers.

In my opinion the USSR was evil, more evil than the US since it starved half my population. But it did have technology in some sectors.

[Vinny Rafarino]

You call the USSR evil yet your avatar is the Hammer and Sicle. Nincompoop.



I cannot beleive you kats are arguing about "the space race". No one has given a toss abut this subject since the sixtees. Today a shuttle launch carries about as much exitement as women's basketball or a 3 day cricket match.

The fact that Nikita Khruschev even gave a fuck all about beating the yanks in the space race while his policies were crippling Soviet Socialism is a testament unto itself on his inadequacies as a leader. I can imagine he was attempting to gain face back after the Yanks made the Soviet Union their lapdog during the Cuban Missle Crisis.

Two nationalists going head to head about whos space-dick is bigger....pure comedy.

Perhaps X-red should concern himself with the horrible state of Russia While Ghost Whiner stops finger fucking Rush Limbaugh long enough to see the 33 million people starving in his own country. Not to mention the countless numbers of minorities getting fucked right and proper by the white-bread hillbilly government that sits atop their thrones on capitol hill trying to "reform" a welfare system that represents less than 6% of the national yanquee federal budget.

Truly pathetic. I'd like to drop you both into a hole 400 miles outside of vegas and cover you with earth.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 09:24 PM
Well, if your people are starving military accomplishments are a bit sour aren't they? And Russians indead didn't have fear, it was either getting shot by their oppenents or by their own officers.
Oh yeah....those filthy immoral russians all think it's right cool to clip their own people. If the western world says it's so....well then by golly it must be so.


Can ya please pass the 'shine uncle jethro? I need me a good swig of that thar white' lightnin'


I can't believe those dastardly Red bastards are even allowed to breed after their crimes! Trying to eliminate racism, sexism and inequality! What were those pigdogs thinking! The next thing they may have wanted to do was create a society were poverty was eliminated and children never starved or were sent to the front lines to die for oil....For fuck's sake!....What a bunch of crazies!

[F_Hayek]

If your trying to build up a society a long principles which are morally unjust and cannot and will never work, as was showed even before the fall of socialism, then you are either ignorant or just plain evil.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Waht "morally unjust" principles are you speaking of Mr. Bush?

[F_Hayek]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 2 2003, 09:15 AM
Waht "morally unjust" principles are you speaking of Mr. Bush?
How come you call me "mr. Bush" as he so clearly inhibits all things any real capitalist opposes?

Morally unjust as in using coercion to force ones opinion on someone else for instance, or making the individual rights of minor importance to the collective. You know, all the usael arguments true freedom loving people have against most major ism's.

[Unrelenting Steve]

When I say Americans I am generalizing- sorry.
Ghost writter I do have a point which you have not touched upon yet. Why dont you just contradict it, because it looks like you are just avioding it bc u cant.

And the Americans would have gotten nowhere without the German and Russian scientists they enlisted into their ranks from after the war.

[Vinny Rafarino]

What individual rights are you referring to Mr. Bush?

Just to let you in on a little secret here Mr. Bush, the USA's constitutional policy on subversionism is the same as the Soviet Union's was. Death.

[F_Hayek]

Freedom, property.

What have I got to do the USA, I don't live there? You must be proud as well with your screenname, are you going to shoot me as well out of envy?

[Hampton]

Freedom is a broad term.

[Caldric]

And the Americans would have gotten nowhere without the German

United States had already made advancements without German scientists. The U.S Jet Program which already had working jet aircraft (P-59) by late 1942.

Here's the following info about the Bell P-59 Airacomet jet aircraft which went into development in 1941.

The Airacomet was America's first jet-propelled airplane. Developed during World War II, it was such a top secret project that hundreds of flights had already been made before it was announced to the public in 1943.
It began in August, 1941, by General H. H. Arnold, Commanding General of the Army Air Force. The project was conducted under the utmost secrecy, with Bell building the airplane and General Electric the engine. The first P-59 was completed in mid-1942 and on October 1, 1942, it made its initial flight at Muroc Dry Lake (now Edwards Air Force Base), California. One year later, the airplane was ordered into production, to be powered by I-14 and I-16 engines, improved versions of the original I-A.
Source (http://www.aviation-central.com/famous/abx20.htm)

U.S also made advancements in the field of liquid-propellent rockets during the 1920's. The American scientist Robert Goddard invented that first successful liquid-propellent rocket, the Goddard Rocket which was launched on March 16, 1926. Also, Goddard's Multistage rockets led to breaking the force of the earth's gravity. He is now called the father of modern rocketry.


and Russian scientists they enlisted into their ranks from after the war.

Their were no Russian scientists enlisted in the United States Jet Program or Space Program after WWII.

Nice try, fuckwit.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 10:38 AM
Freedom, property.

What have I got to do the USA, I don't live there? You must be proud as well with your screenname, are you going to shoot me as well out of envy?

Now this is the first good idea from a capitalist in 150 years Mr. Bush.

On a side note, what makes you think communist are not allowed to have property? Your perception of communism is juvenile.


In addition, what "freedoms" are you referring to? You are the new king of blanket statements.

[F_Hayek]

Originally posted by COMRADE RAF+Aug 3 2003, 10:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (COMRADE RAF @ Aug 3 2003, 10:21 PM)
[email protected] 3 2003, 10:38 AM
Freedom, property.

What have I got to do the USA, I don&#39;t live there? You must be proud as well with your screenname, are you going to shoot me as well out of envy?

Now this is the first good idea from a capitalist in 150 years Mr. Bush.

On a side note, what makes you think communist are not allowed to have property? Your perception of communism is juvenile.


In addition, what "freedoms" are you referring to? You are the new king of blanket statements. [/b]
Exactly those you wouldn&#39;t have in your country. Unfortunately the rest is all utopian, so maybe we can try it again in say 200 years when we have reached the last stage in society&#39;s evolution?

Oh no I am sorry, a communist can have property, as long as it is just as much as his neighbour.

You seem to be proud at your screenname, so I would think you wouldn&#39;t mind some killing if it&#39;s for the good cause.

[Vinny Rafarino]

200 Years? Try 20. The rate that golbal capitalism is crumbling has not been this high in history.


What makes you think that communist cannot have more possessions than their neighbour? Ahh yes, I forgot, your knowledge of communism has been spoon-fed to you be the west.

As far as the Red Army Faction is concerned;

Yes friend I do believe in armed struggle against imperialism. Perhaps we should start with you.

[F_Hayek]

You should use some more objective sources RAF.

I don&#39;t think my knowledge of the theories is that bad, but I can of course say the same thing about you. Before you condemn capitalism, you should at least have an understanding so you can compare. Have you ever read anything of Friedman, Mill, Smith, Hayek, Rand, von Mises or only the Communist Manifesto?

And with respect to the latter, why was it called "Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics", without mentioning Russia? Or were they just acting out of "self defence"?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 06:50 PM
You should use some more objective sources RAF.

I don&#39;t think my knowledge of the theories is that bad, but I can of course say the same thing about you. Before you condemn capitalism, you should at least have an understanding so you can compare. Have you ever read anything of Friedman, Mill, Smith, Hayek, Rand, von Mises or only the Communist Manifesto?

And with respect to the latter, why was it called "Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics", without mentioning Russia? Or were they just acting out of "self defence"?
I hold a Ph.D in Political science from U of L. Take that as you wish.

You say in resoinse to the latter, latter meaning second of two. My second statement was in regards to the RAF. What exactly were you making your reference to the USSR from? In addition I&#39;m sure you already know when the name of Russia was changed to the USSR and are merely attemptingto break my balls.

Could you clarify your post please?

[F_Hayek]

So? I am doing a masters in economics and philosophy, Did you perhaps also studied some economics, then you would know you&#39;re betting on the wrong horse. And it&#39;s rather sad someone with a Ph.d. supperting the Rote Armee Fraktion, so I am not impressed.

Obviously the capitalist were the imperialistic assholes in your post, so I respond with the question why Russia&#39;s name was changed.

[Vinny Rafarino]

And that&#39;s your opinion. That is all and nothing else. I will take it with as such.

As with the changing of any name it signifies a new era of progressiveness while severing all connections with the past.

[F_Hayek]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 5 2003, 10:55 PM
And that&#39;s your opinion. That is all and nothing else. I will take it with as such.

As with the changing of any name it signifies a new era of progressiveness while severing all connections with the past.
Ehm yes, you&#39;re right. Sure it had nothing to do with the fact that your ideology is a little bit imperialistic as well, the name says it all, every country should obey otherwise we&#39;ll just occupie it?

[Vinny Rafarino]

You&#39;re right. My idealology is also imperialistic. I made the mistake of assuming you knew what I meant. Allow me to re-phrase my previous statement.

"Yes friend I do believe in armed struggle against [capitalist] imperialism. Perhaps we should start with you."

[F_Hayek]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 7 2003, 06:03 AM
You&#39;re right. My idealology is also imperialistic. I made the mistake of assuming you knew what I meant. Allow me to re-phrase my previous statement.

"Yes friend I do believe in armed struggle against [capitalist] imperialism. Perhaps we should start with you."
Oh well, I am not scared for the few raving lunatics who still try to defend a ridiculous ideology. Funny that every time the "intellectuals" come up with a solution, like market socialism, to the unsolvable problems in socialism they have to be reminded tha t it&#39;s like bringing water to the sea. It&#39;s pathetic to see that your idealogy is intellectually dead so you can only resort to violence.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by F_Hayek+Aug 7 2003, 05:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (F_Hayek @ Aug 7 2003, 05:04 PM)
COMRADE [email protected] 7 2003, 06:03 AM
You&#39;re right. My idealology is also imperialistic. I made the mistake of assuming you knew what I meant. Allow me to re-phrase my previous statement.

"Yes friend I do believe in armed struggle against [capitalist] imperialism. Perhaps we should start with you."
Oh well, I am not scared for the few raving lunatics who still try to defend a ridiculous ideology. Funny that every time the "intellectuals" come up with a solution, like market socialism, to the unsolvable problems in socialism they have to be reminded tha t it&#39;s like bringing water to the sea. It&#39;s pathetic to see that your idealogy is intellectually dead so you can only resort to violence. [/b]
I&#39;ll keep your interpretation of my idealolgy in mind. Thanks.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2003, 05:40 PM

And the Americans would have gotten nowhere without the German

United States had already made advancements without German scientists. The U.S Jet Program which already had working jet aircraft (P-59) by late 1942.

Here&#39;s the following info about the Bell P-59 Airacomet jet aircraft which went into development in 1941.

The Airacomet was America&#39;s first jet-propelled airplane. Developed during World War II, it was such a top secret project that hundreds of flights had already been made before it was announced to the public in 1943.
It began in August, 1941, by General H. H. Arnold, Commanding General of the Army Air Force. The project was conducted under the utmost secrecy, with Bell building the airplane and General Electric the engine. The first P-59 was completed in mid-1942 and on October 1, 1942, it made its initial flight at Muroc Dry Lake (now Edwards Air Force Base), California. One year later, the airplane was ordered into production, to be powered by I-14 and I-16 engines, improved versions of the original I-A.
Source (http://www.aviation-central.com/famous/abx20.htm)

U.S also made advancements in the field of liquid-propellent rockets during the 1920&#39;s. The American scientist Robert Goddard invented that first successful liquid-propellent rocket, the Goddard Rocket which was launched on March 16, 1926. Also, Goddard&#39;s Multistage rockets led to breaking the force of the earth&#39;s gravity. He is now called the father of modern rocketry.


and Russian scientists they enlisted into their ranks from after the war.

Their were no Russian scientists enlisted in the United States Jet Program or Space Program after WWII.

Nice try, fuckwit.
The equation for the amount of power needed to break away from the earth gravational pull was formulated by a Russian. U still wouldnt have gotten newhere without the Germans, which u made pardens for, the V series was the most adavanced in its time, you would have lost to the Russians if u didnt have those Germans, also u did have a Russian, I recall reading it somewhere, i will get to u on that 1.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 09:09 AM
If your trying to build up a society a long principles which are morally unjust and cannot and will never work, as was showed even before the fall of socialism, then you are either ignorant or just plain evil.

Morally unjust as in using coercion to force ones opinion on someone else for instance, or making the individual rights of minor importance to the collective. You know, all the usael arguments true freedom loving people have against most major ism&#39;s.
Builders of a society are evil?&#33;? Are you listening to yourself? The fact that you see capitalist and socialist societies in such absolute terms, makes your interpretation of political matters completly unreasonable.

Now you call yourself a capitalist and you are against "coercion to force ones opinion on someone else?&#33;?" Capitalism is based on economic controls (coercion) over the people&#33; "or making the individual rights of minor importance to the collective," you say? Now I must ask, do you even know what capitalism is?&#33;? Capitalism is based on using individuals to run the market regaurdless of their needs or prosperity. You are a paradox, you claim to be for these great ideas (like freedom), yet you contradict them entirely by being a capitalist.
Finally, who are these "true freedom loving people?" Are they in your head???