Question: Love or Hate

[Rousedruminations]

Question:

A convicted Serial killer who murders 42 girls, is at his last trial, in which it is decided what his fate would be , either he would get the death sentence or life in prison without parole. Almost all the parents of the victims hurl insults and comtemptuous statements to him all of which he remains emotionless. However one old man gets up and says Its been a struggle for me and most of the people here hate you, yet i do still love you even after you had killed my daughters so i forgive you. After hearing those words, the cracks start to appear and he starts sobbing tears of remorse of which he finally reads out a statement for having to commit those horrendous crimes, explaining to the court and to his victims, that he is very sorry and remorseful for commiting those actions - almost as if the apologizing was sincere and honest. Of course the killings had no purpose but was a source of gratification for his own sexual needs and fantasies.

My question is did sincere LOVE the old father conveyed, make him feel extremely guilty for his actions thereby triggering the tears that people did not expect from a serial killer? Did naked hate from others make him hate himself more ? is this a validation that LOVE is greater than HATE ? that perhaps LOVE can rehabilitate Serial Killers and that HATE (torture (i.e dying slowly) ) would be ineffective in rehabiliatating him but effective in hating himself for being a low regarded scum ?


there is a youtube video clip of this ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM0C-oKscmU&feature=related

[cska]

Question:

A convicted Serial killer who murders 42 girls, is at his last trial, in which it is decided what his fate would be , either he would get the death sentence or life in prison without parole. Almost all the parents of the victims hurl insults and comtemptuous statements to him all of which he remains emotionless. However one old man gets up and says Its been a struggle for me and most of the people here hate you, yet i do still love you even after you had killed my daughters so i forgive you. After hearing those words, the cracks start to appear and he starts sobbing tears of remorse of which he finally reads out a statement for having to commit those horrendous crimes, explaining to the court and to his victims, that he is very sorry and remorseful for commiting those actions - almost as if the apologizing was sincere and honest. Of course the killings had no purpose but was a source of gratification for his own sexual needs and fantasies.

My question is did sincere LOVE the old father conveyed, make him feel extremely guilty for his actions thereby triggering the tears that people did not expect from a serial killer? Did naked hate from others make him hate himself more ? is this a validation that LOVE is greater than HATE ? that perhaps LOVE can rehabilitate Serial Killers and that HATE (torture (i.e dying slowly) ) would be ineffective in rehabiliatating him but effective in hating himself for being a low regarded scum ?


there is a youtube video clip of this ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM0C-oKscmU&feature=related

This has nothing to do with hate and love. It is about the fact that when people are adversarial towards him, he can lock away any feelings of remorse he has, as he can view the relatives as his enemies. But when someone breaks that adversarial tone, the feelings of remorse come to the surface.

I don't think it in any way changed the level of remorse he had (which was disgustingly low but non-zero). It just changed wether he displayed it or not.

[Meridian]

Most people respond completely differently to insults and abuse than say, emotional or intellectual 'approaches'. I think that's quite clear.

You can sometimes see it on forums like this one as well. Often times people jump to flinging insults when they disagree with another person. But the function of an insult is not for them to understand your point of view, it is to let go of ones own anger and/or to piss the other person off. Then of course, you have the in-between, which is argument without regard to the possibility that you may yourself be wrong. But I am sorry, this is a bit tangential.

[L.A.P.]

Question:

A convicted Serial killer who murders 42 girls, is at his last trial, in which it is decided what his fate would be , either he would get the death sentence or life in prison without parole. Almost all the parents of the victims hurl insults and comtemptuous statements to him all of which he remains emotionless. However one old man gets up and says Its been a struggle for me and most of the people here hate you, yet i do still love you even after you had killed my daughters so i forgive you. After hearing those words, the cracks start to appear and he starts sobbing tears of remorse of which he finally reads out a statement for having to commit those horrendous crimes, explaining to the court and to his victims, that he is very sorry and remorseful for commiting those actions - almost as if the apologizing was sincere and honest. Of course the killings had no purpose but was a source of gratification for his own sexual needs and fantasies.

My question is did sincere LOVE the old father conveyed, make him feel extremely guilty for his actions thereby triggering the tears that people did not expect from a serial killer? Did naked hate from others make him hate himself more ? is this a validation that LOVE is greater than HATE ? that perhaps LOVE can rehabilitate Serial Killers and that HATE (torture (i.e dying slowly) ) would be ineffective in rehabiliatating him but effective in hating himself for being a low regarded scum ?


there is a youtube video clip of this ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM0C-oKscmU&feature=related

Who cares, if they had the evidence against him than he would be convicted anyways and as for rehabilitation the damage is done just kill the asshole.

[graymouser]

Who cares, if they had the evidence against him than he would be convicted anyways and as for rehabilitation the damage is done just kill the asshole.
Marxists should oppose the right of bourgeois states to execute anyone. After the revolution, democracy can decide the question as the people see fit, but before it we should say we don't trust the bourgeois state with the death penalty.

[Quail]

Who cares, if they had the evidence against him than he would be convicted anyways and as for rehabilitation the damage is done just kill the asshole.

Vengeance doesn't acheive anything. As you said, the damage is done, so what does killing that man acheive? Someone who commits a crime like that is obviously not in the right frame of mind, and I think that most if not all criminals can be rehabilitated. I don't support the death penalty under any circumstances.

[Quail]

As for the OP, I'm no pyschologist, but I think that rehabilitation needs to involve getting the criminal to accept that what they did was wrong, and to understand how it affected others. There may also be psychological issues that the criminal needs to resolve. Perhaps what that man said to him just made him realise and think about the consequences of his actions.

[Rousedruminations]

It was disgustingly low but it wasn't non-existent. His remorse existed and his tears were real , probably to save his own life from being given the death sentence yet to me, after looking at the video it seemed surreal. Its my belief that the highest degree of rehabilitation should be used for serial killers before punishment. I tend to believe that rehabilitation with tremendous amounts of love and compassion would work for the worst known serial killers, killing him would curb people from commiting such henious crimes yet rehabilitation that could span over several decades could have postive and lasting effects on the individual, eventually curing them. Of course the best of the best and experts in this field and not regular amatuers would be of use in such a process - Self confined imprisonment and punishment doesn't necessarily work at first.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Without the background knowledge needed to determine whether this guy represent(ed) an irredeemable danger to the public, I don't think it's appropriate to pass judgment on this case.