Aparently, there are a lot more lazy people around

[RGacky3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SmIAruRPrc


Since I guess poor people are poor because they don't have enough drive, they are lazy, and so on and so forth. I guess recently theres a HUGE increase in laziness in the US, I don't know what it is, must be something in the water.

[Revolution starts with U]

It's "rap music and all those people at the black chruches, walking the streets with no jobs."
^actually heard that on a talk radio show yesterday

[RGacky3]

Jesus Christ.

[GPDP]

Haven't you been paying attention to Phased Out? It's not laziness, it's a lack of good ol' middle class values!

[L.A.P.]

I've always said America is just as much of a third world country except we pretend other wise.

[synthesis]

Since I guess poor people are poor because they don't have enough drive, they are lazy, and so on and so forth. I guess recently theres a HUGE increase in laziness in the US, I don't know what it is, must be something in the water.

They're not lazy, they're "unadaptable and untrained" folks who "cannot respond to the opportunities which industry may offer." (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/opinion/27krugman.html?_r=1) Come on, be politically correct about it.

[Phased Out]

Haven't you been paying attention to Phased Out? It's not laziness, it's a lack of good ol' middle class values!

You're grasping for straws.

There may be a lot of educated people who wouldn’t mind living in a cheap neighborhood if their neighbors were other educated people with a similar mindset, but the reality is that living in a cheap neighborhood means living with uneducated people with anti-social behaviors. (Yes, not every inhabitant of a poor neighborhood is an aggressor).

Having less money and more children means sending your children to public schools in lower class neighborhoods, putting them at a big disadvantage to children of the who attend the best schools where they gain prestigious credentials that then enable them to enter the highest paying career tracks. I always laugh at libertarian types who claim that "it's better to be a poor person today than a rich person 100 years ago".

Living in a public housing project in Detroit or some hayseed establishment would be a very scary prospect for someone with decent, law abiding values.

And no, the cause of wealth inequality and unemployment isn't "lack of good values" or even the bogus "education gap". It's because of the imbalance of the labor to capital ratio. You can thank our open borders policy for the rise in unemployment and the issuing of HB1 Visas like they were dollar bills.

We have too many people in the country relative to the amount of jobs and available capital investment.

If Leftists wanted to help workers, maybe they would do something about our lax immigration policy?

[#FF0000]

Hahaha oh my god what a disgusting post

[Kuppo Shakur]

If Leftists wanted to help workers, maybe they would do something about our lax immigration policy?
But then they wouldn't be leftists. Or helping workers. wtf.

[Phased Out]

Hahaha oh my god what a disgusting post

When I say "immigration", I don't mean illegal immigration from Mexico. So, you can't brand me as a "racist". Apparently, you have no idea what's going on in the Nursing and IT industries; how the salaries have been rapidly declining due to the issuing of H1B Visas. Not only is it hurting the American Worker but it's also stealing talent away from developing nations. It's nothing but a scam by the upper classes to pay lower salaries to workers while increasing executive salaries.

Silicon Valley, where half the engineers were born overseas, after 1970.

Now, how did the United States ever manage to compete before 1970?

The answer is that in more Americans became engineers. In 2009, Americans don't want to be engineers. Despite the leftists love of “diversity,” young leftists always choose to work in fields where everyone else is white and born in this country. Talk about hypocrisy?

If immigration were cut off, then there would soon be a shortage of tech workers, nurses, engineers and salaries would increase, and more college students would therefore major in engineering, and the United States would continue to compete just as well as before except that people born here would be earning higher salaries.

I guess you support lower living standards for workers and higher compensation for the executive class?

That's the problem w/ the Leftists. They haven't really thought about labor economics in a serious way.

[Kuppo Shakur]

I guess you support lower living standards for workers and higher compensation for the executive class?
Socialism = not capitalism.
Good try though.

[#FF0000]

Words

That wasn't what I'm talking about at all, actually.


If immigration were cut off, then there would soon be a shortage of tech workers, nurses, engineers and salaries would increase, and more college students would therefore major in engineering, and the United States would continue to compete just as well as before except that people born here would be earning higher salaries.

Or these companies would outsource to where people were engineers. You know. Like they said they would.

[Phased Out]

But then they wouldn't be leftists. Or helping workers. wtf.

I know, I know. All workers around the world are suppose to unite and overthrow capitalism. Could it happen? Possibly? Should it happen? I don't see any problem with it. As I'm not one of those dorks who claim it would be "theft".

The questions is: Why hasn't it happened? I realize that capitalism was overthrown on several occasions. You can't blame it all on propaganda, religion or geography. What's the mystery? Why isn't there a victorious working class walking the streets and running things?

[Phased Out]

That wasn't what I'm talking about at all, actually.

Ok? Then what was "disgusting"? Why am I wrong?

[Kuppo Shakur]

Why isn't there a victorious working class walking the streets and running things?
RevLeft.

[Bud Struggle]

I know, I know. All workers around the world are suppose to unite and overthrow capitalism. Could it happen? Possibly? Should it happen? I don't see any problem with it. As I'm not one of those dorks who claim it would be "theft".

The questions is: Why hasn't it happened? I realize that capitalism was overthrown on several occasions. You can't blame it all on propaganda, religion or geography. What's the mystery? Why isn't there a victorious working class walking the streets and running things?

Hawks and lambs. Workers just are lambs. :( They like getting taken care of. And they really don't care if it by the corporations (through their unions) or by the government (through their representitives. Healthcare is a good example--when the companies stop providing it because of the decline of union power--they immediately turn to the government to provide it. The workers like their chruch on Sunday morning and their football on Sunday afternoon and maybe American Idol when it's on. They like Mc Donalds and F-150s.

And it's not a bad life. Material posessions if provided to some small degree to workers make them pretty content. If you want people to be discontented with the way things are--for that you have to turn to Allah.

[Robert]

To Phased Out: I don't understand your nursing industry example. RN's are well paid here in Texas and in high demand, notwithstanding the influx of immigrant nurses from Mexico, Phillippines, and India. Where are they hurting? Are nursing salaries declining anywhere?

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_%28RN%29/Hourly_Rate

[Nolan]

When I say "immigration", I don't mean illegal immigration from Mexico. So, you can't brand me as a "racist". Apparently, you have no idea what's going on in the Nursing and IT industries; how the salaries have been rapidly declining due to the issuing of H1B Visas. Not only is it hurting the American Worker but it's also stealing talent away from developing nations. It's nothing but a scam by the upper classes to pay lower salaries to workers while increasing executive salaries.

Do you have a source?

[RGacky3]

Healthcare is a good example--when the companies stop providing it because of the decline of union power--they immediately turn to the government to provide it.

As opposed to what? BUying it themselves? With what money?


Hawks and lambs. Workers just are lambs. :( They like getting taken care of. And they really don't care if it by the corporations (through their unions) or by the government (through their representitives.

Lambs? to get the benefits the lambs had to tear the shit out of the halks to get anything. Also they liked to be taken care of? TAKEN CARE OF? You do realize workers create 100% of the wealth in the damn world, Capitalists like to be taken care of. If by taken care of you mean have a bit of what they produce, then yeah?

Btw, did you ask them? Or are you just assuming that because they are on the bottom they, I guess, WANT to be there. Your clueless Bud.


The workers like their chruch on Sunday morning and their football on Sunday afternoon and maybe American Idol when it's on. They like Mc Donalds and F-150s.


You do realized that workers make up more than probably 90% of the population right? BTW, Capitalists love that stuff too.


And it's not a bad life. Material posessions if provided to some small degree to workers make them pretty content. If you want people to be discontented with the way things are--for that you have to turn to Allah.

Ask people, THEY ARE NOT CONTENT!!!

[Ele'ill]

Hawks and lambs. Workers just are lambs. :( They like getting taken care of. And they really don't care if it by the corporations (through their unions) or by the government (through their representitives. Healthcare is a good example--when the companies stop providing it because of the decline of union power--they immediately turn to the government to provide it. The workers like their chruch on Sunday morning and their football on Sunday afternoon and maybe American Idol when it's on. They like Mc Donalds and F-150s.

And it's not a bad life. Material posessions if provided to some small degree to workers make them pretty content. If you want people to be discontented with the way things are--for that you have to turn to Allah.

Even if they're in debt with one foot in the grave they feel like they're living the american dream as long as they hear about other people not doing as well.

"I'm 50k in the hole but I have an f-150 and atleast I didn't lose my house like the robinson's did across the street from me- I'm doing pretty well'

We need to socialize altruism. :mad:


The good news is that I had a conversation with two coworkers that liked Michael Moore's Capitalism- they're aware and discontented with the banks, corporate power and the wage system. They then went on to talk about Iran and started pro Obama stuff. They're both working lower class but they're at the upper end of it. They simply do not see how everything affects THEM. They see themselves as being outside of it all.

[Bud Struggle]

Even if they're in debt with one foot in the grave they feel like they're living the american dream as long as they hear about other people not doing as well.

"I'm 50k in the hole but I have an f-150 and atleast I didn't lose my house like the robinson's did across the street from me- I'm doing pretty well'

We need to socialize altruism. :mad:

Dead on post. The last 20-30 years has seen the Middle class, stay the same. Nothing has materially changed--except now the wife works outside the home (not because of great advantages for women--but because they need to pay the mortage) and people work more hous and take less vacations. And now lastly people had (HAD) borrowed from the rising values of their homes to keep up their lifestyle. And now that is gone.

Too much money to the rich, (and here's where I get in trouble) to many give aways to the poor--and not enough for the middle class.

America is all about the middle class.

[Ele'ill]

Dead on post. The last 20-30 years has seen the Middle class, stay the same. Nothing has materially changed--except now the wife works outside the home (not because of great advantages for women--but because they need to pay the mortage) and people work more hous and take less vacations. And now lastly people had (HAD) borrowed from the rising values of their homes to keep up their lifestyle. And now that is gone.

Too much money to the rich, (and here's where I get in trouble) to many give aways to the poor--and not enough for the middle class.

America is all about the middle class.

How are there too many give-aways to the poor?

Perhaps the give aways are useless because of the giant and growing gap between classes-

[Bud Struggle]

How are there too many give-aways to the poor?

Perhaps the give aways are useless because of the giant and growing gap between classes-

Yea, harsh. But they are the Lumpin Proletariat. They produce nothing and give nothing back. Money spent on the middle classes creates buying and creates business and jobs.

Money for the rich just fuels further worthless investment.

TAX THE RICH. (And cut entitlements to the poor:cool:. )

[Revolution starts with U]

The amount of money going to the lumpens through social spending is grossly overexaggerated.
Most recipients of assistance work full time jobs.

[RGacky3]

Yea, harsh. But they are the Lumpin Proletariat. They produce nothing and give nothing back. Money spent on the middle classes creates buying and creates business and jobs.


The unemployed dare not Lumpin Proletariat, most of them are very productive and can be, but the Capitalists can make more money not hiring them.

who to tax is just one issue, the bigger issue is who controls production, I think its time to start shifting that, start government sponsered coops for the unemployed, socialize healthcare and banking make it work for the people rather than the rich.

giving money to the middle class will solve the short term problem, but again the same people are in control and the middle class is gonna die out anyway.


Dead on post. The last 20-30 years has seen the Middle class, stay the same.

Except its gonnen smaller and smaller.


TAX THE RICH. (And cut entitlements to the poor:cool:. )

Why cut entitlements? Do you think people are poor because they are lazy?