If you were in the Russian Revolution, who would you be?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

What it says on the tin. Who could you see yourself as? Would you be a famous person-Lenin, Trotsky, etc. Would you be a Vyborg worker? Would you be a in the navy?

If you're an anarcjst would you be a left SR?

Would you be one of the bad guys, a Menshevik, Kerensky, or Kornilov?

[DaComm]

A member of the Revolutionary Ukrainian Insurrectionary Army (although that would be in the civil war...similar time period)

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd hang out with Lev Cheryni.

Then I'd get shot by the Cheka.

[Zanthorus]

I'd be a worker in one of the major industrial centres who joined the RSDLP and supported Lenin and the Bolsheviks sometime around the 1903-05 period. In 1918 I would put my support behind the Left-Communist fraction, while remaining a pro-Leninist. After Lenin's death in 1924 I would participate in the Workers' Group of the Russian Bolshevik Party until I was shot by the secret police or sent into siberian exile.

[DaComm]

Oh yeah, and I forgot, because of my heroic actions the Black Army wins the war, and expands all the way to the soviet far east :thumbup1:. Alternate history :D

[Weezer]

I'd be a son of a kulak who joins the Bolshevik faction of the RSDLP the months following the February Revolution, then move to Petrograd and join the Red Guards.

After serving in the Russian Civil War, I found be active in the Petrograd Soviet and then join the Left Opposition, then killed by the Secret Police in 1929, for being a Trotskyist and having relations to kulaks.

[Vanguard1917]

No point speculating. If you were a politicised member of the urban proletariat, most likely you'd have been a Bolshevik.

[Nuvem]

Some Red Army badass, putting those Black Army punks in their place.

http://fistfulofeuros.net/pedantry/images/rcwmap.gif

WE OUTMANEUVERED YA. PLAYED YA FOR FOOLS AGAINST THE WHITES THEN THREW YA AWAY LIKE A BROKEN RIFLE.

SCOREBOARD!
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Ukraine SSR!

[DaComm]

Some Red Army badass, putting those Black Army punks in their place.

http://fistfulofeuros.net/pedantry/images/rcwmap.gif

WE OUTMANEUVERED YA. PLAYED YA FOR FOOLS AGAINST THE WHITES THEN THREW YA AWAY LIKE A BROKEN RIFLE.

SCOREBOARD!
http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/SovietUnionUkraine.png
Ukraine SSR!

And what success you brought to Ukraine throughout the ages :D

[Nolan]

Some Red Army badass, putting those Black Army punks in their place.

http://fistfulofeuros.net/pedantry/images/rcwmap.gif

WE OUTMANEUVERED YA. PLAYED YA FOR FOOLS AGAINST THE WHITES THEN THREW YA AWAY LIKE A BROKEN RIFLE.

SCOREBOARD!
http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/SovietUnionUkraine.png
Ukraine SSR!

Now's that's some military maneuverizationisms.

[Nolan]

And what success you brought to Ukraine throughout the ages :D

Had a few rough spots, but it was much better than it staying some rural anarchist paradise.

[DaComm]

Had a few rough spots, but it was much better than it staying some rural anarchist paradise.

Paradise is over-rated.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

^ Zhukov :cool:

[Kléber]

I would be John Reed from the movie. Constantly be arguing with my girlfriend while the revolution is happening. Then we split up, and I catch typhus because I didn't want to be a coward like Zinoviev so I ran as fast as I could after some soldiers on the horses.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Zinoviev was a wanker. He and Kamenev didn't have the cohones they were born with.Anyway, at least you get to be one of the main founders of the US Communist Party before dying of typhus. You get to avoid seeing the mess Foster and Lovestone and their friends made of things.You get to have a movie made about you in the 80s. Then you get to have Slavoj Zizek write commentary on this movie which he will repeat over and over again.

Who gets to be Louis Bryant?

[Pavlov's House Party]

i'd be a chekist:cool:

[Martin Blank]

I'd be Gavril Myasnikov or one of his close supporters in the Workers Group (Communist Workers Party).

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Is the WPA left com? The website is interesting.

[¿Que?]

Some anonymous worker, drafted to the military. Mutinied against generals during the insurrection. End up in the Red Army, and eventually get shot for desertion.

[Magón]

I'd go around shooting stuff with Makhno, then probably be killed or flee to fight another day?

[Martin Blank]

Is the WPA left com? The website is interesting.

No, it's multi-tendency. We have left-coms (soft and hard), an-syns, DeLeonists, situationists and demo-Marxists. But any working person who agrees with the 10-point program and accepts the Constitution is welcome to become a member.

[Sir Comradical]

I'd be Felix Dzerzhinsky, founder of the Cheka.

[Raúl Duke]

Either head (or a top official) of the internal police/"secret police" (Cheka?) of the revolution or in exile.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Become a Bolshevik soldier who died fighting the Czechs Legion.

[AK]

The Tsar.

[Who?]

I'd probably be Stalin's personal assistant. :wub:

[ZeroNowhere]

And it is quite improper for the proletariat to rush into the arms of syndicalism and talk about mandatory nominations to "all-Russia producers' congresses".-Lenin.

Yeah, I'd be doing that.

[EvilRedGuy]

Oh yeah, and I forgot, because of my heroic actions the Black Army wins the war, and expands all the way to the soviet far east :thumbup1:. Alternate history :D

Basically this.

[The Feral Underclass]

I would be the bullet that got shot into Lenin, only I'd make sure I killed him.

[Sasha]

i'll propably be some russian avantgarde artist, who would then refuse to convert to social-realism. wich will be, in combination with my "loose sexual morale" and my jewishness, be enough to get purged to siberia

[Nolan]

I would be the bullet that got shot into Lenin, only I'd make sure I killed him.

But anarchists can't hit the broad side of a barn, much less make a lethal shot on dear ol' Lenin. This was proven again in Spain.

[Volcanicity]

One of the guys who shot the Romanovs.

[The Feral Underclass]

But anarchists can't hit the broad side of a barn, much less make a lethal shot on dear ol' Lenin. This was proven again in Spain.

Lies and subterfuge!

[The Feral Underclass]

One of the guys who shot the Romanovs.

You like murdering children?

[Tavarisch_Mike]

What was the motivation of killing the kids? i dont give a shit about Nicolai and Aleksandra, but Aleksei, Anastassia and the others i cant see the point.

I know that this have got a to big part in history, considering that you never hear of all the other children that had to starv to death during the rule og the czar.

[The Feral Underclass]

I have no idea why they decided to kill the children. One could suspect that it might have something to do with them growing older and becoming a rallying figure for counter-revolutionary forces. If Alexei had lived, for example, he could have become a hero/figure head for a reactionary insurgency. I have no idea whether that's the reason. Perhaps they just really hated the royal family.

But in my view, whatever the reason, murdering children can never be justified.

[Volcanicity]

You like murdering children?
No I was joking of course.I've never read any explanation why the children were murdered,it seems they were murdered for no other reason than not knowing what to do with them.All the shooters were supposedly drunk.Either way It was wrong and I for one do not condone it.

[Il Medico]

I'd be the guy who bought up all the babies when the were cheap and made millions once Stalin came into power.

[Rusty Shackleford]

some guy who stops lenin form being shot by that fucking SR.



I'd be the guy who bought up all the babies when the were cheap and made millions once Stalin came into power.
fucking lol!

[L.A.P.]

I would casually walk by Stalin during training and say "Hey, your cool and all but don't be a dick" and then he would look at me strangely.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I would be the bullet that got shot into Lenin, only I'd make sure I killed him.

That would have either led to a White victory in which the working class of Petrograd would have been exterminated and possibly a proto-fascist regime under Kolchak or an earlier rise of Stalin.

Besides, as cute as you probably are, Fanya Kaplan was hotter.

[scarletghoul]

stalin- the original gangster revolutionary. robbin banks n shit, escapin siberia a million times, swingin with younger females, mobilising the restless caucuses and adopting their great fashion sense, doing underground work while lenin n trostsky are livin it up in the west..

[synthesis]

The Romanov children were indeed killed because their existence would have been a "rallying point" for counter-revolutionaries. Specifically, the reasoning was that if the entire royal line was wiped out, it would eliminate the possibility of a White movement to restore the monarchy.

Fucked up things happen in war. That's the way of the world.

[Raúl Duke]

stalin- the original gangster revolutionary. robbin banks n shit, escapin siberia a million times, swingin with younger females, mobilising the restless caucuses and adopting their great fashion sense, doing underground work while lenin n trostsky are livin it up in the west..

If you put it that way....
I want to be a part of this.

[Lyev]

I would be Lenin's cat.

[Weezer]

That would have either led to a White victory in which the working class of Petrograd would have been exterminated and possibly a proto-fascist regime under Kolchak or an earlier rise of Stalin.


This.

[9]

i'll propably be some russian avantgarde artist, who would then refuse to convert to social-realism.

My grandmother's aunt evgenia did this. She was in UNOVIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNOVIS) at the Vitebsk school (standing far right here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/r-9/366884211/)), and then took a position teaching at an art school in Petrograd in the mid-ish 20's. Eventually, under Stalin, she was forced to resign due to "noncompliance with socialist realism". Unfortunately, her art sucked imho. But other than that, its a pretty cool story.

[Os Cangaceiros]

That would have either led to a White victory in which the working class of Petrograd would have been exterminated and possibly a proto-fascist regime under Kolchak

I doubt it. The White side was pathetically disjointed...really, their military campaign against the Bolsheviks was perhaps one of the worst run in history, due in large part to the fact that there was no real unity amongst their ranks...(White-controlled) Siberia had about 19 seperate governments during the year that Kaplan shot Lenin. Not to mention the fact that the Whites had no real social base from which to gain sustenance and support, as most of the peasantry saw the Bolsheviks as the lesser of two evils. So I think that the Reds still would've won in the long run, regardless of Lenin's (albeit large) contribution


Besides, as cute as you probably are, Fanya Kaplan was hotter.

Fanya Baron > Fanya Kaplan

[cska]

banned: http://www.revleft.com/vb/cska-banned-warning-t142459/index.html?p=1879469#post1879469

[Pavlov's House Party]

in socialism, children will play "bolsheviks and counter-revolutionaries" instead of the bourgeois "cops and robbers".

[Rusty Shackleford]

in socialism, children will play "bolsheviks and counter-revolutionaries" instead of the bourgeois "cops and robbers".
hell yes.

[Pavlov's House Party]

Bam! Bam! TAKE THAT WRANGEL, YOU'RE DEAD

NUH UHHH, YOU DIDN'T HIT ME

[Rusty Shackleford]

Bam! Bam! TAKE THAT WRANGEL, YOU'RE DEAD

NUH UHHH, YOU DIDN'T HIT ME
YEAH HUH I SO SHOT YOU!

didnt you see me pointing at you!?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Its been a while since I read it but if I remember correctly in Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution (a masterpiece) he said the children weren't supposed to be killed. Events spun out of control.

It was a bloody civil war with a lot of atrocities and stupidities on both sides. Civil wars, threatening a ruling class and their member's position in society are often extremely bloody.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

I see I've probably injected an unwanted moment of seriousness into this thread. I can only offer my profuse apologies.

[Martin Blank]

I have no idea why they decided to kill the children. One could suspect that it might have something to do with them growing older and becoming a rallying figure for counter-revolutionary forces. If Alexei had lived, for example, he could have become a hero/figure head for a reactionary insurgency. I have no idea whether that's the reason. Perhaps they just really hated the royal family.

That was the reason. Alexei would have been held up as the next tsar, if he had lived, and he would have been a rallying point for the Whites. One of the main reasons the Czech Legions moved so quickly west in 1918 was to try to rescue the tsar's family in Yekaterinburg.

[cska]

Oh for fuck's sake, grow up.

I should grow up. If I'm young I might get the wrong kind of attention.

[The Feral Underclass]

That was the reason. Alexei would have been held up as the next tsar, if he had lived, and he would have been a rallying point for the Whites. One of the main reasons the Czech Legions moved so quickly west in 1918 was to try to rescue the tsar's family in Yekaterinburg.

I'm not entirely convinced they needed to kill them though.

[coda]

I'd be one of the little grey pony-- the one Trotsky road on.

[Kuppo Shakur]

Most likely, I would be myself except not born yet.

[ZeroNowhere]

I doubt it. The White side was pathetically disjointed...really, their military campaign against the Bolsheviks was perhaps one of the worst run in history, due in large part to the fact that there was no real unity amongst their ranks...(White-controlled) Siberia had about 19 seperate governments during the year that Kaplan shot Lenin. Not to mention the fact that the Whites had no real social base from which to gain sustenance and support, as most of the peasantry saw the Bolsheviks as the lesser of two evils. So I think that the Reds still would've won in the long run, regardless of Lenin's (albeit large) contribution
What, the Civil War? That was more Trotsky than Lenin, from what I recall. But yes, the Whites were fighting on two fronts, the more dangerous one being in between them.

[gorillafuck]

I'd either support the Bolsheviks or I'd make my best to gtfo, depending on where I was.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

I'd be Stalin. Then I would blow my brains out.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I'd be Stalin's other personality and battle my suicidal counterpart in one of the greatest mental battles ever!

[Apoi_Viitor]

William S. Graves

[Os Cangaceiros]

What, the Civil War? That was more Trotsky than Lenin, from what I recall. But yes, the Whites were fighting on two fronts, the more dangerous one being in between them.

Well yeah, Trotsky was definitely more responsible for the military end of it, but Lenin played a big role in constructing the ideology of the Bolsheviks (obviously), and a single coherent ideology definitely helped out their side (in contrast to the White commanders, who didn't place much stock when it came to ideology in general).

[Palingenisis]

stalin- the original gangster revolutionary. robbin banks n shit, escapin siberia a million times, swingin with younger females, mobilising the restless caucuses and adopting their great fashion sense, doing underground work while lenin n trostsky are livin it up in the west..

I wanted to say Stalin...:(