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[EvilRedGuy]

What is Lumpen-Bourgeois?

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People whom profit off colonialism. Lumpen Proletariat run whore houses and other useless shit.

[fa2991]

Criminal proletarians who can never become class conscious. Crips, for example.

[anticap]

I've never even heard of "lumpen-bourgeois."

Here's what "lumpen-proletariat (http://marxists.org/glossary/terms/l/u.htm#lumpenproletariat)" means:


Roughly translated as slum workers or the mob, this term identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers. It includes beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements. In times of prolonged crisis (depression), innumerable young people also, who cannot find an opportunity to enter into the social organism as producers, are pushed into this limbo of the outcast. Here demagogues and fascists of various stripes find some area of the mass base in time of struggle and social breakdown, when the ranks of the Lumpenproletariat are enormously swelled by ruined and declassed elements from all layers of a society in decay.

The term was coined by Marx in The German Ideology in the course of a critique of Max Stirner. In passage of The Ego and His Own which Marx is criticising at the time, Stirner frequently uses the term Lumpe and applies it as a prefix, but never actually used the term “lumpenproletariat.” Lumpen originally meant “rags,” but began to be used to mean “a person in rags.” From having the sense of “ragamuffin,” it came to mean “riff-raff” or “knave,” and by the beginning of the eighteenth century it began to be used freely as a prefix to make a range of perjorative terms. By the 1820s, “lumpen” could be tacked on to almost any German word.

The term was later used in the Communist Manifesto (where it is translated as “dangerous classes”) and in Class Struggles in France, and elsewhere.

[Pirate Utopian]

Criminal proletarians who can never become class conscious. Crips, for example.
That don't seem right. Even Crips founder Tookie became pretty conscious during his jailtime.

Lumpen-bourgeoisie is the bourgeoisie who make money just like the normal bourgeoisie but off activities outside of the official spectrum of capitalism.
Think drugbarons, mob bosses and whatnot. They extract surplus value from for example the cornerboys, who are the lumpen-proles.

I think we should work with the lumpen-proles, they are just as fucked by capitalism, in some cases even moreso.

[anticap]

Where does the term "lumpen-bourgeoisie" originate?

[Pirate Utopian]

Nowhere really. But it's a logical conclusion if you look at drugbarons for example.
They are active in crime, so that would make them lumpen, but they make money like the bourgeoisie, so they're not lumpen-proles. Cornerboys have different class interests than that of a mob boss, so you cant lump them together as one big lumpenclass.

During the days of Marx you didnt have a lumpen-bourgeoisie but I think you can say we definitely have one now.

[anticap]

Nowhere really.

It had to have originated somewhere. Where did you first hear it?

[Pirate Utopian]

I just sorta thought it up because it made sense not to place drugbarons and cornerboys in the same class. Even if they do the both exist outside of capitalism's official spectrum.

I wouldn't be surprised if other people before me thought of it too.

[anticap]

I just sorta thought it up because it made sense not to place drugbarons and cornerboys in the same class. Even if they do the both exist outside of capitalism's official spectrum.

I wouldn't be surprised if other people before me thought of it too.

OK. That would explain why I'd never heard of it.

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A pimp would be a better example.

[EvilRedGuy]

Im assuming the Lumpen-Proletariat needs liberations but what about the Lumpen-Bourgeois?

[Tablo]

Im assuming the Lumpen-Proletariat needs liberations but what about the Lumpen-Bourgeois?
I would lump the lumpen bourgeoisie with the regular bourgeoisie. So I don't think they need liberation of any kind as they are exploiters.

[EvilRedGuy]

I would lump the lumpen bourgeoisie with the regular bourgeoisie. So I don't think they need liberation of any kind as they are exploiters.


I agree whith this.

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I agree whith this.

No one uses the term anymore, it was used to describe slave traders and people of whom profit of colonialism.