The film "Defiance".

[pranabjyoti]

I just watched it recently in HBO, seems another trash like "Enemy at the Gates". I want to know the opinions of others regarding that movie.

[Vanguard1917]

I just watched it recently in HBO, seems another trash like "Enemy at the Gates". I want to know the opinions of others regarding that movie.

It's worth watching, if only for James Bond and Billy Elliot's Russian accents. I couldn't be bothered to watch Enemy at the Gates from start to finish, so i can't fairly comment on that comparison.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

As entertainment its good (exept the fake russian accent), the Bielski partisans is a very cool story, the thing that the red army is portraited as alcoholic atisemits is a big minus.

[pranabjyoti]

As entertainment its good (exept the fake russian accent), the Bielski partisans is a very cool story, the thing that the red army is portraited as alcoholic atisemits is a big minus.
For that reason, I have switched it off in the middle.

[Charles Xavier]

I thought that the movie was good. And there was probably cases of antisemetism in the red army. It wasnt perfect, but they did say "Anti Semetism is against the party" saying that it wasnt something that was condoned.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

I thought that the movie was good. And there was probably cases of antisemetism in the red army. It wasnt perfect, but they did say "Anti Semetism is against the party" saying that it wasnt something that was condoned.

No doubt that there was some individuals that had such a stupid opinions, its just that when you here about the red army in the public today its always something bad (like the antisemitism) thats used to build up a picture of that the whole organisation was just a bunch of savages.

[Volcanicity]

It's just another form of anti-communism,whenever the Red Army are portrayed in films these days it's either as drunks, anti-semites,rapists or all three together.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

It's just another form of anti-communism,whenever the Red Army are portrayed in films these days it's either as drunks, anti-semites,rapists or all three together.

Yeah i forgot about the rapes that some individuals did commit, but is used to demonise the whole army like if it was something planed.

[Bright Banana Beard]

I thought the movie were good except for the demonization of the Red Army.

[praxis1966]

Yeah, well, not for nothin' but the Red Army did kinda go apeshit once they got into Germany proper during World War II, and more or less with the consent and approval of the upper echelons of the apparatus as well. I understand why, considering the atrocities the Germans committed during Operation Barbarossa, but that still doesn't make it right.

[Volcanicity]

Yeah, well, not for nothin' but the Red Army did kinda go apeshit once they got into Germany proper during World War II, and more or less with the consent and approval of the upper echelons of the apparatus as well. I understand why, considering the atrocities the Germans committed during Operation Barbarossa, but that still doesn't make it right.
There's no excuse for rape in any circumstances, but the fact is that is was individual members of the Red Army who commited those acts and to write off the whole of the Red Army is wrong.

[pranabjyoti]

Yeah, well, not for nothin' but the Red Army did kinda go apeshit once they got into Germany proper during World War II, and more or less with the consent and approval of the upper echelons of the apparatus as well. I understand why, considering the atrocities the Germans committed during Operation Barbarossa, but that still doesn't make it right.
People like you just forgot that the soldiers of Red Army wasn't imaginary angels from heaven, they are made of flesh and blood and it's certainly in accordance with general human nature to payback Germans a little by their own coins. At the time of war, the question of morality often takes a backseat. I am pretty sure, if just 10% of atrocities, that the Nazis had done to soviet citizens, would happen to either you and your family, you will do more atrocities in Berlin then the soldiers of Red Army.

[M-26-7]

Normally, I as a leftist would enjoy the idea of Jewish partisans banding together and killing Nazis--really, what's not to like? However, it was hard for me to enjoy the movie knowing that Daniel Craig also played the lead character in Munich, a movie which heroizes Mossad international terrorists as they travel through Europe on a killing spree. Basically, the plot of Defiance fits well within either a leftist or a Zionist narrative of WWII, and Daniel Craig's presence made it hard for me to forget about the latter narrative so I could enjoy it from the former.

[Stand Your Ground]

It was ok. Had it's good and bad points.

Overall Defiance and Inglourious Basterds were both let downs. :(

[Across The Street]

Read the book, it is much better.