Where do they stand.

[Comrade_Stalin]

who do you think Jon Stewart, Bill Maher and Michael Moore support?

[Jazzhands]

who do you think Jon Stewart, Bill Maher and Michael Moore support?

Stewart is a center-left or a centrist. He's still a left democrat.

Moore claims to be an anti-capitalist, but he still clearly harbors illusions about the Democrats. He's probably on the fence, leaning towards a CPUSAish position.

Don't know much about Maher, honestly.

[Weezer]

who do you think Jon Stewart, Bill Maher and Michael Moore support?

Jon Stewart is probably a cliche centrist liberal celebrity.

Bill Maher is a liberal anti-communist Zionist.

Michael Moore is probably a democratic socialist at best.

[praxis1966]

Meh Maher's a mixed bag at best. He certainly has some left leaning views, particularly on the environment and marijuana legislation, but he also has some right-libertarian views as well. For instance, he's quite fond of harping on the fact that he hates the National Endowment for the Arts and wishes we'd quit funding it.

[Invincible Summer]

Why does it matter?

[praxis1966]

Why does it matter?

Because, like it or not, these people are opinion makers. Millions of tools tune in every week to hang on their every word, at least in the case of Maher and Stewart and every year in the case of Moore.

[Invincible Summer]

Because, like it or not, these people are opinion makers. Millions of tools tune in every week to hang on their every word, at least in the case of Maher and Stewart and every year in the case of Moore.

Yes, but I don't see what the point of knowing their political stance is. Unless some keeners will inundate them with letters/e-mails trying to convince them to turn farther left, they are the way they are.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Michael Moore appears to have moved further left as is career has progressed. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually cut ties with the Democrats.

[praxis1966]

Michael Moore appears to have moved further left as is career has progressed. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually cut ties with the Democrats.

He basically did already in 2000 when he endorsed Nader. Of course, he made an about face in 2004 when he came out for Kerry. But the thesis of Capitalism: A Love Story tells me he's made a definite turn towards socialism these days, so I suppose there's hope for him yet.

[Comrade_Stalin]

Yes, but I don't see what the point of knowing their political stance is. Unless some keeners will inundate them with letters/e-mails trying to convince them to turn farther left, they are the way they are.

They normally don't state where they stand, instead they sometimes seeem to attack everone and everything, all most like they stand for nothing at all. One min. they support a left wing ideal and they the next they are attacking the smae group that came up with that ideal. It make it some time hard to tell were they stand, if they stand for any thing at all. Hell look at some of these post, we can't agree were they stand now.

[anticap]

Where do they stand?

Well, Moore evidently understands that Liberals (in the US sense) serve as the gatekeepers of the Left, and that they are actually 'center, or center-right':

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Of course, understanding it and acting on it are two different things, which is also evident in Moore.

[L.A.P.]

Although I may disagree with a lot of his political views as he is only center-left I actually like Bill Maher a lot. He is the only mainstream political commentator I enjoy watching.:thumbup1:

[Comrade_Stalin]

Although I may disagree with a lot of his political views as he is only center-left I actually like Bill Maher a lot. He is the only mainstream political commentator I enjoy watching.:thumbup1:

I don't know I do like his pro-death way of thing thought.

[¿Que?]

John Stewart - Comedy Central (An MTV Networks Channel, subsidiary of Viacom Inc.)

Bill Maher - Home Box Office Inc. a subsidiary of Time Warner

Michael Moore - Was Miramax (subsidiary of Disney), then the Weinstein Company, when it split from Miramax, and also Overture Films own by Liberty Starz (for distribution). But I think he said he wasn't going to make movies anymore.

Hope that helps!

[Jimmie Higgins]

John Stewart - Comedy Central (An MTV Networks Channel, subsidiary of Viacom Inc.)

Bill Maher - Home Box Office Inc. a subsidiary of Time Warner

Michael Moore - Was Miramax (subsidiary of Disney), then the Weinstein Company, when it split from Miramax, and also Overture Films own by Liberty Starz (for distribution). But I think he said he wasn't going to make movies anymore.

Hope that helps!

And Steinbeck wrote for a big-time publishing house so that's why the Grapes of Wrath is a shit book. Woodie Guthrie was on national radio and recorded for major record labels and that's why "This land is your land" is liberal crap.

Oh ok, sorry, I'll be good now.


Meh Maher's a mixed bag at best. He certainly has some left leaning views, particularly on the environment and marijuana legislation, but he also has some right-libertarian views as well. For instance, he's quite fond of harping on the fact that he hates the National Endowment for the Arts and wishes we'd quit funding it. In the 1990s I remember him overtly saying that he was a libertarian and he was much more right-wing on many issues that he appears to be today. Personally I think he's kind of elitist - more so than Jon Stewart :lol: anyway - it's like he doesn't hate the tea-party or the right-wing for their bad political positions, but because they are "dumb" political positions. And I have a feeling that he thinks these dumb positions - far from being pushed by smart people with an agenda - come from dumb Americans who are just irrational. I have a feeling he would call for a genocide against everyone who doesn't like the same things he does if he had the power.

I enjoy Jon Stewart's comedy style and there was a point after the Iraq War where he was fun politically because he did take the kind of common questions and observations of "the everyman" and express them - sometime even to people in power - while they were still taboo. I think since the whole "young people get more news from Jon Stewart than from newspapers" thing happened, he has taken the show more seriously and so now there are always bullshit liberals on his show pushing their bullshit books. Stewart seems like a pretty good representation of most liberals in the US - for better and worse. He is a good barometer of liberal sentiment in the US.

Moore is similarly a good barometer, but of the broad US left. When regular working class Democrats were confused and frustrated by the Democrat's rightward shift exposed by Bill Clinton, he was expressing that frustration and eventually broke with the Dems and made some really excellent speeches about not settling for what the politicians tell us is "realistic". But when then when the left swung back to the right and solidly into the arms of even the most overtly pro-war Democrats, Moore did the same. If Moore ever became a revolutionary, then I think we'd all better log off and join the Revolution because it would probably be a sign that millions of people in the US were in a similar process of radicalization.

[ContrarianLemming]

If Moore said he suppots socialism then I'd just straight away assume he means "Welfare".

[¿Que?]

And Steinbeck wrote for a big-time publishing house so that's why the Grapes of Wrath is a shit book. Woodie Guthrie was on national radio and recorded for major record labels and that's why "This land is your land" is liberal crap.

Oh ok, sorry, I'll be good now.

No, that's valid criticism, but I never meant to imply that any of these guys do shit work. In fact, I watch Stewart almost every night, and I used to watch Maher every Friday when I had HBO. It is arguably the best stuff on TV currently.

But the OP asked about their views, and I think it's pretty safe to say that if, say, Stewart became a vocal Trotskyist, we'd be back with Craig Kilborne in a short while.

Case in point. Wasn't Maher on a different channel back in the 90's? And why is he now on HBO? Did it not have something to do with his views?

[Jimmie Higgins]

Case in point. Wasn't Maher on a different channel back in the 90's? And why is he now on HBO? Did it not have something to do with his views?Oh yeah - didn't he get in trouble after 9/11 for saying that "flying a plane into a building is not cowardly, but takes a lot of balls". I can agree with that 100% - you have to be pretty fucking angry at something - justified or not - to fly a plane into a building like on 9/11 or that anti-tax nut did a year ago.

But of course in 2001 to even suggest that 9/11 was promoted by any anger at the US (other than hating our "freedoms" for some unknown reason) was treasonous - hell not driving an SUV was considered treasonous.

Yeah it's funny that he got crapped on for saying something that doesn't imply any moral judgment of the act, but just the act of questioning the validity of the myths and hoopla that were being drummed up to get the population to support bombing Afghanistan was enough to get a TV personality in hot water.

[The Vegan Marxist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neyMdjrbM18

[praxis1966]

neyMdjrbM18

That sounds pretty damned socialist to me. It just sounds like Moore's trying to soft soap it so people don't get hung up on semantics. An interesting tactic, but I'm not sure how many people it will convince.

[Il Medico]

At the risk of sounding like an ML, they're all liberals.

[praxis1966]

At the risk of sounding like an ML, they're all liberals.

So is your face.

[Comrade_Stalin]

At the risk of sounding like an ML, they're all liberals.

I would say they are conservatives trying to get support form the left. All of the if not most want to have the "free market" system, only in a fourm that they approve of.

[L.A.P.]

Jon Stewart is probably a cliche centrist liberal celebrity.

Bill Maher is a liberal anti-communist Zionist.

Michael Moore is probably a democratic socialist at best.

I was watching a recent episode of Real Time with Bill Maher and a conservative accused him of supporting socialism and Maher responded to it by saying he does. Also, in an earlier episode Bill Maher denounced the libertarian views he was known for having in his earlier career and said "When I called myself a Libertarian people said 'Oh Bill all you care about is smoking weed and sex' and that was exactly right".

[Il Medico]

So is your face.
It appears that my face has been politically outed.

[Comrade_Stalin]

It appears that my face has been politically outed.

When did doctor who go out of date, or in for that matter?

[Comrade_Stalin]

I was watching a recent episode of Real Time with Bill Maher and a conservative accused him of supporting socialism and Maher responded to it by saying he does. Also, in an earlier episode Bill Maher denounced the libertarian views he was known for having in his earlier career and said "When I called myself a Libertarian people said 'Oh Bill all you care about is smoking weed and sex' and that was exactly right".

Does Bill Maher understand what Socialism is? He still thinks that Stalin has a cult of personality. I know very few people in the US how could even tell me what capitalism is.

[L.A.P.]

Does Bill Maher understand what Socialism is? He still thinks that Stalin has a cult of personality. I know very few people in the US how could even tell me what capitalism is.

A lot of communists think Stalin had a cult of personality too so that doesn't really make a difference.

[Ocean Seal]

who do you think Jon Stewart, Bill Maher and Michael Moore support?
Bill Maher is a liberal bourgeois elitist. To be honest he supports himself and whoever gives him his paycheck.
Jon Stewart is a mainstream liberal bourgeois, supports the democratic party almost unquestioningly.
Michael Moore seems to be the odd one out. During his last film he sounded almost like a revolutionary socialist and basically dropped the capitalists dead in a way that relates to the American public. His allegiances are flaky however.

[Pawn Power]

Does Bill Maher understand what Socialism is? He still thinks that Stalin has a cult of personality. I know very few people in the US how could even tell me what capitalism is.

Stalin... a cult personality?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p6MsuNJVCNs/SxPG-aAVIMI/AAAAAAAABZg/0xMH8FyO5K0/s1600/stalin1.jpghttp://www.workersoftheworldunite.org/stalin.jpg

[Comrade_Stalin]

A lot of communists think Stalin had a cult of personality too so that doesn't really make a difference.

No cult of personality is made up terms to say why some one who ran his country well would be liked. You can make anyone have a "cult of personality" for example Abraham Lincoln could be said to have a "cult of personality".

[Comrade_Stalin]

Stalin... a cult personality?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p6MsuNJVCNs/SxPG-aAVIMI/AAAAAAAABZg/0xMH8FyO5K0/s1600/stalin1.jpghttp://www.workersoftheworldunite.org/stalin.jpg

Are you tring to make the point that Bill Maher is a socialist?

[Pawn Power]

Are you tring to make the point that Bill Maher is a socialist?

nope

[Jimmie Higgins]

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/blog/images/july06/stalin.jpg

No cult of personality is made up terms to say why some one who ran his country well would be liked. You can make anyone have a "cult of personality" for example Abraham Lincoln could be said to have a "cult of personality".There was no Abe Lincoln cult of personality during his lifetime - he is now fetishized by the US ruling class as if his personal will brought down slavery, when it was historical developments and the anti-slavery movement that eventually brought the reluctant Lincoln to advocate emancipation. So Lincoln is more like how the USSR under Stalin fetishized Lenin and Marx as if these induviduals themselves, were solely responsible for the revolution.

Someone who ran a country and was popular...
http://www.theweekinblue.com/communism/stalin_propaganda.jpg
hmm, less Lincoln and more...
http://www.lombardmaps.com/cat/napoleonic/c1950napoleon.jpg

[praxis1966]

Someone who ran a country and was popular...
http://www.theweekinblue.com/communism/stalin_propaganda.jpg
hmm, less Lincoln and more...
http://www.lombardmaps.com/cat/napoleonic/c1950napoleon.jpg

All of which looks remarkably similar to this (you guessed it)...

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=608&pictureid=6845

And this photo of the current pope, Benedict XVI.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=608&pictureid=6847

Kinda funny the last Pope apologized for the Catholic Church's behavior during World War II and then the College of Cardinals turns around and elects a former member of the Hitler Youth, eh?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=608&pictureid=6848

You just wanna pinch his cheeks doncha?

[Nuvem]

A lot of Catholics try to excuse the fact that the Pope is former HJ...but he was in until he was 17. I've seen how effective Nazi brainwashing is in small social units, I can only imagine the ideas they worked into his brain in Third Reich society and in the Hitlerjungend no less. That shit doesn't just go away.

As for the three listed...Stewart's an unrepentant liberal, no one can fucking agree on what Maher is, and M. Moore is a Social Democrat at best.

[Jimmie Higgins]

That photo of lil' pope is so chilling.

[praxis1966]

That photo of lil' pope is so chilling.

I know, right?! First time I ever saw it I felt my ass crawling up my back, too.