Massive demonstrations against the extreme-right in Sweden!

[aty]

After the election yesterday when Sverigedemokraterna got 5,7% we have just had massive demonstrations against the extreme right! In just some hours we have gathered thousands of people all over Sweden.
In Stockholm: 20 000 still on
Göteborg: 7000+ still going on in the rain
Malmö: 3000 next one 20.30
Umeå: 1000+
Västerås: 500+

More updates soon and more demonstrations on Saturday....

[Red Commissar]

Videos or images? I'm disgusted enough with a far-right group getting in the way it did.

[NecroCommie]

Yeah! Kick the fascist scum out of the streets! Force them to hide in internet like the vermin they are!

I think it is safe to say that political polarization in europe is a fact. This is similar to early 30's in many ways.

[aty]

Stockholm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HcWfdBz9UQ

[chegitz guevara]

Just listened to an interview with one of them on National Public Radio here. The commentator was clearly disgusted with him, but when the SD refereed to Islam as an ideology the interviewer got kinda bent outta shape. She said, it's a faith, not an ideology. I'm like, o_0

[aty]

If it werent for the south of Sweden they would have never got in. They have the absolut biggest support in the far-south of Sweden called Skåne. In other areas they dont barely exist, like in the capital Stockholm they are not even in the local assembly. And the north of Sweden they practically dont exist, north of Sweden is very red.

[chegitz guevara]

Maybe you should give Skåne back to the Danes.

[NecroCommie]

If it werent for the south of Sweden they would have never got in. They have the absolut biggest support in the far-south of Sweden called Skåne. In other areas they dont barely exist, like in the capital Stockholm they are not even in the local assembly. And the north of Sweden they practically dont exist, north of Sweden is very red.
That way around? How is that even possible? Considering that most of the immigrants are in the cities of the south, doesn't it usually mean that where there are immigrants there is tolerance? At least that's the way it is here.

[aty]

That way around? How is that even possible? Considering that most of the immigrants are in the cities of the south, doesn't it usually mean that where there are immigrants there is tolerance? At least that's the way it is here.
It is the rich places that dont have many immigrants in Skåne that votes for Sverigedemokraterna. Not the places were it is mixed.

Malmö today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byKPU8nEaKY

[Sasha]

Stockholm
1HcWfdBz9UQ

wow, here geert wilders got 1,4 milion votes and oposition is almost non-exsistent

[Tavarisch_Mike]

If it werent for the south of Sweden they would have never got in. They have the absolut biggest support in the far-south of Sweden called Skåne. In other areas they dont barely exist, like in the capital Stockholm they are not even in the local assembly. And the north of Sweden they practically dont exist, north of Sweden is very red.

Now hold on, they did gain more votes this time in Stockholm.

The reason for theire support in Skåne is kind of complexed, Skåne used to be a area of class-struggle, on one hand you had reactionary farmers, landowners and the "regular" borgeousie, in the other hand you had farm labours and industrial workers. During the 30s nazis gained most support in Skåne, but intirerly among the upper classes, after the war they died out.

Skåne is the region of Sweden that has the highest amount of immigrants, this is nothing new, during the whole post-ww2 era Sweden have had a high immigration level. During this period things where very stable, Skåne is build on agriculture and heavy industry, especially shipbuilding, cities as Malmö and Landskrona have always being red areas. In the late 70s the shipyard industry collapsed and with that also many other sectors in heavy industry, unemployment grew and later on the global situation became more violent, wich resulted in more immigration, just that now there was no jobs.

I think this is the main reasons for theire support in Skåne, since it is a region that never recovered frome the industrial collapse so the ethnic swedish working class feel betrayd and that the immigrants are being given preferential treatment. Sd has used this in classical divide and conquer-tactic.

[Wanted Man]

wow, here geert wilders got 1,4 milion votes and oposition is almost non-exsistent

Yeah, the massive outrage against the SD is one positive thing to salvage from this election. It's quite a bit different compared to the passiveness that followed Wilders's victory, with the exception of a few small committees full of people who are already activists.

Of course, there are differences. Wilders was already in parliament, and he came out of the liberal elite. The SD, on the other hand, seem to come from more openly nationalist sources. A possible better comparison in the Netherlands would be Janmaat entering parliament, which did draw large protests.

[Adi Shankara]

Maybe you should give Skåne back to the Danes.

Speaking of Denmark, does anyone know why Denmark in particular is so far-right and racist? isn't something like 15% of Denmark's parliament controlled by the Dansk Folkeparti, not to mention the ruling party that is still pretty extreme right?

What the hell is in the water there?

[aty]

Things are really happening all over but to late sadly. Hopefully this rage will get the left a whole new movement. On facebook people are very upset and many are writing that all who voted SD will be removed from their friendlist and such things, by "ordinary people".
New groups is started all the time with people who want to do something. The demonstrations against SD was just the start of this "facebook-activism". Pretty interesting how you can use social medias to gather such large crowds in such little time, this is the future for socialism, organising on facebook :)

[Sasha]

Yeah, the massive outrage against the SD is one positive thing to salvage from this election. It's quite a bit different compared to the passiveness that followed Wilders's victory, with the exception of a few small committees full of people who are already activists.

Of course, there are differences. Wilders was already in parliament, and he came out of the liberal elite. The SD, on the other hand, seem to come from more openly nationalist sources. A possible better comparison in the Netherlands would be Janmaat entering parliament, which did draw large protests.

well yeah, its just that i'm still schocked how fast we went from sending postcards to germany and boycotting austria to shrugging wilders of as "just his opinion".
of course im not so much suprised about the amount of people who voted for him, the dutch always have been quite racist and reactionary in general and all the "open & tolerant" talk was just fronting offcourse.
its just the total cowardice of most non-wilders supporters.
although that even fucking voorhoeven quited the VVD over wilders today might indicate that things are finaly shifting

[Adi Shankara]

well yeah, its just that i'm still schocked how fast we went from sending postcards to germany and boycotting austria to shrugging wilders of as "just his opinion".
of course im not so much suprised about the amount of people who voted for him, the dutch always have been quite racist and reactionary in general and all the "open & tolerant" talk was just fronting offcourse.
its just the total cowardice of most non-wilders supporters.
although that even fucking voorhoeven quited the VVD over wilders today might indicate that things are finaly shifting


You live in Netherlands--does Geert Wilders have alot of popularity? Is the Netherlands taking an extreme turn to the right?

[Sasha]

You live in Netherlands--does Geert Wilders have alot of popularity? Is the Netherlands taking an extreme turn to the right?

if there would be elections today he would be projected to become the biggest party.
Not that he has a lot more support than earlier right-wing populist partys, its just that the politicals landscape is completly fractured with the social-dems, the christian-dems and the liberal-conservatives last times only having marginal more vote than the socialist, the greens, the left-liberals and the extreme-right. to top that off we also have the "progresive"-evangelicals, the protestant fundamentalists and even the animal-rights party holding parlementairy seats. (contrary to sweden and germany we have no tresholt)

on this moment the liberal-conservatives and the christian-dems are trying too form an minority goverment depending on support of geert wilders

wilders is mostly dangerous in two ways, because they are scared of his fast growth center party's are taking over his talking-points and he is an usefull idiot used to take away attention to the margret tacher like austerity the atempted coalition-partys are brewing up.

[Wanted Man]

Well, I have to reconsider the SD-Janmaat comparison a bit. After all, Janmaat was shunned by all the other parties, journalists boycotted him and MPs walked out of the room when he spoke. He was never a serious coalition partner. Anyone who would propose such a thing would have lost all credibility at that time. There was the famous clash between Wallage and Bolkestein: "I never want to be named in the same sentence as Mr Janmaat." Of course, back then, Janmaat was prosecuted for saying things like "We will abolish multi-cultural society", "Full is full", etc. Nowadays, that kind of rhetoric is liberally used not only by Wilders, but also by others. But this is getting a bit specifically Dutch.

Perhaps the SD's fate would have been the same as Janmaat's parties if Sweden didn't have the 4% threshold. Let them have their little ghetto of 1-3 seats and see how long it takes them to fuck up. But of course, that's just guesswork. In any case, now they instantly enter parliament as a serious coalition or minority support partner. The main similarity with Janmaat is that, as these protests show, the SD are still in the "dark", "uncivilised" and "racist" corner that no decent person wants to be associated with. However, their instant electoral success will probably change this and put their views "up for discussion" in all of society.


well yeah, its just that i'm still schocked how fast we went from sending postcards to germany and boycotting austria to shrugging wilders of as "just his opinion".
of course im not so much suprised about the amount of people who voted for him, the dutch always have been quite racist and reactionary in general and all the "open & tolerant" talk was just fronting offcourse.
its just the total cowardice of most non-wilders supporters.
although that even fucking voorhoeven quited the VVD over wilders today might indicate that things are finaly shifting

In a way, Wilders is a consequence of all sorts of political problems, rather than a cause. That instantly identifies the problem with the clichés that his opponents on the left use: "Wilders divides people", "Wilders puts different groups up against each other". The problem is rather that these divisions have existed for a long time, and that Wilders is simply the person who can put them into words without isolating himself within a "dark" corner like Janmaat did (even though the implications of his statements are much worse).

I do agree with the stuff about German postcards and Austrian boycotts, but that attitude already changed with 9/11, Fortuyn, the murder of Van Gogh, etc. All these events accelerated this "process" (more of a regression, really) and merely exposed the fact that the "tolerance" thing was always a bit of a mask. Pim Fortuyn was pretty important here, because there was the anticipation that he was going to be prime minister, that he would "change" something, no matter what. At some point, I doubt people would have cared if they had known that a government including his party would end up fighting each other and collapsing within months, just as long as there was a shake-up of some kind. Instead, he was murdered and we got 8 years of Balkenende. In that context, it was almost impossible for Wilders to not be successful.

Lastly, I strongly doubt that the exit of Voorhoeven (or the protests of other senior VVD and CDA members) is really that significant. So many of them come from the time when anything to their right was basically Janmaat. But perhaps people like that will become more vocal when the new government gets into trouble.


Speaking of Denmark, does anyone know why Denmark in particular is so far-right and racist? isn't something like 15% of Denmark's parliament controlled by the Dansk Folkeparti, not to mention the ruling party that is still pretty extreme right?

What the hell is in the water there?

Same as in many European countries, basically. What we're seeing is that a large enough amount of people are no longer ashamed of voting far-right, even when there is a vote threshold like in Sweden, and liberal/conservative governments need their support to make any kind of policy (unless they want to make concessions to the "left").


You live in Netherlands--does Geert Wilders have alot of popularity? Is the Netherlands taking an extreme turn to the right?

Election results speak for themselves, really. I don't think it's an extreme turn, though, but an expected move considering the political history of the past decade. Also relevant is that the three main right-wing parties got only a very tight majority of seats, and 49.6% of the popular vote. Their main strength is that they're a relatively coherent force (compared to the left, anyway) and that they control public debate.

[AK]

Stockholm
1HcWfdBz9UQ
Is that an Irish flag at 0:48 :confused:

[aty]

Just heard that a Swedendemocrat in Stockholm got stabbed this evening. But the media seems to ignore it, just a minor news.
Very bad and not something that is going to win the fight against Sverigdemokraterna.

[aty]

Is that an Irish flag at 0:48 :confused:
Yes we have some radical left-wing that has contacts with the more anti-GFA republican groups in Ireland.

[fionntan]

Is that an Irish flag at 0:48 :confused:


It is why?

[fionntan]

Yes we have some radical left-wing that has contacts with the more anti-GFA republican groups in Ireland.


The 32CSM would have close ties with Swedish Communists ..

[Adi Shankara]

I guess the one thing I'm glad about is, the Republic of Ireland seems to be immune to the right-wing sweep that is going across Europe, seeing as they haven't elected any openly xenophobic politicians, parties, or ideologues.

[fionntan]

I guess the one thing I'm glad about is, the Republic of Ireland seems to be immune to the right-wing sweep that is going across Europe, seeing as they haven't elected any openly xenophobic politicians, parties, or ideologues.

Thats because they are in government in 26 counties..

[aty]

More news, Sverigedemokraternas membersregister has just been hacked and released! 5700 people on it.

[aty]

These protests are the top news in Sweden at the moment, and now that the membersregister has been hacked. That a Swedendemocrat got stabbed is only in one smaller newspaper.

Sverigedemokraternas webpage hacked and down, just happened: http://www.sverigedemokraterna.se/

Here is the members register: http://www.sverigedemokrater.se/ you can search name, city, adress etc. :)

[Rusty Shackleford]

i envy swedish political consciousness.

i remember when the freedom flotilla was attacked, tens of thousands mobilized in hours. (as was reported by swedish comrades on here)

political consciousness in the US only equals "im in the tea party"

[Who?]

These protests are the top news in Sweden at the moment, and now that the membersregister has been hacked. That a Swedendemocrat got stabbed is only in one smaller newspaper.

Sverigedemokraternas webpage hacked and down, just happened: http://www.sverigedemokraterna.se/

Here is the members register: http://www.sverigedemokrater.se/ you can search name, city, adress etc. :)

We should post some of their e-mails on 4chan. :glare:

[Obzervi]

Good to see, but I'm still not convinced that Swedes are as tolerant as they say they are considering that the regions with highest votes for the anti-immigrant party correlated with the proportion of immigrants in the region. In other words, I view Swedes who live in 99% white areas and claim to be progressive on racial issues with suspicion.

[Khalid]

Great! I hope people in Finland are ready for this kind of action too. Next year we probably have to demonstrate against the fascist True Finns party.

[Queercommie Girl]

I guess the one thing I'm glad about is, the Republic of Ireland seems to be immune to the right-wing sweep that is going across Europe, seeing as they haven't elected any openly xenophobic politicians, parties, or ideologues.

How can any capitalist state be "immune" from racism and xenophobia?

[NecroCommie]

Good to see, but I'm still not convinced that Swedes are as tolerant as they say they are considering that the regions with highest votes for the anti-immigrant party correlated with the proportion of immigrants in the region. In other words, I view Swedes who live in 99% white areas and claim to be progressive on racial issues with suspicion.
Sweden as a counry is very heavily populated by immigrants. There are very few areas that don't have immigrants to some degree.


I hope people in Finland are ready for this kind of action too. Next year we probably have to demonstrate against the fascist True Finns party.
No way I fear. Too much apathy in the left. Young people think they are somehow "above" politics. And what the fuck is it with a party which's fucking name implies national purity.

[maskerade]

Good to see, but I'm still not convinced that Swedes are as tolerant as they say they are considering that the regions with highest votes for the anti-immigrant party correlated with the proportion of immigrants in the region. In other words, I view Swedes who live in 99% white areas and claim to be progressive on racial issues with suspicion.

so you have to live in mixed racial areas in order to not be a racist? ...

Swedish people interact with immigrants everyday, they make up 14% of our population. The one thing I can say though is that Swedish governments have failed tremendously at integration, as immigrant communities are very segregated from the rest. I think this might be a reason why a lot of young people voted for SD, because they feel a certain animosity between themselves and their immigrant peers...

I also dislike the term "immigrant" when used by the far-right, because they don't care about finnish, american or british immigrants, only those from north africa and the middle east. By saying "immigrants" they are able to hide their racism.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

I just want to point out that our population hasnt, all of a sudden, becommed racists.
Opinion polls have showed that just less then 10% of those who vote for SD identifies themselfes with the party or its ideology.

The reason for that some people vote for them is not because they belive in the "islamisation" threat or that different cultures cant mix. That i wrote about Skåne can be applicated on the rest of Sweden, since the 80s a lot of our heavy industry (thats provided a big part of all work opportunitys) have becommed less and since the 90s heavy cuts in the wellfare-sector has benn done, for example tasks that used to be done by 3 nurses are today done by just 1(!).

This is not discussed on how we must deal with it, wich builds up frustration, unfortunatley SD has gained more votes among the working class, and arguments such as "how can we afford to take in more of them and in the same time our schools are being closed" gets real for some.

EDIT; Just heard on teh radio that many none-SDs are on the members register, so be careful if youre going to do a call.

[aty]

On the 4th october it will be big demonstrations against Sverigedemokraterna and the right wing politics, it starts at Sergels Torg 17,00. It would be good to see comrades all over the world there!
On the 4th october the parliament opens after the elections for the first time.

[aty]

Many more protests in all corners of Sweden have taken place, tonight in Lund 2500 demonstrated against Sverigedemokraterna in a city with 90 000 inhabitants.
http://www.sydsvenskan-img.se/archive/00844/demo2_844109a.jpghttp://www.sydsvenskan-img.se/archive/00844/demo4_844108a.jpg