Hello

[Durotanity]

Hey, my name is Paul, and i am here to learn what sort of leftism is for me. I have always had a pull towards leftist style governments, but have never found one single ideology that i could stand behind, rather ideas, or segments of different types. If i had to put down one type of leftism, i would say that the final form of communism (essentially, everything is free, and everyone does their part, or the end of currency) is what i look towards most.

I am a 17 year old senior in high school, and i love to read and expand my knowledge of our world (although i do not enjoy the way it is presented in school). I find myself, at least once a week, getting into arguments with little rich kids/ignorant teachers on styles of economics, and the governments that go with them. I always try to keep an open mind to new ideals, and the fact that everyone has a right to their opinion (no matter how wrong i think it is).

I hope to learn much from this site, and look forward to having new material to work with in my debates.

[revolution inaction]

hi welcome :)

my idea of communism wouldn't have a government

[Veg_Athei_Socialist]

Welcome to Revleft:)!

[Q]

Welcome :)

The rich kids and teachers are indeed annoying :lol:

[AK]

Welcome :lol:


my idea of communism wouldn't have a government
...that is separated from direct control by the masses.

Sorry, it might have confused the OP.

[Durotanity]

lol no i understand that completely and i agree with him (at least in the final form).

[revolution inaction]

Welcome :lol:


...that is separated from direct control by the masses.

Sorry, it might have confused the OP.

i wouldn't call something under the direct control of the masses a government, although i know soem people do

[AK]

i wouldn't call something under the direct control of the masses a government, although i know soem people do
Think about it, the entire process of governing is done by the people. It is still a form of government, just not a kind we have been used to for so long.

[revolution inaction]

Think about it, the entire process of governing is done by the people. It is still a form of government, just not a kind we have been used to for so long.

i generally think that a government is an organisation that government oven the population, not an organisation of the population.

[Q]

i generally think that a government is an organisation that government oven the population, not an organisation of the population.

Government and state are not the same thing.

[revolution inaction]

Government and state are not the same thing.

i know, how is that relevant?

[Q]

i know, how is that relevant?

It is relevant in that a government is not necessarily an organisation "over the people". Take for example a soviet government.

[Nolan]

A government would be any body that governs something, be it a neighborhood council or the supreme soviet.

[scarletghoul]

Welcome to RevLeft :)
an organisation that government oven the populationI'm not sure what you mean by this. What has ovens got to do with anything ?

[revolution inaction]

It is relevant in that a government is not necessarily an organisation "over the people". Take for example a soviet government.
the government is not the state but it is a part of the state
i think the soviets used representatives not delegates, so this doesn't help
i wouldn't call a direct democratic form of organisation a government


A government would be any body that governs something, be it a neighborhood council or the supreme soviet.
i think this is an overly broad use of the word government


Welcome to RevLeft :)I'm not sure what you mean by this. What has ovens got to do with anything ?

fuck you

[AK]

In an anarchist context, "state" refers to a kind of government constituting centralised political power. The other kind of government has no connection to social classes or the state. Government is any body that governs, as Red America has said.