Does anarchy works?

[Nanukaki]

Hey I was lurking this site and I wanted to register so I can ask a question. If anarchy works and it is a good system, why do we still have a state ?

[Queercommie Girl]

Your grammar is wrong...

It should be "Does anarchy work?" not "works".

[Nanukaki]

Your grammar is wrong...

It should be "Does anarchy work?" not "works".

Thank you! English is not my first langorge.

[ContrarianLemming]

Hey, we know representitive democracy works, so why did we have fuedalism for so long?

people are controlled, that's why

[Nanukaki]

Hey, we know representitive democracy works, so why did we have fuedalism for so long?

people are controlled, that's why


How does representative democracy work? It sucks! It's democracy for the rich!

[Queercommie Girl]

How does representative democracy work? It sucks! It's democracy for the rich!

It's still relatively progressive compared with feudal autocracy.

[Nanukaki]

It's still relatively progressive compared with feudal autocracy.


What does Einstein have to do with autocracy?

[ContrarianLemming]

What does Einstein have to do with autocracy?

suggest using an english to your language translation.

[Nanukaki]

suggest using an english to your language translation.

Sorry English is not my first langorge. I will explain myself again. If democracy works for the rich and kills over 9 million people during WW2 and autocracy works for the rich and doesn't kill as many, how is democracy better?

[ContrarianLemming]

Sorry English is not my first langorge. I will explain myself again. If democracy works for the rich and kills over 9 million people during WW2 and autocracy works for the rich and doesn't kill as many, how is democracy better?

First: Hitler cheated, he was not democratically elected.

second, I'm trying to show you that just because something works and is good for people doesn't mean people will choose it, people are not entirely rational and suffer from mass propaganda.

Your argument based on how many each system kills is very flawed, since wars don't ever happen between representitive democracies, ever in history.

[Nanukaki]

First: Hitler cheated, he was not democratically elected.

second, I'm trying to show you that just because something works and is good for people doesn't mean people will choose it, people are not entirely rational and suffer from mass propaganda.

Your argument based on how many each system kills is very flawed, since wars don't ever happen between representitive democracies, ever in history.

What about all the Jews Hitler killed then?

[ContrarianLemming]

What about all the Jews Hitler killed then?

err...yes, what about them?

[Nanukaki]

err...yes, what about them?

So you basically say you don't care about the 6 million jews? I thought communists were not racism.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

This thread needs to end now.

1) Anarchy works. Capitalism does not.
2) Hitler killed more then just Jews... Don't forget: communists, unionists, gypsies, other minorities, homosexuals, anyone in his way...
3) We still have a state because ... well, fuck, that's too easy to answer. Propaganda is a powerful weapon. So is the armies the capitalists have used to suppress workers movements.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Kids, anarchy sounds like a great idea. But people becoming an anarchist never made anarchy come about, ever. Becoming an anarchist will only make you fat and miserable, ruling over your tiny insignificant internet domain with an iron fist and a bag of flaming hot cheetohs balanced on your chest.

Trust me, don't become an anarchist, get off your ass and get a real job.
I can't detect internet sarcasm, but I really do hope this was not a serious post. It's hard to tell with some of the crazies on this board.

[ContrarianLemming]

So you basically say you don't care about the 6 million jews? I thought communists were not racism.

your lack of full english makes this to hard.

+ 1 for close

[ContrarianLemming]

I can't detect internet sarcasm, but I really do hope this was not a serious post. It's hard to tell with some of the crazies on this board.

well he's an anarchist so we're good.

[Nanukaki]

your lack of full english makes this to hard.

+ 1 for close

+1 too!
(does writing +1 give me points?)

[NoOneIsIllegal]

well he's an anarchist so we're good.
I'm apparently blind in the right eye for missing that.
Edit: post was deleted anyways? lulz

[Obs]

I don't get these threads asking "Does communism work?" or "Does anarchy work?". We see them all the time in the Learning forum, and I can't for the life of me imagine what kind of response people expect other than "yes". Do people just forego thinking for a second or two before they post?

[Revolution starts with U]

As far as I know Metroid's gun is attached to his arm.
Wait.. am I doing this right?
On a more serious note, NAZI germany stopped being a democracy before Poland was ever invaded. Even Hitler's supposed democratic election was based on what would seem to be a fale-flag operation. The holacaust was carried out under a totalitarian dictatorship.
1. Name one time a representative democracy has went to war with another in history.
2. Would we, in your opinion, be better served under a Jeffersonian Constitution (changes with each generation) that is voluntary, or the one we currently have that is out-dated, contradictory, and coercive?

[NoOneIsIllegal]

As far as I know Metroid's gun is attached to his arm.
Wait.. am I doing this right?
No, because Samus is a girl.

[Revolution starts with U]

It's an old troll line designed to elicit the exact respons you gave. That's why I added the "am I doing this (trolling) right?"

[JacobVardy]

1. Name one time a representative democracy has went to war with another in history.

Finland fought alongside the Axis powers in WW2.

As to the OP, Anarchists can not raise mass armies of conscripted slave soldiers. This has lead to anarchist revolutions being crushed by statists. Not that i am advocating anarchists conscripting people but it is a serious problem.

[Apoi_Viitor]

Finland fought alongside the Axis powers in WW2.

As to the OP, Anarchists can not raise mass armies of conscripted slave soldiers. This has lead to anarchist revolutions being crushed by statists. Not that i am advocating anarchists conscripting people but it is a serious problem.

Edit: oh gosh, I'm stupid. But seriously, there are people who argue that.

[AK]

Fucking anarchy. How do they work?

[Vampire Lobster]

Finland fought alongside the Axis powers in WW2.

Well, Finland's beef was with the Soviet Union and Finland's relations with the West were pretty good, even though there was an official state of war from 1941 to 1944. Finnish forces never clashed with Western troops and until 1940 Finnish army actually had plenty of volunteers from Allied states considering before Barbarossa the global community's sympathies were on the Finnish side.

I'd say Georgia-Russia would be a better and certainly more recent example, but considering that the state of democracy in both of these countries is pretty dysfunctional, so I guess it's not that great either.

[JacobVardy]

1. Name one time a representative democracy has went to war with another in history.

Does US vs UK 1776 count? What about 1812? The British attempts to overthrow the French Republic should count. The Yankee civil war was definitely two liberal bourgeois republics fighting each other. If the UK counts as a representative democracy in 1914, then so did Imperial Germany. So WW1 was a war between RDs. I don't know anything about the internal structure of Vietnam, would its war against the US count? Then there are the US actions in South America. Pinochet's coup was an act of war by the US, does this count? What about the hiring of mercenaries to overthrow the Nicaraguan government in the 1980s?

If we broaden the definition of representative democracy, there are thousands of examples: the wars between the ancient Greek poleis; Rome's wars of expansion involved the crushing of a number of republics. The Imperial Free Cities warred incessantly among themselves. The Communes of renaissance Italy were notorious for their warring.

[JacobVardy]

Well, Finland's beef was with the Soviet Union and Finland's relations with the West were pretty good, even though there was an official state of war from 1941 to 1944. Finnish forces never clashed with Western troops...

Fair enough, they did not fire at each other. However, in the war ending treaties, Finland was listed a belligerent, forced to pay indemnities and surrender territories.

[Black Sheep]

Anarchy is currently unemployed

[revolution inaction]

1. Name one time a representative democracy has went to war with another in history.


india and pakistan 1999 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/south_asia/2002/india_pakistan/timeline/1999.stm

[Vampire Lobster]

Fair enough, they did not fire at each other. However, in the war ending treaties, Finland was listed a belligerent, forced to pay indemnities and surrender territories.

Yeah, forced to pay indemnities and surrender territories to the Soviet Union. Which indeed, hardly was a parliamentary democracy.

[EvilRedGuy]

I hope you guys are not serious. Representative democracy is democracy for the rich. Long LIVE Direct-Democracy/ Democracy in Communism! :thumbup1:

[Queercommie Girl]

All we said is that representative democracy is still relatively progressive compared with feudal autocracy, just like feudal autocracy is still relatively progressive compared with slavery based on human sacrifice. "Progressive" and "reactionary" are relative.