Ireland's Greatest Person

[Mannimarco]

The Late Late Show, one of the biggest television shows, is holding a poll to decide who to vote for as greatest irish person.

I'd ask you guys to vote for James Connolly, as one of the finest examples of a Socialist Theorist in Ireland.
wwwdotrtedotie/tv/irelandsgreatest/

The polls haven't opened yet, but will in just a few minutes.

Replace the dots with "."

[Jimmie Higgins]

My great-grandfather for leaving the country rather than becoming a priest:D

[Nuvem]

Anyone from Revleft who votes for Bono gets a swift kick to the crotch from THESE!

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[Mannimarco]

Thanks. I was wondering what the hell Bono was doing on that list.

[Kotze]

http://www.rte.ie/tv/irelandsgreatest/voting.html
"Voting lines will open during RTÉ's The Late Late Show on Friday, 17th September and will remain open throughout the Ireland's Greatest series. Voting lines will close during RTÉ's The Late Late Show on Friday, 22nd October, 2010."



WOULD YOU CONFISCATE THE PROPERTY OF THE CAPITALIST CLASS AND ROB MEN OF THAT WHICH THEY HAVE, PERHAPS, WORKED A WHOLE LIFETIME TO ACCUMULATE?

Yes, sir, and certainly not.

We would certainly confiscate the property of the capitalist class, but we do not propose to rob anyone. On the contrary, we propose to establish honesty once and forever as the basis of our social relations. This Socialist movement is indeed worthy to be entitled The Great Anti-Theft Movement of the Twentieth Century.

You see, confiscation is one great certainty of the future for every business man outside of the trust. It lies with him to say if it will be confiscation by the Trust in the interest of the Trust, or confiscation by Socialism in the interest of All.

If he resolves to continue to support the capitalist order of society he will surely have his property confiscated. After having, as you say, 'worked for a whole lifetime to accumulate' a fortune, to establish a business on what he imagined would be a sound foundation, on some fine day the Trust will enter into competition with him, will invade his market, use their enormous capital to undersell him at ruinous prices, take his customers from him, ruin his business, and finally drive him into bankruptcy, and perhaps to end his days as a pauper.

That is capitalist confiscation! It is going on all around us, and every time the business man who is not a Trust Magnate votes for capitalism, he is working to prepare that fate for himself.

On the other hand, if he works for Socialism it also will confiscate his property. But it will only do so in order to acquire the industrial equipment necessary to establish a system of society in which the whole human race will be secured against the fear of want for all time, a System in which all men and women will be joint heirs and owners of all the intellectual and material conquests made possible by associated effort.

Socialism will confiscate the property of the capitalist and in return will secure the individual against poverty and oppression; it, in return for so confiscating, will assure to all men and women a free, happy and unanxious human life. And that is more than capitalism can assure anyone today.

So you see the average capitalist has to choose between two kinds of confiscation. One or the other he must certainly endure. Confiscation by the Trust and consequently bankruptcy, poverty and perhaps pauperism in his old age, or

Confiscation by Socialism and consequently security, plenty and a Care-Free Life to him and his to the remotest generation.

Which will it be?

BUT IT IS THEIR PROPERTY. WHY SHOULD SOCIALISTS CONFISCATE IT?

Their property, eh? Let us see: Here is a cutting from the New York World giving a synopsis of the Annual Report of the Coats Thread Company of Pawtucket, Rhode Island, for 1907. Now, let us examine it, and bear in mind that this company is the basis of the Thread Trust, with branches in Paisley, Scotland, and on the continent of Europe.

Also bear in mind that it is not a 'horrible example', but simply a normal type of a normally conducted industry, and therefore what applies to it will apply in a greater or less degree to all others.

This report gives the dividend for the year at 20 per cent per annum. Twenty per cent dividend means 20 cents on the dollar profit. Now, what is a profit?

According to Socialists, profit only exists when all other items of production are paid for. The workers by their labor must create enough wealth to pay for certain items before profit appears. They must pay for the cost of raw material, the wear and tear of machinery, buildings, etc. (the depreciation of capital), the wages of superintendence, their own wages, and a certain amount to be left aside as a reserve fund to meet all possible contingencies. After, and only after, all these items have been paid for by their labor, all that is left is profit.

With this company the profit amounted to 20 cents on every dollar invested.

What does this mean? It means that in the course of five years - five times 20 cents equals one dollar - the workers in the industry had created enough profit to buy the whole industry from its present owners. It means that after paying all the expenses of the factory, including their own wages, they created enough profit to buy the whole building, from the roof to the basement, all the offices and agencies, and everything in the shape of capital. All this in five years.

And after they had so bought it from the capitalists it still belonged to the capitalists.

It means that if a capitalist had invested $1,000 in that industry, in the course of five years he would draw out a thousand dollars, and still have a thousand dollars lying there untouched; in the course of ten years, he would draw two thousand dollars, in fifteen years he would draw three thousand dollars. And still his first thousand dollars would be as virgin as ever.

You understand that this has been going on ever since the capitalist system came into being; all the capital in the world has been paid for by the working class over and over again, and we are still creating it, and recreating it. :thumbup1:

[Mannimarco]

I voted for Connolly just now. :3

[ZeroNowhere]

No Lord Dunsany? This is a farce.

[Devrim]

No Lord Dunsany? This is a farce.

No George Best. :confused:

Devrim

[Sam_b]

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[Palingenisis]

No George Best. :confused:

Devrim

Wouldnt he be in ICC speak "Norn Irish"? :rolleyes:

[Devrim]

Wouldnt he be in ICC speak "Norn Irish"? :rolleyes:

I don't think it is in any way 'ICC speak'. I say Northern Ireland because it is the name of the state, but anyway it talks about 'Ireland's Greatest'. Last time I visited, County Down did seem to still be in Ireland.

These sort of things are pretty farcical at the best of times, but this one seems particularly bad, a choice between four people from the world of politics (to be fair two of them are genuinely historic figures) and Bono.

It is a very limited choice though, what about science, for example Marconi, the inventor of the Radio, William Thomson, the guy who absolute zero is named after, or Ernest Walton, who won a Nobel prize, and is the only Irish man to do so in the field of science, for splitting the atom, or perhaps Robert Boyle, the father of Chemistry.

Literature though offers us four Noble winners to choose from, George Bernard Shaw, William Butler Yeats, Samuel Beckett and Seamus Heaney, without mentioning Joyce or Swift.

I could go on, but it really seems like the five on offer really seem like a poor selection to choose from.

Devrim

[MarxSchmarx]

I guess I'm not shocked George Berkeley wasn't on the list.Or for that matter anyone born before the photograph was invent. I guess Irish people came into being only around the mid 1800s.

Anyway although connolley is likeable enough, I'm sick of voting for the lesser of evils and sent the late late show an email with my write-in vote for the good bishop. I'm hoping it would spearhead a grassroots campaign for this highly significant endeavor.

[Dr Mindbender]

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Hail his cheese n onion-ness.

[Devrim]

Wouldnt he be in ICC speak "Norn Irish"? :rolleyes:

So obviously is John Hume.

Devrim

[ComradeOm]

Interesting to see that Joe will be defending Connolly. I'll have to watch that


These sort of things are pretty farcical at the best of times, but this one seems particularly bad, a choice between four people from the world of politics (to be fair two of them are genuinely historic figures) and BonoYou should see the full list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland%27s_Greatest). The remainder of the top ten are, in order:

Noel Brown - A progressive Minister from the 1940s. I'm genuinely shocked to see him so high. Its an odd sort of surprise... Brown should be no where near the top of this list but its good to see that people still remember him

Stephen Gately - Dead gay popstar from Boyzone. Apparently the seventh greatest Irishman to ever live*

Phil Lynott - Better musician than Bono. That's the most that can said about him

Patrick Pearse - Blithering idiot he may have been, to quote Connolly, but a legitimate historical character. Surprised that he didn't make the top five, suggests (sort've, see below) that successive damning historical assessments have had an impact on how he is perceived

Adi Roche - Chernobyl charity worker and failed presidential candidate. I can only assume that the sample population used to compile this list included several of her family members

*Based on the opinions of 1000 people questioned. According to Wikipedia, that was the sample size from which the initial shortlist was prepared. No wonder its so wonky. Which is a pity, this could otherwise have been an interesting insight into the weakening of the traditional nationalist narrative in Ireland today

[Devrim]

You should see the full list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland%27s_Greatest). The remainder of the top ten are, in order:

Oh my God. It is even worse than the top five.

It is not that I don't like modern culture. It is just that I fail to understand how Stephen Gately can be 33 places above William Butler Yeats.

Devrim

[Gravedigger01]

I'de say it will be between Connoll and Collinns for greatest Irishman. Anyone else see the irony that a man getting nearly half a million a year is educating the public on the writings of Connolly.

[ComradeOm]

I'de say it will be between Connoll and Collinns for greatest Irishman. Anyone else see the irony that a man getting nearly half a million a year is educating the public on the writings of Connolly.As opposed to a starving street urchin? I'll not hear a word against against Joe!

[AnarchoMassLineDemarchist]

fukkk em all

[Mannimarco]

As opposed to a starving street urchin? I'll not hear a word against against Joe!


Joe is a faggot. They couldn't have picked a bigger idiot to represent Connolly. I watched the documentary he hosted to try and boost Connolly, basicly, he put emphasis on that he fought for workers, but he never put emphasis on Connolly's communist beliefs or his contribution to communist theory.

He had a capitalist on to argue against Socialism. The capitalist was hilarious. He said that capitalism was better than socialism because it was driven by fear and unfair. That's basicly the best cappies can come up with.

Also, HI GARVEY. The show is a farce, though. Who picked the people to candidate? And I agree with Garvey, it'll be Collins who'll win. I was just hoping this would spread information of communism on a larger, public scale.

[ContrarianLemming]

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[Dr Mindbender]

Joe is a faggot.

homophobic slurs arent cool.

[Dr Mindbender]

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[Palingenisis]

Why isnt Sockey there?

Sockey rules !

[Mannimarco]

homophobic slurs arent cool.


In modern slang, faggot isn't exclusively a homophobic term. It's not a general insult with no particular sexual connotation.

[The Grey Blur]

In modern slang, faggot isn't exclusively a homophobic term. It's not a general insult with no particular sexual connotation.
don't be ridiculous. the common interpretation is that faggot is a homophobic insult. cut it out.