How Trotskyism can be achieved on a global scale

[ItalianTrotskyist]

Hello everyone. As you can probably tell by my username, I am a Trotskyist. It is my firm belief that Trotskyism is the final stage in mankind's politcal evolution, and will end suffering and inequality. My question here to everyone is, what do you think the Permanent Revolution's practical application will look like in the modern world? I think the first step needed in the Permanent Revolution is the banishment of country borders and trade restrictions across the world. This would definately rid the Earth of so-called third-world countries, and provide a more balanced situation. After this, it would be very easy for the working class to come together and ignite the flames of revolution. What do yo guys think?

[Pavlov's House Party]

Hello everyone. As you can probably tell by my username, I am a Trotskyist. It is my firm belief that Trotskyism is the final stage in mankind's politcal evolution, and will end suffering and inequality. My question here to everyone is, what do you think the Permanent Revolution's practical application will look like in the modern world? I think the first step needed in the Permanent Revolution is the banishment of country borders and trade restrictions across the world. This would definately rid the Earth of so-called third-world countries, and provide a more balanced situation. After this, it would be very easy for the working class to come together and ignite the flames of revolution. What do yo guys think?

You can't just get rid of borders and trade restrictions under capitalism. That's the point of revolution. First you need socialism (or a worker's state or whatever you want to call it) and the abolishment of capitalism to be able in implement the theory of permanent revolution.

Also, Trotskyism isn't what happens when capitalism goes away; it's a bunch of theories and organizational beliefs that lead to the establishment of socialism/communism.

edit: i didn't see it was your first post. welcome! :)

[ItalianTrotskyist]

You can't just get rid of borders and trade restrictions under capitalism. That's the point of revolution. First you need socialism (or a worker's state or whatever you want to call it) and the abolishment of capitalism to be able in implement the theory of permanent revolution.

Also, Trotskyism isn't what happens when capitalism goes away; it's a bunch of theories and organizational beliefs that lead to the establishment of socialism/communism.

edit: i didn't see it was your first post. welcome! :)
I know this can't happen under capitalism. I meant after Capitalism goes to the wayside, and we live in a transitional stage between Capitalism and Marxism. I was wondering how it could be implemented at this point.

[ckaihatsu]

I know this can't happen under capitalism. I meant after Capitalism goes to the wayside, and we live in a transitional stage between Capitalism and Marxism. I was wondering how it could be implemented at this point.


I recently posted on this very subject:





The content of the wide array of issues raised in this thread of discussion is the main reason why I'm at RevLeft and why I think revolutionary leftist politics is worthwhile. I've always felt that much of the political culture has "pointed" towards some kind of concrete solution to the issues raised here, but I've been surprised that hardly anyone has attempted to actually tackle and balance out all of the dimensions that would be involved in a post-revolutionary economics.

It was not until becoming active at RevLeft that I've been in the proper kind of revolutionary leftist political culture to develop these efforts in a constructive way.

Here's the rundown from this, and past discussions:


- goods and services for taking / consumption

- compensation for mental / emotional / physical labor

- consideration of total hours worked, or time factor, in labor

- consideration of hazard and/or difficulty regarding type of labor

- method of "authorizing" actual work roles / job positions

- organizing power / "authority" within laborers' own ranks

- relative value of different types of labor, from one to the other

- "jurisdictional" authority regarding natural resources, with all assets and resources being collectivized

- basic societal "upkeep" vs. mass-decided societal "progress"

- central planning

- market socialism


Without meaning to be immodest I'm pleased to say that I've developed a model that addresses *all* of these issues. The crux of it is that material-representing currency is *eliminated* in favor of labor-hour-based labor credits that *only* confer an increasing ability to organize and compensate *future* liberated labor work effort / hours.

The model is at my blog entry and there are links there to further, more detailed explanations.

[communard71]

Permanent international revolution is essential and seems a daunting task. A Trotskyist understands that to be successful, an organized campaign across geopolitical regions is essential. How would such an event look in the world of 2010? I firmly believe it must include a serious and extended outreach to the global proletariat, a massive proportion of which currently reside in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, and Latin America. It is no longer viable to rely on the industrial proletariat in Western Europe and the United States since those numbers have dropped significantly in the last 40 years, which is exactly what the Capitalist class planned and executed after the late 60s and early 70s. As Pavlovs House Party correctly stated, the revolution would have to precede the breakup of national boundaries, and that would be a bloody, terrible affair. :trotski:

[genstrike]

Better stock up on ice axes...

But seriously, this bit about tearing down trade restrictions and borders now will in practicality amount to a fuckton of neoliberal imperialist globalization and increases exploitation of the third world.