Question about the progressive nature of Capitalism and the transition to Socialism.

[Broletariat]

Stop me if I'm wrong but Capitalism is progressive to Feudalism and is necessary to socialise the labour process and make-way for Communism correct? Labour needed to be socialised because we'd have socialised ownership.

So my question is, since Communism is inherently internationalist do we also need to wait (I use this word loosely) for Capitalism to reconcile the contradictory nature of nation-states and a global market? Or is that the job of Socialism?

[Revolution starts with U]

History is playing out for that to be the various nations practicing socialism-ishness. I have some major problems with the World Bank, the UN, the WHO, etc. But, they provide some very efficient tools for the people to sieze control of.

[Broletariat]

History is playing out for that to be the various nations practicing socialism-ishness. I have some major problems with the World Bank, the UN, the WHO, etc. But, they provide some very efficient tools for the people to sieze control of.

So you're saying that we have embryonic structures of world unity in place, they just need to be better developed? So I guess the role of Socialism IS to globalise the world properly, as more socialist nations spring up they'll connect and go all internationalism and good stuff ehh?

[Revolution starts with U]

It's not that they just will. It is just that as personal consciousness grows (i.e. democracy/socialism), internationalism will grow with it. If we can continue to fight hegemony (a fight I fear we have been slightly losing for 10 or 20 years, but I'm young so I could be wrong), we will continue to progress towards communism.

[Red Commissar]

I'd be careful taking that line of interpretation. While capitalism was a "progressive" step, the same could also be said about historical progression in general.

It doesn't mean we just sit by and let capitalism do its thing. What it means is that capitalism by nature of the social relations it introduces and constantly changes, creates a mentality among workers to see the the flaws in the system that wasn't possible under previous orders.

A country shouldn't sell itself out to capitalism in order to "develop" itself before socialism nowadays. In this day and age everyone is affected by capitalism. The problem that comes in is how to industrialize, which capitalism spurred on.