Lithuania's as they see master race

[Arlekino]

Hello Comrades
Is article in Guardian about how Baltic States try to rewrite history and glory to the nazis era, There is such big workers struggles, no social reforms please read.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/14/double-genocide-lithuania-holocaust-communism#start-of-comments

[Obs]

I love how "Gulag" has come to just mean any repression in the USSR at any point in history whatsoever.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-PPPJqJj8g

[Volcanicity]

Lithuania should be kicked out of the EU until its learned how to respect others.

[Arlekino]

Well EU as well right wing capitalist. When I had conversation with young students about history of Lithuania seems for them Hitler is not that bad person for them.

[Volcanicity]

Well EU as well right wing capitalist. When I had conversation with young students about history of Lithuania seems for them Hitler is not that bad person for them.
Yes alot of Lithuanians collaborated with the Nazis during world war 2 in repressing the Polish,it seems their stupidity has been passed down to the younger generation.

[Kiev Communard]

Yes alot of Lithuanians collaborated with the Nazis during world war 2 in repressing the Polish,it seems their stupidity has been passed down to the younger generation.

Actually it was the Lithuanian Activist Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Activist_Front) that staged the so-called "June Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Uprising_in_Lithuania)" during the first phase of Barbarossa Operation, allowing the Wehrmacht to occupy the territory of Lithuania and push for Polotsk and Smolensk without substantial casualties, as Soviet units were caught off guard by the insurgency in the rear.

Also see these sources for more information: http://books.google.com/books?id=A4FlatJCro4C&pg=PA163&source=gbs_search_s&sig=ACfU3U2tRh2HYmZaGO8HdfCPMLJPQlsecg#v=onepage&q&f=false - The detailed account of LAF collaborationism and genocidal activities.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10435 - An article on the current government's support for pro-Nazi version of WW II history.

[Arlekino]

Waving with flags screaming freedom of Lithuania when everybody leaving such glory country I wonder how Lithuania we will see in future probably empty and flags still waving.
As myself I try to talk with Lithuania try to encourage in workers struggle seems impossible.

[Sam_b]

I'm not particularly surprised with regards to the Baltic states. Anyone remember the Estonian 'Bronze Soldier' of a few years ago?

[NecroCommie]

Yes I do. Russia sure showed them afterwards though. The attack against the estonian state's web-sites and information infrastructure was said to be a russian retaliation for the bronze soldier.

[rednordman]

I'm not particularly surprised with regards to the Baltic states. Anyone remember the Estonian 'Bronze Soldier' of a few years ago?Yep i do, but I have also heard that it sparked outrage from alot of citizens too. Also, Russia Today showed footage of it getting removed and there was indeed a mass protest. Mind you is there anychance im getting confused with a similar incident in Latvia? (im not that sure). But I do remember that there was also opposition and not complete national support for its removal.

[Sankara1983]

Russians in Estonia and Latvia are already disfranchised by citizenship laws reinstated by the ultra-nationalist parties that took power after 1991, so it doesn't surprise me that ethnic Lithuanians might try to move in that direction.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Russians in Estonia and Latvia are already disfranchised by citizenship laws reinstated by the ultra-nationalist parties that took power after 1991, so it doesn't surprise me that ethnic Lithuanians might try to move in that direction.

I don't see them moving in the direction of disenfranchising ethnic Russians, because Lithuania is already very homogeneous as it is. The Lithuanians have a strong majority, and there are even more ethnic Poles than ethnic Russians.

Latvia and Estonia, on the other hand, have huge Russian minorities -- in fact, there are slightly more ethnic Russians than ethnic Latvians in Riga, the Latvian capital -- so it was a move deliberately designed to keep power in the hands of the nationalist and rightist establishment in those two states.

[Red Commissar]

This anti-communist sentiment ties into their nationalist sentiments which sees the Soviet Union as an expression of Russian hegemony.

The governments of Baltic states with some other eastern states have been stepping up the ante on things they claimed were crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Soviet Union. Poland and Katyn, Ukraine and "Holodomor", and so on.

Of course its convenient to continue blaming all your state's ills on the actions of the Soviet Union and continue driving that point home to overwhelm the people with patriotic sentiment, rather than actually solving their problems.

[Sankara1983]

I don't see them moving in the direction of disenfranchising ethnic Russians, because Lithuania is already very homogeneous as it is. The Lithuanians have a strong majority, and there are even more ethnic Poles than ethnic Russians.


I should have been clearer. What I meant was Lithuania is moving more in a nationalist, xenophobic direction, not the specific citizenship policy.

[bie]

Lithuania should be kicked out of the EU until its learned how to respect others.
EU is rather watching carefully the progress (and the failure) of their project of enforcing the Resolution 1481 (http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc05/EDOC10765.htm)http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc05/EDOC10765.htm of Council of Europe. Of course, there are the same powers in charge of EU now, that in Germany in 1930s - the big, industrial German capital.

[Obzervi]

There have been many holocausts throughout history, with the Native American and African-American ones being among the most notable. No single group has a monopoly on genocide.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

There have been many holocausts throughout history, with the Native American and African-American ones being among the most notable. No single group has a monopoly on genocide.

Right, there aren't monopolies on it, as far as I'm aware.

And?

[Obzervi]

Right, there aren't monopolies on it, as far as I'm aware.

And?

We need to view everything in context.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

We need to view everything in context.

You mean... let's not make threads about political manipulation of history in certain areas of eastern Europe because that focuses too much on the Holocaust?

Because that's what this thread was about.