WTF is with Guy Fawkes?

[thriller]

I searched the web forums and couldn't find a thread like this, if I missed it, sorry, didn't mean to duplicate. Anyhoot...

I've noticed in a lot of Black bloc/Anarchist rallies, people like to wear the Guy Fawkes mask from V for Vendetta. Question is, why?

First off, if it's because the movie is kewl, well, you are just advertising the product and not getting paid for it, so you're kind of a tool. Secondly, Guy Fawkes wanted to blow up parliament in order to establish a Catholic Monarchy, which is by no means anarchist or pro-worker. So whats up with the masks yo?

(And no I didn't Wikipedia Guy Fawkes, actually I had to write an essay on him.)

[Nolan]

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[HEAD ICE]

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[Zanthorus]

Because the guy in V for Vendetta was an anarchist, maybe?

[Agnapostate]

It's more of an Anon fad than anything specifically anarchist, though there are cultural overlaps these days.

[ZeroNowhere]

Because the guy in V for Vendetta was an anarchist, maybe?I assumed that that was the movie referred to in the OP?

But yeah, that seems to be more or less it. I doubt that most of these people would know who Fawkes is other than the guy who tried to blow up parliament. They would be more familiar with his modern use as a symbol, in which case it may be seen as appropriate.

[Zanthorus]

I assumed that that was the movie referred to in the OP?

Originally it was a comic book by Alan Moore. It was turned into a film, but they stripped out all the references to anarchism. Moore himself actually disowned the film, saying that it had become an impotent American liberal fantasy about a liberal hero facing down neo-conservatives, rather than what it was supposed to be, a story about fascism, anarchism and England.

[Os Cangaceiros]

It's more of an Anon fad

That in and of itself is reason enough to completely shun it.

[Widerstand]

Originally it was a comic book by Alan Moore. It was turned into a film, but they stripped out all the references to anarchism. Moore himself actually disowned the film, saying that it had become an impotent American liberal fantasy about a liberal hero facing down neo-conservatives, rather than what it was supposed to be, a story about fascism, anarchism and England.

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[Invincible Summer]

First off, if it's because the movie is kewl, well, you are just advertising the product and not getting paid for it, so you're kind of a tool.
Wouldn't you be more of a tool to advertise a movie that's like 6 years old and hope to get paid for it?

Besides, it was an awesome graphic novel about anarchism way before it was a shitty hollywood remake.



Secondly, Guy Fawkes wanted to blow up parliament in order to establish a Catholic Monarchy, which is by no means anarchist or pro-worker. So whats up with the masks yo?
Well, I'm pretty sure most people wear the masks in reference to V for Vendetta and not actually Guy Fawkes.

I'm not sure why Guy Fawkes was the mask V chose though. Perhaps just as a symbol of resistance against a perceived tyranny.

[ZeroNowhere]

Originally it was a comic book by Alan Moore. It was turned into a film, but they stripped out all the references to anarchism. Moore himself actually disowned the film, saying that it had become an impotent American liberal fantasy about a liberal hero facing down neo-conservatives, rather than what it was supposed to be, a story about fascism, anarchism and England.
Yeah, I've heard such. As far as I recall, though, the adoption of the mask mostly gained popularity with the movie?

[Tablo]

Guy Fawkes was a Catholic who conspired with other Catholics to kill the protestant king and replace him with his Catholic daughter. So I personally think the masks are stupid as can be. Besides, the guy in V for Vendetta was an insurrectionist anarchist that used propaganda of the deed to bring about government overthrow. I doubt those are the kind of politics most anarchists would want to subscribe to.

[Invincible Summer]

Besides, the guy in V for Vendetta was an insurrectionist anarchist that used propaganda of the deed to bring about government overthrow. I doubt those are the kind of politics most anarchists would want to subscribe to.

Yeah, but it's definitely cathartic. I also think that the message is that revolutionaries are not individuals, but basically inside of every person. While V did use PotD, I think that given the level of repression found in the setting, it was possibly one of the few avenues he had to get people's attention.

I think that in more repressive societies where it is difficult to organize due to the power of the state, you will find more violent uprisings and guerilla-like tactics than in "liberal democracies" where organization and resistance is tolerated to a very small degree.

[Tablo]

Yeah, but it's definitely cathartic.
Well, I did feel real good when parliament exploded. :lol:

[Tablo]

Yeah, but it's definitely cathartic. I also think that the message is that revolutionaries are not individuals, but basically inside of every person. While V did use PotD, I think that given the level of repression found in the setting, it was possibly one of the few avenues he had to get people's attention.

I think that in more repressive societies where it is difficult to organize due to the power of the state, you will find more violent uprisings and guerilla-like tactics than in "liberal democracies" where organization and resistance is tolerated to a very small degree.
True. I know potd was used to some small degree of success in pre-soviet Russia.

[AK]

Answer to all your questions, OP.
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