racism

[ddof5]

why do you people seem to think that black people cannot be racist.

example, ive heard keith olbermann criticize the tea party for being "too white."
but ive never found anyone ever criticize organizations such as the congressional black caucus for only allowing black members to join.

Do you guys think that There can be black only clubs/organizations but not white only clubs. Would you criticize an organization called the congressional white caucus?

[BuddhaInBabylon]

i think you need to ponder on this one for ahwile and reconsider your position.

[#FF0000]

why do you people seem to think that black people cannot be racist.

example, ive heard keith olbermann criticize the tea party for being "too white."
but ive never found anyone ever criticize organizations such as the congressional black caucus for only allowing black members to join.

Do you guys think that There can be black only clubs/organizations but not white only clubs. Would you criticize an organization called the congressional white caucus?

Racism is racial bigotry backed up by social, economic, or political power. Black people in America are a marginalized minority in a predominantly white society, in which certain white people have a lot of social, economic, and political power.

So, yeah, black people can't be racist. Can they have individual racial bigotries? Absolutely and no one will really deny that.

[ddof5]

my position is that everyone should be equal. If black people can have black only clubs, then whites should have white only clubs.

why should i reconsider my opinion?

the best mod- what are you talking about? black people are not being oppressed anymore, they even have affirmative action to help them succeed. and what do you mean black people cant be racist? Don't forget that black people are still quite racist in african countries where they are the majoprity and the government is mostly blacks.

[#FF0000]

my position is that everyone should be equal. If black people can have black only clubs, then whites should have white only clubs.

why should i reconsider my opinion?

Because "white" and "Black" are totally different things. Having associations for people with Irish, Italian, English, French heritage or whatever is one thing.

For black Americans, this isn't really an option, because it's extremely difficult to trace one's heritage back to a specific group in Africa, and even if one did so, that culture is completely disconnected from the culture black Americans were steeped in when they came here. When Irish, Italian, German immigrants came to America, they brought some of their old culture and heritage. Most of the time when people of African descent were brought here, they were forced to accept Christianity and white culture.

So, there you go.

[#FF0000]

the best mod- what are you talking about? black people are not being oppressed anymore, they even have affirmative action to help them succeed. and what do you mean black people cant be racist?

This is incorrect. For example, a recent study showed that if a job applicant had a name that was commonly associated with being black (I think the example in the study was "Tyrone"), they were far less likely to get a call back from an employer over an applicant with a very typical European name. Another example is how drug laws are enforced. By every metric, drug use among white and black people are roughly the same, but because of the way enforcement is targeted, black people are far, far, far more likely to get put in jail on drug charges.

The idea that racism against blacks doesn't happen anymore is a myth.


Don't forget that black people are still quite racist in african countries where they are the majoprity and the government is mostly blacks.

That has nothing to do with Black Americans and Europeans.

[ddof5]

i dont care what happend to them with africa. im asking why it is acceptable for blacks to be racist towards white.

and no racism is not backed up by social, economic, or culture powers. it is backed up by hate. in fact if the whites did have so much power and were racist, wouldnt they just shut the cbc down? wouldnt they just outlaw the word cracker and honkey?

i know you liberals like to think that every problem of black people or other minority is because of mean ol' whitey. but thats simply not true. The reason black people live in oor areas is because of their culture. many black people who try to succeed in life, talk intelligently, and work hard are ridiculed by their peers for acting "white"

seriously if black people want to be successful then they have to change their culture to something that admires hard work and learning, kind of like asians.

[anticap]

racism is not backed up by social, economic, or culture powers. it is backed up by hate.

Hate, without power to back it up, is impotent.


i know you liberals....

The only liberals you'll find here will be restricted to OI, like you'll soon be.

[ddof5]

Hate, without power to back it up, is impotent.

when i say racism i do not mean oppression or segregation or that type. i mean individual blacks being discriminatory towards white people for being white (such as creating a group exclusive to blacks.)

The original question was why cant whites create organizations exclusive to whites.

I have 2 questions for you guys.

1. Are you against the cbc, would you allow them to be exclusive to african americans?

2. if an organization was formed called the congressional white caucus, would you criticize it and label it as racist and discriminatory?

[#FF0000]

i dont care what happend to them with africa. im asking why it is acceptable for blacks to be racist towards white.

I don't think personal racial biases are acceptable. I think you're confusing criticism of "White Privilege" for racism, though.


and no racism is not backed up by social, economic, or culture powers. it is backed up by hate.

No. Racism in this context is not synonymous with "racial bigotry". Racism in this context is institutional racism, which is the really damaging sort, I think. Perhaps others here might have a different opinion but some old fool going on about "those people" might hurt feelings, but that's nothing compared to redlining and police profiling.


in fact if the whites did have so much power and were racist, wouldnt they just shut the cbc down? wouldnt they just outlaw the word cracker and honkey?

Because we don't live in a society where people believe in white nationalism, and think they are being as pluralistic as possible.

Besides, overt racism just doesn't fly anymore. Now, racists resort to "othering". For an example of this, look at how Muslims and Hispanics are viewed in parts of America. Being "Muslim" (i.e. Middle Eastern or South Asian) isn't seen as "American". Same with being Hispanic, in some parts.


i know you liberals like to think that every problem of black people or other minority is because of mean ol' whitey. but thats simply not true. The reason black people live in oor areas is because of their culture. many black people who try to succeed in life, talk intelligently, and work hard are ridiculed by their peers for acting "white"

1) We aren't liberals
2) To a reasonable person, the fact that African Americans were overtly forced into poor conditions all the way up to redlining probably has more to do with why African Americans are generally poorer than European Americans today. Just a thought. I mean, there were also those studies I mentioned that suggest there is a ton of discrimination towards African Americans in the workplace and with cops....


seriously if black people want to be successful then they have to change their culture to something that admires hard work and learning, kind of like asians.

And you don't think the conditions African Americans were commonly driven into has something to do with this "culture"?

[#FF0000]

Hate, without power to back it up, is impotent.

Exactly this

[ddof5]

if your saying the reason that african americans are poor is because of white people, then how come the majority of jews arent poor.

You do realize that the jews are the most hated race in the world, wherever they go, they suffer. They have been kicked out of europe a lot, and had an attempted genocide against them just 70 years ago. By your argument, jews should also be poor, but for some reason, every jew i have ever met has held some white collar job. they make up about .2% of the world's population yet have around 1/5 of all nobel prizes.

Can you please explain why even though the jews have also suffered a lot throughout history, they are very successful?

[anticap]

why cant whites create organizations exclusive to whites.

They can: they're called "gated communities."

[ddof5]

They can: they're called "gated communities."

can you please give a legitimate argument, as i am trying to have a legitimate debate.

[communard71]

ddo5, stop being intentionally provocative, just because it’s OI doesn’t mean your arguments should be bereft of any intellectual integrity. To “not care what happened to them in Africa” is missing the point. Whether you have any empathy for the maltreatment of millions of fellow human beings over several centuries through the slave trade isn’t at issue (although it really should be), what’s important for this discussion is realizing that the event did happen and to analyze how it affected every aspect of social, cultural and economic interaction between groups of people right up to the present.
Now, if you’re actually concerned with understanding the world and yourself at all, you would try and examine where your hostility towards minorities comes from. You seem to need to think that “black people” blame “ol’ whitey” and you need to believe that they’re blaming the wrong people. Perhaps you grew up in a home where racism was overtly or covertly a normative behavior, especially by your parents. Perhaps you simply haven’t interacted with very many minorities or perhaps you’ve never read a book. Whatever your personal issue is, racism is exceptionally active in the world and leftists need to fully understand its origins and the effective means of combating it in an effort to further the position of the proletariat in general. As to the weird reverse compliment of “Asians” hard work ethic (which Asians? Chinese, Indonesians? Vietnamese?), that’s just strange bro.:(

[anticap]

can you please give a legitimate argument, as i am trying to have a legitimate debate.

Oh, I'm quite serious.

[ddof5]

Oh, I'm quite serious.

if a black person wanted to purchase a house in a gated community, I doubt anyone will stop them. no outsiders are allowed in gated communities, whether they be black, white, brown, yellow, or green.

[#FF0000]

if your saying the reason that african americans are poor is because of white people, then how come the majority of jews arent poor.

You do realize that the jews are the most hated race in the world, wherever they go, they suffer. They have been kicked out of europe a lot, and had an attempted genocide against them just 70 years ago. By your argument, jews should also be poor, but for some reason, every jew i have ever met has held some white collar job. they make up about .2% of the world's population yet have around 1/5 of all nobel prizes.

Can you please explain why even though the jews have also suffered a lot throughout history, they are very successful?

White skin, basically. A lot of jews change their last names, too. Meanwhile black people can't change their skin.

Also, the stereotypes are very different. African Americans were stereotypically seen as being of low intelligence and violent/"uncivilized". On the other hand, Jews were seen as "greedy". There's sort of a difference there.

The same goes for other ethnicities as well. Racists like to set up tiers for races for some reason, and black people are consistently on the bottom, with east asians being seen as "better", for some dumb reason, and Jews being seen as evil because they're super rich comic book super villains in the mind of racists, for some reason.

Also, there were/are a lot of very poor Jews, despite some being well-off.

[anticap]

if a black person wanted to purchase a house in a gated community, I doubt anyone will stop them.

The seller would.

[ddof5]

ddo5, stop being intentionally provocative, just because it’s OI doesn’t mean your arguments should be bereft of any intellectual integrity. To “not care what happened to them in Africa” is missing the point. Whether you have any empathy for the maltreatment of millions of fellow human beings over several centuries through the slave trade isn’t at issue (although it really should be), what’s important for this discussion is realizing that the event did happen and to analyze how it affected every aspect of social, cultural and economic interaction between groups of people right up to the present.
Now, if you’re actually concerned with understanding the world and yourself at all, you would try and examine where your hostility towards minorities comes from. You seem to need to think that “black people” blame “ol’ whitey” and you need to believe that they’re blaming the wrong people. Perhaps you grew up in a home where racism was overtly or covertly a normative behavior, especially by your parents. Perhaps you simply haven’t interacted with very many minorities or perhaps you’ve never read a book. Whatever your personal issue is, racism is exceptionally active in the world and leftists need to fully understand its origins and the effective means of combating it in an effort to further the position of the proletariat in general. As to the weird reverse compliment of “Asians” hard work ethic (which Asians? Chinese, Indonesians? Vietnamese?), that’s just strange bro.:(


first of all, i dont know what OI means.

second im not white.

[#FF0000]

if a black person wanted to purchase a house in a gated community, I doubt anyone will stop them. no outsiders are allowed in gated communities, whether they be black, white, brown, yellow, or green.

Wrong. Black GI's who were trying to get nice homes in the suburbs after World War 2 with the GI Bill were flat out refused on basis of skin color. And up until the 1970's, a thing called "redlining" made it so having black people in a neighborhood, for some reason, tanked property values.

And even today, there are a ton of examples of it. I remember not long ago in Florida, I believe, a black family tried to purchase a home in a gated community, and the rest of the (white) residents banded together to stop it. And it worked. The black family was unable to purchase the house.

[anticap]

i dont know what OI means.

OI = Opposing Ideologies. It's the sub-forum that you somehow knew you better post in.

[#FF0000]

second im not white.

I'm sure you'll be happy to know, then, that you can indeed be racist.

[ddof5]

White skin, basically. A lot of jews change their last names, too. Meanwhile black people can't change their skin.

Also, the stereotypes are very different. African Americans were stereotypically seen as being of low intelligence and violent/"uncivilized". On the other hand, Jews were seen as "greedy". There's sort of a difference there.

The same goes for other ethnicities as well. Racists like to set up tiers for races for some reason, and black people are consistently on the bottom, with east asians being seen as "better", for some dumb reason, and Jews being seen as evil because they're super rich comic book super villains in the mind of racists, for some reason.

Also, there were/are a lot of very poor Jews, despite some being well-off.


i can easily itell if someone is a jew by looking at them, unless they are a convert (and there arent that many converts since proselytizing is illegal in judaism). and if you say its because they are stereotyped as "greedy", then how come they suffered a lot worse throughout history than blacks? (and i know you cant deny that)

[Axle]

second im not white.

I find that very hard to believe. Everything you've posted so far is typical ignorant white person "How come they get special treatment?" whining.

[#FF0000]

i can easily itell if someone is a jew by looking at them, unless they are a convert (and there arent that many converts since proselytizing is illegal in judaism).

There are Ethiopian Jews that trace their heritage back to the tribes European Jews do. And, as I understand it, proselytizing was acceptable at certain points in Jewish history.

But yeah, no, you can't always tell a Jew by looking at them. You can't even tell an African American from looking at someone, sometimes. Example, my friend Steve, who is Colombian and Irish, and has dark skin, leading everyone to believe he is black.


and if you say its because they are stereotyped as "greedy", then how come they suffered a lot worse throughout history than blacks? (and i know you cant deny that)

I'm really not the sort of person who's going to play a numbers game and judge how "bad" an atrocity was by their body count. But Africans and African Americans have suffered incredibly at the hands of Europeans. Slavery, institutional racism and the lingering remnants for ~200 years in America, Western Imperialism in Africa, the Congo, countless genocides...etc.

And the jews faced some of the same things. I'm not going to say one was worse than the other. They were different. Africans faced some extremely, extremely brutal things, just as Jews faced the Holocaust and pogroms.

[Che a chara]

As mentioned, individual racism can and does exist, but organisations like the CBC want to help the marginalised black community achieve greater equality that is often denied due to discrimination in employment, housing and politics. Without black pressure groups, they'd be further alienation and division within that community as racial prejudice is still widespread in society.

Black people are more likely to be offered a lower standard of accommodation compared to white people, which can lead to a higher chance of social inequality, which may manifest itself into education.

In high ranking economic and social decision positions, is racial discrimination more common against white or black ?

[AK]

why do you people seem to think that black people cannot be racist.

example, ive heard keith olbermann criticize the tea party for being "too white."
but ive never found anyone ever criticize organizations such as the congressional black caucus for only allowing black members to join.

Do you guys think that There can be black only clubs/organizations but not white only clubs. Would you criticize an organization called the congressional white caucus?
Black people can have individual bigotries and racist attitudes, but they lack the means for their bigotries to materialise (i.e. they cannot economically or politically oppress other "races").

I believe this point was well made by Kayser SoSo in a thread about sexism...

I'm not going to get deep into the debate here, but I would suggest that reverse sexism is kind of like reverse racism. Yes, racism is wrong regardless of who adheres to it, but racism without power is impotent. There may be a lot of non-white people in the US who harbor negative feelings against white folks, but the power is in the hands of white people, and thus it rarely harms anyone. But racist feelings in the minds who hold power over people's lives, for example, an HR manager, a loan officer, a police officer, etc., is a LOT more dangerous to society. This is what Tim Wise says and I repeat this argument any time I see some right-wing dork whining about why this or that group doesn't say anything about the NBPP or Nation of Islam or whatever. The fact is that these groups may be racist, and yes that is a problem, but they have absolutely no power. Not the NBPP, not NOI, not the Black Israelites. The problem is white supremacy, which in fact led to the creation of such groups in the first place.

Sexism is the same way. There may be some feminists out there who hate men, but what are they going to do about it? Patriarchy creates those feminists, and the patriarchy has all the power.

[Conquer or Die]

why do you people seem to think that black people cannot be racist.

Black people can be racist, even against blacks.


example, ive heard keith olbermann criticize the tea party for being "too white."
but ive never found anyone ever criticize organizations such as the congressional black caucus for only allowing black members to join.

The black caucus is for black people to achieve equal status in the law. The Tea Party movement bills itself as a universal movement that is almost exclusively white.


Do you guys think that There can be black only clubs/organizations but not white only clubs. Would you criticize an organization called the congressional white caucus?

If the white caucus sought empowerment for a race undermined by the law in order to achieve equality then I wouldn't. White clubs historically have been about exclusion, not inclusion. The Nation of Islam is the only example I can think about that is black exclusionary. Nobody on these forums supports the Nation, and no moral people do either.

For the record, minority clubs are almost always legally bound to admit people of all races. Most of the time they encourage it.

[Dean]

when i say racism i do not mean oppression or segregation or that type.
Then you're discussing a rhetorical fact that means shit to the real world. Go play your games with the other kids - we care about real world systems here.


The original question was why cant whites create organizations exclusive to whites.

I have 2 questions for you guys.

1. Are you against the cbc, would you allow them to be exclusive to african americans?
The CBS represents the capitalist government. Why would you expect us to support them?


2. if an organization was formed called the congressional white caucus, would you criticize it and label it as racist and discriminatory?
Yes, because it would seek to represent and expand the interests of the privileged ethnic group which already primarily manages the US gov't.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

"i know you liberals like to think that every problem of black people or other minority is because of mean ol' whitey. but thats simply not true. The reason black people live in oor areas is because of their culture. many black people who try to succeed in life, talk intelligently, and work hard are ridiculed by their peers for acting "white"

seriously if black people want to be successful then they have to change their culture to something that admires hard work and learning, kind of like asians.



Is this guy for real? First hes whining about racism, then he calls us here for Liberals and after that he gives a totally neoliberal explination on black peoples situation in the US na shows his own highly racist attitude and stereotypes.

[Che a chara]

I find that very hard to believe. Everything you've posted so far is typical ignorant white person "How come they get special treatment?" whining.


Is this guy for real? First hes whining about racism, then he calls us here for Liberals and after that he gives a totally neoliberal explination on black peoples situation in the US na shows his own highly racist attitude and stereotypes.

There's little doubt in my mind that this is a white guy looking for some justification for his own prejudices.

By 'ddof5's language, you can tell he's been suckered in by the emerging neo-con's bullshitting and brainwashing propaganda, spearheaded by FOX 'news'.

And also for 'ddof5':

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_03.htm

[HEAD ICE]

I agree with the OP. Another point he didn't make is why can there be a Black Entertainment Television but not a White Entertainment Television? If there was a WET like a BET everybody would make a fuss about it. Why is that? Only the blind are unable to see this blatant example of racial oppression.

[Che a chara]

I agree with the OP. Another point he didn't make is why can there be a Black Entertainment Television but not a White Entertainment Television? If there was a WET like a BET everybody would make a fuss about it. Why is that? Only the blind are unable to see this blatant example of racial oppression.

Are you and the OP really offended by such ? I don't think society as a whole or in general are offended by this so called racism. Just like the many churches that are designated for that specific religion.

American heritage and racial identity has predominately been about white people and culture.

For sure, there is probably racial undertones in a few instances regarding these organisations, but as a whole, I don't think it would be regarded as racist. Just to preserve or create an identity that has been marred by discrimination in the past.

[#FF0000]

I agree with the OP. Another point he didn't make is why can there be a Black Entertainment Television but not a White Entertainment Television? If there was a WET like a BET everybody would make a fuss about it. Why is that? Only the blind are unable to see this blatant example of racial oppression.

Everything else on TV is White Entertainment Television, you silly guy.

[HEAD ICE]

Are you and the OP really offended by such ? I don't think society as a whole or in general are offended by this so called racism. Just like the many churches that are designated for that specific religion.

American heritage and racial identity has predominately been about white people and culture.

For sure, there is probably racial undertones in a few instances regarding these organisations, but as a whole, I don't think it would be regarded as racist. Just to preserve or create an identity that has been marred by discrimination in the past.

This post is bourgeois.

[Che a chara]

This post is bourgeois.

Care to elaborate ?

Are you suggesting that these black organisations are deliberately promoting a racist agenda and inflicting deliberate bigotry and hate on whites ?

[HEAD ICE]

Care to elaborate ?

Are you suggesting that these black organisations are deliberately promoting a racist agenda and inflicting deliberate bigotry and hate on whites ?

I can count on one finger the amount of white rappers that were on 106 and Park's freestyle friday. Are you trying to tell ME this isn't deliberate racial bigotry??

and the dude was whyteout and he's wack

[Che a chara]

I can count on one finger the amount of white rappers that were on 106 and Park's freestyle friday. Are you trying to tell ME this isn't deliberate racial bigotry??

and the dude was whyteout and he's wack

Well it depends on how many white rappers applied to be on that freestyle. I'm not at all familiar with this event, so don't know the history of it. Has there been complaints of racial bigotry against it from white rappers or producers ?

Hip-hop has historically been used as a voice for discontent and agitation for dissatisfied black youths, therefore has more appeal to that community.

I did mention that there is some racial overtones in instances, and that should be addressed, but to say that these African-American organisations are overtly racist I think is taking things a bit far.

[#FF0000]

I am pretty sure Stagger Lee is joking.

[Jazzhands]

and no racism is not backed up by social, economic, or culture powers. it is backed up by hate. in fact if the whites did have so much power and were racist, wouldnt they just shut the cbc down? wouldnt they just outlaw the word cracker and honkey?


Have you ever heard of the Holocaust?

[Lt. Ferret]

the holocaust killed a lot of white people.

[RGacky3]

Historcal context, why is that so hard to understand?

[Occidentalrights]

This is incorrect. For example, a recent study showed that if a job applicant had a name that was commonly associated with being black (I think the example in the study was "Tyrone"), they were far less likely to get a call back from an employer over an applicant with a very typical European name. Another example is how drug laws are enforced. By every metric, drug use among white and black people are roughly the same, but because of the way enforcement is targeted, black people are far, far, far more likely to get put in jail on drug charges.

The idea that racism against blacks doesn't happen anymore is a myth.

This is a proof by example fallacy, one example of racism (not sourced) does not prove that institutional racism, nor even a "mood" of racism exists within a group of ethnicity.

Your thesis that black people can not be racist is a logical misnomer. Racism is, by definition, "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."

This definition stipulates no differentiation between "racism" of the individual and that of a collective group. It can not, by definition, be the sole province of a single ethnic group, as the european, chinese, african or indian individual or group can as easily be the discriminated against "other" as any other group.

[Trelane]

Yes, because it would seek to represent and expand the interests of the privileged ethnic group which already primarily manages the US gov't.
I don't think this is necessarily true. A group like that could take on a role similar to the White Panthers.

[Ekaitz Do Dragão]

So, I have a new question. Should whites in the Americas feel guilty for things that happened in the past?

[#FF0000]

So, I have a new question. Should whites in the Americas feel guilty for things that happened in the past?

Well guilt is sort of useless but they should be aware that racism isn't a thing of the past and white ethnocentrism exists in the United States to this day.

[RGacky3]

So, I have a new question. Should whites in the Americas feel guilty for things that happened in the past?

No, why should they? They did'nt do what happened in the past? Should spanish atheists feel guilty for the inquisition? Thats kind of dumb.

What whites should do is fight to get rid of systemic racism now.

[Lt. Ferret]

all i have is anecdotal evidence, but you guys are pretty faulty when you talk about just one over arching system, in which whites are on top and blackcs in the middle or bottom.

there are a myriad of systems in play at all times, you guys know this. we lived in columbus georgia for a while, in the ghetto. predominatly black, im white/hispanic and my wife is arab. we were the marginilized group. people tried to break into my house, they dumped garbage on my lawn, black males would sexually harass and try to touch my wife inappropriately. my dog became an inside dog after i watched two black youths kill another dog and drag it away to do god knows what.

my wife saw a cat get hit by a car, and moved iti out of the road. the neighbors all laughed at her and tried to make her feel bad about it. later, someone jammed a stick up its ass.

thats margianilization, thats a cultural ostracism. im glad we moved. the results might have been the same if we had moved to a predominately vietnamese neighborhood, or perhaps a polish neighborhood i nthe american northeast (my uncle doesnt look italian and he moved into an italian neighborhood, and was threatened with violence until he moved again about 6 months later)

in the over arching system that is basically so large it is an abstraction, it might be white on top black on bottom, but in realistic scenarios, its way more complicated than that.

[Lumpen Bourgeois]

I fail to understand how your experiences in the "ghetto" are an example of "cultural ostracism" or "racial oppression". I am a black individual who has also lived in an impoverished predominantly black neighborhood almost my whole life. I've also been robbed, had my house vandalized, car broken into, and been harassed by local gangs. Many of my neighbors, also black, can recount similar experiences(rape in one instance). Given this, it seems anybody, regardless of race, can be victimized in a ghetto, with its concomitant high crime rate and disorder. You haven't provided any evidence that you or your wife were targeted because of racial animus. However, even if you were to go on now and revise your anecdote telling us that these wretched negroes called you a cracker, howled "die whitey", or called your wife a "towel-headed whore" these individual acts of racial antipathy would be very different from the institutionalized discrimination that certain minority groups face.

[Lt. Ferret]

I fail to understand how your experiences in the "ghetto" are an example of "cultural ostracism" or "racial oppression". I am a black individual who has also lived in an impoverished predominantly black neighborhood almost my whole life. I've also been robbed, had my house vandalized, car broken into, and been harassed by local gangs. Many of my neighbors, also black, can recount similar experiences(rape in one instance). Given this, it seems anybody, regardless of race, can be victimized in a ghetto, with its concomitant high crime rate and disorder. You haven't provided any evidence that you or your wife were targeted because of racial animus. However, even if you were to go on now and revise your anecdote telling us that these wretched negroes called you a cracker, howled "die whitey", or called your wife a "towel-headed whore" these individual acts of racial antipathy would be very different from the institutionalized discrimination that certain minority groups face.


so its more of a case of the complete worthless cultural values of the underclass? :thumbup1: cool story bro.:thumbup1:

[Revolution starts with U]

And you think the values of many proles are what causes them to be proles, I imagine (as opposed to not, the opposite, or something else).
:thumbup1: Cool logic bro :thumbup1:

[Lt. Ferret]

their plight surely was not helped by sodomizing dead dogs?

[Revolution starts with U]

.. my brother is right behind me. He's much bigger than me, and will be here soon. Surely you would rather eat him.

[Revolution starts with U]

Btw, you are sure they didn't eat the dog?

[Lt. Ferret]

I'm not sure of anything in this whackadasical world.


oh yeah another anecdote, we were cleaning up the house before we moved out on the last day and some black girls walked by and called out "yeah clean that house you white *****"

so does it pass the racism test yet or is that still standardized becuase they were being oppressed at the time, walking along the street talking to each other?

[#FF0000]

did you even read this thread. honestly.

[Lt. Ferret]

yeah. and its relaly stupid and vague and has no practical application.

[Revolution starts with U]

Honestly, I am not trying to offend here. Nor am I saying that racism doesn't exist in all communities. Just want to see if we can't get a better view on what you view was oppression.
I must ask; do you have like confederate flags on your truck/house, or like "Bush/Cheney" or anything like that?
Was the girl 13?
If you were being oppressed for your race, that's terrible. Would you argue it is as bad as how blacks have it?

[#FF0000]

yeah.

i think you are lying because your answer to this:


so does it pass the racism test yet or is that still standardized becuase they were being oppressed at the time, walking along the street talking to each other?

is answered on the first page. two posts after the OP.


Racism is racial bigotry backed up by social, economic, or political power. Black people in America are a marginalized minority in a predominantly white society, in which certain white people have a lot of social, economic, and political power.

So, yeah, black people can't be racist. Can they have individual racial bigotries? Absolutely and no one will really deny that.


It's semantics though because you're talking about what I called racial bigotry here, which I don't really care all that much about because it really doesn't matter on an individual scale.

I mean it hurts individuals and it's wrong but it doesn't damage society as a whole like institutional racism or white privilege.


and its relaly stupid and vague and has no practical application.

why/why not

[Lt. Ferret]

because racism as applied ot one over-arching system is not practical, and can only be studied, understood, or counter-weights applied in the harshest ham fisted and ineffectual way.

the most bi-racial society i have lived in so far is oklahoma, where most people were inter-racial and lived together, my next door neighbors included. im in a bi-racial marriage.

it just happens naturally. people have problems with each other's cultural values (that generally weave in and out loosely amongst one or more ethnic groups) than they do about skin color.

racism now is less of "i hate that black guy in the car" to "i hate that black guy in the car's music becuase i can hear the bass inside my own house"

[#FF0000]

racism now is less of "i hate that black guy in the car" to "i hate that black guy in the car's music becuase i can hear the bass inside my own house"


Uh no it was always like that. People didn't hate black people just because they were black. They hated them because of racial stereotypes and nonsense like that. All that's changed are the excuses.

[Lt. Ferret]

well its true, i hate when ANY stupid asshole plays his bass too loud.

[RedKnight]

well its true, i hate when ANY stupid asshole plays his bass too loud.
Me too, and my neighbors are all white too.

[Lt. Ferret]

racist bougie yuppie :cool:

[Revolution starts with U]

Only bass and not highs?
Sounds like you just don't like rap, racist bougie yuppie's. ;)
I bet if you wouldn't mind as much if it was AC/DC or whatever your favority band is.

[Lt. Ferret]

my favorite band is the anarchist band Chumbawamba. i usually listen to crust punk and death metal and folk, the mid range is my favorable bias.


and i think theres a genre of indie rock called Twee now or something and its all treble and it makes me want to howl like a dog.

[Revolution starts with U]

My point was, I'm sure if I came down your road playing Chumbawamba, the idea of the "bass too loud" wouldn't be such an issue.

[Robert]

People didn't hate black people just because they were black. They hated them because of racial stereotypes and nonsense like that.

FWIW, the most virulent hatred of blacks in the south was always by lower class whites, or poor whites if you prefer. That was my observation anyway, and I got to see a lot up close. Poor whites, in a misplaced search for dignity, wanted to feel superior to somebody, anybody, just as they felt inferior to rich southern aristocrats. I think they have mostly caught on now that they have more in common with poor blacks than they do with rich whites.

Rich whites in the south never really "hated" blacks, not exactly. So long as they stayed on the other side of the tracks. :(

[Lt. Ferret]

My point was, I'm sure if I came down your road playing Chumbawamba, the idea of the "bass too loud" wouldn't be such an issue.


does it shake my walls and overwhelm my tv that im playing inside my own house with the door closed? does it wake me up at night? if so, yes, i would have a problem with it.

keep up your assumptions ill shoot em right back down.

[Revolution starts with U]

So rap just has to be loud, but Chumbawamba has to actually be tearing your house down and keeping you up at night?

[Lt. Ferret]

if youre trying to corner me youre doing a shit job. if whatever music youre listening to is disrupting my life, i will probably hate you. its easier to do with bass than it is to do with mid range or treble.

[Revolution starts with U]

Not at all. I'm saying it's no coincedence that you don't like bass too loud. Bass could be anything, but everyone assumes it's rap (I like to ride around listening to Ol' Timey music when I'm in my friend's car, people think we're bumpin NWA or something :laugh:). Mids/highs you can actually tell what people are listening to. And they cut your ears apart.