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mosfeld
13th September 2010, 19:55
US pushes $60bn Saudi arms deal
The largest ever US deal to sell advanced fighter jets to Saudi Arabia is expected to support at least 75,000 US jobs.

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/Images/2010/9/13/201091365254654580_20.jpg

The US government is charging ahead with a plan to sell $60bn worth of advanced aircraft and other sophisticated weapons systems to Saudi Arabia, in what is thought to be the largest US arms deal ever.

The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday that the US administration was also in talks with the Saudis about naval and missile-defence upgrades that could be worth tens of billions of dollars more.

Under the deal, the US is also to expand Saudi Arabia's ballistic-missile defences "to reduce the threat from Iranian rockets", US officials were reported to have said. They also said that it was unclear how much that package would be worth, but it could be similar to one in the United Arab Emirates.

The US administration sees the sale as part of a broader policy aimed at supporting "Arab allies against Iran", and is expected to notify the US congress about these plans in the upcoming weeks, the report said.

Gala Riani, a Middle East analyst at IHS Global Insight, told Al Jazeera that news of this deal was not surprising and something that was expected.

"At the heart of this, the US is seeking to build and strengthen its allies in the region. Perhaps it has something to do with the US economy, but the shared threat from Iran is definitely a motivating factor."

Question of use

While Saudi Arabia has the money to buy fighter jets and other hardware, some analysts say "it's one thing to buy the equipment, but it's another to use it efficiently".

Nevertheless, the US administration plans to frame the Saudi deal as a major job creator, supporting at least 75,000 jobs, according to company estimates.

This will come as a welcome boost to an employment market that is shedding thousands of jobs every month as Barack Obama, the US president, struggles with economic woes.

A recent US government study found that the "global economic recession significantly pushed down purchases of weapons last year to the lowest level since 2005", the New York Times reported on Monday.

The report, that was presented to the US congress over the weekend, concluded that the value of worldwide arms deals fell to $57.5bn in 2009, a drop of 8.5 per cent from 2008, while the US signed arms deals worth $22.6bn - a dominating 39 per cent of the worldwide market.

The study, focused particularly on weapons sales to the developing world, found that in 2009, Brazil was the top weapons buyer in the developing world, followed by Venezuela and then Saudi Arabia.

Biggest buyers

Over much of the past decade, Saudi Arabia, China, India and the United Arab Emirates have been among the largest weapons purchasers in this category.

Richard Grimmett, an international security specialist and author of the study, said that relationships between arms suppliers and buyers continued to evolve "in response to changing political, military and economic circumstances."

"Where before the principal motivation for arms sales by foreign suppliers might have been to support a foreign policy objective, today that motivation may be based as much on economic considerations."

While pro-Israel US politicians have in the past voiced concerns about arms sales to Saudi Arabia, Israel's fears were allayed because the fighter jets would not be equipped with the type of long-range systems that could threaten Israeli soil.

The Obama administration plans to notify congress that it will authorise the Saudis to buy as many as 84 new F-15 fighters, upgrade 70 more, and purchase three types of helicopters - 70 Apaches, 72 Black Hawks and 36 Little Birds - the report noted, citing unnamed officials.

The Israelis were expected to buy a more advanced fighter jet, the F-35, and should receive them around the same time the Saudis are expected to start getting the F-15s, the report said.

"We appreciate the administration's efforts to maintain Israel's qualitative military edge, and we expect to continue to discuss our concerns with the administration about the issues," Michael Oren, the Israeli ambassador to the US, said.

The Iran connection

The F-35 is designed to avoid detection by radar and could play a role in any Israeli effort to knock out what it regards as a threat posed by Iran's disputed nuclear programme.

"The Israeli government is not as vocal as would have been expected, due to their agreement with the US and also because this is aimed at Iran," Riani told Al Jazeera.

"The Iranians have been expecting developments like this to happen - we have seen them unveiling domestically manufactured weapons to show that they are keeping up militarily - but clearly they cannot."

Last month, Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, approved the purchase of 20 F-35 warplanes from the US, in a deal worth almost $3bn.

The Saudi deal, which would be stretched out over the next five to 10 years, is the top-line amount requested by the Saudis, even though they are expected to initially buy only about half that amount.

http://english.aljazeera.net//news/americas/2010/09/201091312118406560.html

RadioRaheem84
13th September 2010, 20:26
Job recovery = war profiteering.

Adi Shankara
13th September 2010, 20:40
Scary shit. the last thing we need to do is strengthen the fundamentalist hold over the Arabian peninsula.

mosfeld
13th September 2010, 21:59
Note, as I highlighted in the article, that this is thought to be the largest US arms deal ever.

Prometheus Unbound
13th September 2010, 23:45
"The Israeli government is not as vocal as would have been expected, due to their agreement with the US and also because this is aimed at Iran," Riani told Al Jazeera.
Another reason for this Al Saud's cozying up to the Zionists. Good puppets, they have been.

NGNM85
14th September 2010, 05:07
Excellent. After all, we clearly want a nation almost unrivalled in it's fanatical dedication to preindustrial religious dogma to have the latest in 21st century weaponry. What could go wrong?

Tablo
14th September 2010, 05:11
Excellent. After all, we clearly want a nation almost unrivalled in it's fanatical dedication to preindustrial religious dogma to have the latest in 21st century weaponry. What could go wrong?
http://www.inewscatcher.com/timages/72cef30d0c7a4f72598492ea93499e0e.jpg

Rusty Shackleford
14th September 2010, 05:15
much better than the same thread i posted minutes ago.

AK
14th September 2010, 08:08
much better than the same thread i posted minutes ago.
This one's got nukes ;)
Can someone merge?

TwoSevensClash
14th September 2010, 08:10
Excellent. After all, we clearly want a nation almost unrivalled in it's fanatical dedication to preindustrial religious dogma to have the latest in 21st century weaponry. What could go wrong?
I know a couple of religious crazies who are hoping for a major war in the middle east to bring about the return of Jesus and the rapture. I guess Obama is courting the born-again vote.

Rusty Shackleford
14th September 2010, 08:12
This one's got nukes ;)
Can someone merge?
merge is pointless this one has information readily visible. plus, it is from al jazeera. no worries.

Prometheus Unbound
14th September 2010, 21:56
Since this is very scarcely reported in the Western media and because it may be relevant to this discussion, I will mention the ongoing government crackdown on the opposition in Bahrain. The target of this crackdown is the shiite majority who, through election fraud and sectarian gerrymandering, hold a minority of the government's farcical parliament. It has always been assumed that the opposition will stir an uprising (as it did in the past) if or when the US government attacks Iran. This move by the government is probably motivated by other factors (such as the upcoming farcical elections), but that does not discount the possibility of it serving objectives of a grander scale: 1) ensuring the family's stability in its position of power in the event of a war and, 2) by predictably and by extension, serving US imperialism.

There are reasons behind this hypothesis of mine on which I will elaborate if anyone cares enough. Hint: the US embassy here in Bahrain has something to do with it.

Prometheus Unbound
14th September 2010, 22:19
Excellent. After all, we clearly want a nation almost unrivalled in it's fanatical dedication to preindustrial religious dogma to have the latest in 21st century weaponry. What could go wrong?
It would be inaccurate to say that Al Saud are a fanatical bunch. A number (how many, who knows) of them lead secular lives, as a matter of fact. You have to make a distinction between the Al Saud dictatorship and the religious order they preside over and whose function it is to sanctify their dictatorship. The junior position of the religious order has been cemented over the course of their love-hate relationship since Mohammed ibn Saud's alliance with Mohammed ibn Abdulwahab. The danger is that the Al Saud rule will be de-sanctified to dissidents in the religious establishment if Saudi Arabia, with the "Custodian of the two Holy Mosques" at its helm, finds itself fighting against another Muslim nation alongside the US and Israel; in short, that a faction of fanatics in the establishment cuts off the hand (always an appropriate metaphor when discussing Saudi Arabia) that feeds them and seize control of Saudi Arabia and its resources. To what extent this scenario is dangerous for the people of the Middle East is debatable and probably unpredictable; but it certainly is a danger in the minds of the imperialists in Washington.

DragonQuestWes
15th September 2010, 00:31
Half of this surprises me.

Seeing that Saudi Arabia is pretty much the most capitalist nation in the Middle East (other than the UAE), I wouldn't be at all surprised if they allied themselves with the US and Israel.

You know, this isn't the first time the US "fixed" the economy by going to war.

Obs
15th September 2010, 00:46
Note, as I highlighted in the article, that this is thought to be the largest US arms deal ever.
That we know of.

Nolan
15th September 2010, 01:11
I have a plan to boost the economy: Raze Iran to the ground, then rebuild it. That's what we did last time.