Social democratic propaganda

[Dimentio]

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This was basically from the most popular domestic children's comic in Sweden.

The first point goes to the ones who decipher the political message.

[Widerstand]

Google translate doesn't work on pictures =/ Is it saying that leftists are lazy bums?

[Dimentio]

On the contrary...

Tortoise: "Everybody who earns a little money pays some of it in taxes. That is also a sort of insurance."

Rabbit: "How?"

Tortoise: "With those money, we pay for hospitals, daycare centres, schools, pensions, children's benefits and all other things that which we all will need some day."

Wolf cub: "Dad says that they pay very little taxes in some countries"

Tortoise: "Yes, but there only the rich could afford good schools and hospitals."

Bear: "To pay taxes is a way to help."

:lol:

Wonder what reaction this would have generated in America.

[Widerstand]

lol. only in Socialist Sweden.

[Weezer]

Lol bamse

[scarletghoul]

swedish for taxes is skatt ?

[NecroCommie]

yes

Unfortunately the popularity of social democracy in finland is in great decline. I say unfortunately because it is being replaced by even greater evil, the idealism of american laissez faire capitalism. During the past decade or so, the finnish nationalists somehow came up with following logic:
- Swedish are gay
- Finns are true men
- Sweden is the bastion of modern social democracy
---> therefore true finnish men hate social democracy.

Flawless, wouldn't you say...

How is the popularity of social democracy in Sweden? Just curious.

[Dimentio]

Yes. Which is the same word as for "treasure".

Swedish is funny that the exact same word could have several different meanings depending on context.

Like the word "val".

It could mean both "election", "choice" and "whale", dependent on the context.

[scarletghoul]

:lol: whale

[Comrade Gwydion]

Skatt? Dutch for treasure is Schat, which I imagine is pronounced quite the same.
[/linguistics]

[Dimentio]

yes

Unfortunately the popularity of social democracy in finland is in great decline. I say unfortunately because it is being replaced by even greater evil, the idealism of american laissez faire capitalism. During the past decade or so, the finnish nationalists somehow came up with following logic:
- Swedish are gay
- Finns are true men
- Sweden is the bastion of modern social democracy
---> therefore true finnish men hate social democracy.

Flawless, wouldn't you say...

How is the popularity of social democracy in Sweden? Just curious.

Its a complete disaster. Reinfeldt's "social democracy for those who have work, fascism for those who hasn't" has driven wedges in the working class, and Swedish capitalism is more and more reminding of chattel slavery for those who are outside of the system. The social democrats are plagued by an inability to hold their base in larger towns, by an ineffectual party leader and by the fact that many social democratic voters detest their cooperation with the former communist party.

I know that true Finns from the wood hate everything Swedish. Its a manly thing to do. In the Hockey World Championship, Finland are happy as long as they are owning Sweden.

Its probably related to the fact that the entire Finnish upper class is composed of ethnic Swedes. In that sense, it is reminding of the English hatred for the French.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

Skatt? Dutch for treasure is Schat, which I imagine is pronounced quite the same.
[/linguistics]

True, our both languages are part of the germanic-family group. Its kind of intressting that written dutch is quite easy to understand for scandinavians.

About Sweden-Finlands relationship, yeah i kind of understand the heritage of the finns despite toward swedes, they where ruled by the swedish elite for almoust 700 years, then we didnt do specially much to help them during the winter war, no wonder they see us as sillyer.

[NecroCommie]

Please, during the winter war roughly a third of finns wanted the soviet union to win. In the continuation war these people were not even let into the army (and were murdered on an industrial scale), because the generals were afraid of an uprising.

The entire "Sweden did not help us in the winter war"-bitterness was made up in the 1980's.

The reason for "hating the swedes" has two elements.
1. The swedish minority is extremely priviledged. Everyone is required to know swedish simply because they ruled us 300 years ago. There is an entire party committed to retain those priviledges, and this language skill demanded by law blocks 2/3 of the population from any serious government job and ruins the school grades of those with not so good language capabilities. Actually, MY librarian education is threatened by my poor linguistic skills.

2. It is a nationalist idea. All nationalists of all nationalities hate all other nations.


True, our both languages are part of the germanic-family group. Its kind of intressting that written dutch is quite easy to understand for scandinavians.
The germanic languages are all very similar. They also include english and (surprise!) german. After learning german, english and swedish, russian seems to be from another planet or something.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

[QUOTE=NecroCommie;1862785]Please, during the winter war roughly a third of finns wanted the soviet union to win. In the continuation war these people were not even let into the army (and were murdered on an industrial scale), because the generals were afraid of an uprising.

The entire "Sweden did not help us in the winter war"-bitterness was made up in the 1980's.

Really?! Any source or further info, Im not challenging that this is how it was, i just havnt heard of it before, one third of the population supporting an invading force. And whats that about being made up in the 80s, sounds intressting.

[NecroCommie]

I was being a bit dramatic. The first statistics on the support of finnish communists is from the year 1945 (immediately after the continuation war). It was then that the communist party was legalized (as part of the finnish surrender to the soviet union). In the statistics of the below link the communist and socialist union is seen as VAS. (modern vasemmistoliitto (left union), but as it mentions it was SKDL before 1987.) SKDL (modern VAS.) scored 23,5 immediately after the war. SKDL was a union of communist and socialist organizations, but during those years it's support was practically the support for CP-Finland, which was extremely pro-soviet. There are no statistics, but I hear the CP-Finland had even more dramatic support during the war, and EVEN more dramatic support before the wars. So in fact the support for pro-soviet parties was not one third of the population as I said (without checking first), but one fourth which does not make my point any more invalid.

While reading the statistics, do also notice the support for the social democrats (SDP). While not pro-soviet, many of their supporters were seen as "the opposition" by the pseudo-fascist military government. Their parliamentary representatives were murdered during the war if they too openly challenged the war or it's methods. Also, during those times they were closer to reformist socialists than the social democrats of today.

http://www.stat.fi/tk/he/vaalit/vaalit2003/vaalit2003_vaalitilastot_aspuoluekannatus.html
The statistics are from the official statistics center of finland.

As to the Sweden did not help us in the war-mentality: It was very common knowledge that Sweden was one of the major (and one of the only) suppliers of the finnish army. Not only that, but their volunteers basically formed the entire Salla front in the continuation war! In the 80's however nationalism was popular again, and the nationalists came up with the idea that while Sweden helped, they did not help as much as they could because they are gay and therefore afraid of manly war against communism. You can take almost any finnish war-film and witness references to the swedish volunteers or material aid.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

Thanks for the links, intresting that VAS was the second largest in 45 and just about 2% frome SPD.

Iknew about that (was it 5000) volunteers went frome Sweden (some very few where nazis, but many more where different kinds of socialists, some of them came almoust straight frome the spanish civil war). On my fathers former job there was one guy that had been to Finland during the winter war, they said he was kind of odd.