Islamic Jihad Calls For Unity

[mosfeld]

Islamic Jihad Calls For Unity

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As Muslims around the world prepare to celebrate the Eid ul-Fitr Feast, the Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine issued a statement calling on the Palestinian people, and their factions, to use this occasion as step towards comprehensive unity among in order to boost their struggle and steadfastness.

The Islamic Jihad said that this feast is a great opportunity for ending all sorts of internal rifts and conflicts, and for restoring unity between all factions and segments of the society.

It said that unity is needed to counter the ongoing Israeli aggression and ongoing violations carried out by Israel against the Palestinian people, their lands and their holy sites.

The movement added that the Palestinians must be alert and aware of all attempts to keep them divided as such divisions only serve the interests of the Israeli occupation.

http://www.allvoices.com/s/event-6721712/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5pbWVtYy5vcmcvYXJ0aWNsZS81OTM4NQ==

[Komrad Adam]

Divided they will fall united they stand strong, just as the left.

[mosfeld]

Unity is crucial for liberation. Great call by Islamic Jihad. Long live the Palestinian resistance!

[freepalestine]

every group as been saying this.as for p.i.j. a local shootout with a DFLP militia a few weeks ago doesnt exactly help 'unity'.

[mosfeld]

every group as been saying this.as for p.i.j. a local shootout with a DFLP militia a few weeks ago doesnt exactly help 'unity'.

When did this happen and why?

[Crimson Commissar]

Unity is crucial for liberation. Great call by Islamic Jihad. Long live the Palestinian resistance!
Uhm, so you're saying socialist groups should unite with islamic fundamentalists? Are you fucking insane?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Uhm, so you're saying socialist groups should unite with islamic fundamentalists? Are you fucking insane?

No, he's saying like all socialist groups should unite as a strong resistance, all Palestinian people & factions should unite together as one strong resistance against the Israeli State.

[mosfeld]

Uhm, so you're saying socialist groups should unite with islamic fundamentalists? Are you fucking insane?

Oh my silly, naive hardcore anti-theist grasshopper. Here's some basic Marxism-Leninism for you.

1) Marxist-Leninists UNCONDITIONALLY and ALWAYS support imperialist defeat.
2) The principal contradiction in Palestine, and the middle east in general, is between national liberation and imperialism. National liberation brings us further towards communism, imperialism does not. As such, we support the national liberation of Palestine.
3) In the event of occupation and imperialist oppression, Marxist-Leninists strive for and support a united front against imperialism, where communist forces unite with anti-imperialist organizations for national liberation.

You get the gist I hope.

Your constant anguished moaning about those terribly scary "Islamic Fundamentalists" who you write about is getting so, so, so, so, so boring. In every single thread - you're there, talking about the same shit over and over, blah blah blah. Seriously, quit your yapping or talk about something real. Let's get the record straight -- during a war of national liberation, the dividing line is between anti-imperialists and the imperialists, not "Islamic fundamentalists" on one side, communists on another, imperialists somewhere else, etc..

[Crimson Commissar]

Oh my silly, naive hardcore anti-theist grasshopper. Here's some basic Marxism-Leninism for you.

1) Marxist-Leninists UNCONDITIONALLY and ALWAYS support imperialist defeat.
2) The principal contradiction in Palestine, and the middle east in general, is between national liberation and imperialism. National liberation brings us further towards communism, imperialism does not. As such, we support the national liberation of Palestine.
3) In the event of occupation and imperialist oppression, Marxist-Leninists strive for and support a united front against imperialism, where communist forces unite with anti-imperialist organizations for national liberation.

You get the gist I hope.
And this means I would have to support anti-imperialist groups who advocate a theocratic islamic state and would only oppress the people of Palestine even further? :/


Your constant anguished moaning about those terribly scary "Islamic Fundamentalists" who you write about is getting so, so, so, so, so boring. In every single thread - you're there, talking about the same shit over and over, blah blah blah. Seriously, quit your yapping or talk about something realAnd I'm getting a bit tired of everyone going on about islamophobia and generalising everyone who is anti-islam as being a racist prick.


Let's get the record straight -- during a war of national liberation, the dividing line is between anti-imperialists and the imperialists, not "Islamic fundamentalists" on one side, communists on another, imperialists somewhere else, etc..Why should we ally with those who are completely against the ideals of communism? Would you ally with a fascist or capitalist organisation simply because they oppose imperialism? I fully support anti-imperialist movements, but whats the fucking point of uniting with a group that supports something we COMPLETELY oppose, eg. capitalism, fascism, religious fundamentalism

[Omnia Sunt Communia]

Today they are calling for "unity" between all indigenous Palestinians against "imperialism"*.

Tomorrow they are hanging indigenous Palestinians who happen to be leftists, queers, sex workers, Christians, Jews, unorthodox Muslims, etc.

You don't have to be a "militant atheist" bigot to spit with disgust at the religious far-right's two-faced call for "unity".

*The Israelis are imperialists, no doubt, but does that make their enemies inherently enemies of imperialism?

[mosfeld]

And this means I would have to support anti-imperialist groups who advocate a theocratic islamic state and would only oppress the people of Palestine even further? :/ If the Palestinians choose Hamas as their resistance, then they have every right to do so. As communists we support the self-determination of Palestinians.

I wrote about the united front. The whole point of a united front is to temporarily ally with anti-imperialist forces regardless of their reactionary views and then later deal with them. Case in point would be the CCP's temporary alliance with the Kuomintang to defeat the Japanese imperialists. Or maybe just the PFLP allying with various Islamist factions in Palestine.


And I'm getting a bit tired of everyone going on about islamophobia and generalising everyone who is anti-islam as being a racist prick. I can't find any better words to describe you.


Why should we ally with those who are completely against the ideals of communism? Would you ally with a fascist or capitalist organisation simply because they oppose imperialism? I fully support anti-imperialist movements, but whats the fucking point of uniting with a group that supports something we COMPLETELY oppose, eg. capitalism, fascism, religious fundamentalism We wouldn't ally with those who are completely against our ideals. An example; Hamas are anti-imperialist and against the occupation. As such, the PFLP have militarily united with them.

You have absolutely no idea what a fascist is if you're labelling any faction of the Palestinian resistance "fascist". You're a disgusting apologist for the Israeli occupation, and you're not a Marxist-Leninist. What a misleading tendency you're sporting there.

[Crimson Commissar]

If the Palestinians choose Hamas as their resistance, then they have every right to do so. As communists we support the self-determination of Palestinians.
Oh, sure, and we should support the right of the western working class to continue to support capitalism, right? :rolleyes:


I wrote about the united front. The whole point of a united front is to temporarily ally with anti-imperialist forces regardless of their reactionary views and then later deal with them. Case in point would be the CCP's temporary alliance with the Kuomintang to defeat the Japanese imperialists. Or maybe just the PFLP allying with various Islamist factions in Palestine.
I can see how it would be potentially a good idea, but in this case the islamists greatly outnumber the communists. Yes, if we communists support the islamists Israel will be defeated a lot easier. But do you really think another theocratic regime is what Palestine needs? They will be kept under the brutal oppression of religious fundamentalism yet again, except this time they will be preaching islam rather than judaism.


I can't find any better words to describe you.
Since when is all opposition to Islam racist?


We wouldn't ally with those who are completely against our ideals. An example; Hamas are anti-imperialist and against the occupation. As such, the PFLP have militarily united with them.
Religious fundamentalism is completely against our ideals. Islamism, while it is often anti-imperialist, is still a reactionary ideology and should not be tolerated by the left.


You have absolutely no idea what a fascist is if you're labelling any faction of the Palestinian resistance "fascist".
I never said that the palestinian resistance was fascist. I was merely giving an example.


You're a disgusting apologist for the Israeli occupation, and you're not a Marxist-Leninist. What a misleading tendency you're sporting there
When have I ever expressed support for Israel? Both zionism and islamism are reactionary, theocratic ideologies. Just because the palestinian people are under imperialist oppression doesn't mean that justifies the support of an ideology which supports homophobia, sexism and wishes to murder anyone who does not follow the beliefs of islam.

[hardlinecommunist]

And this means I would have to support anti-imperialist groups who advocate a theocratic islamic state and would only oppress the people of Palestine even further? :/

And I'm getting a bit tired of everyone going on about islamophobia and generalising everyone who is anti-islam as being a racist prick.

Why should we ally with those who are completely against the ideals of communism? Would you ally with a fascist or capitalist organisation simply because they oppose imperialism? I fully support anti-imperialist movements, but whats the fucking point of uniting with a group that supports something we COMPLETELY oppose, eg. capitalism, fascism, religious fundamentalism Lenin Stalin Mao Zedong Kim IL Sung Kwame Nkrumah as well as countless other Revolutionary Marxist Leninists thinkers have all advocated alliances and united fronts with Religious Believers including Islamists. Lenin in particular was a great advocate of an worldwide anti- Imperialist Islamic Communist alliance and united front in his later years.

[Muzk]

Hands down, they might be some good allies, but one must never turn their back to them, we're going to oppress their religion afterwards anyways :D

[Omnia Sunt Communia]

If the Palestinians choose Hamas as their resistance, then they have every right to do so.

And individuals have every right not to support that particular form of "resistance".


As communists we support the self-determination of Palestinians.Which will not be achieved if they become slaves of the rightist national bourgeoisie.


The whole point of a united front is to temporarily ally with anti-imperialist forces regardless of their reactionary views and then later deal with them.History has proven this tactic to be disastrous.


Hamas are anti-imperialist and against the occupation.They oppose the imperialism and occupation of Zionist patriarchy in favor of the imperialism and occupation of Islamist patriarchy.


You have absolutely no idea what a fascist is if you're labelling any faction of the Palestinian resistance "fascist".http://threewayfight.blogspot.com/2007/10/when-lesbian-says-we-are-all-hezb-allah.html (http://threewayfight.blogspot.com/2007/10/islamic-fundamentalism-and-three-way.html)


You're a disgusting apologist for the Israeli occupationCriticizing the Islamic right, or having tactical disagreements regarding the imperialist question, in no way makes one an "apologist for the Israeli occupation". This argument is an appeal to emotion, not reason.

[mosfeld]

And individuals have every right not to support that particular form of "resistance". Sure, but you're still a reactionary if you don't support the Palestinian resistance.


Which will not be achieved if they become slaves of the rightist national bourgeoisie. Are you trying to claim that Palestinians would be better off under continued Israeli rule, which is ethnic cleansing Palestinians, stealing their land, murdering them, terrorizing them, bulldozing their homes, etc, than under Palestinian rule?[/quote]


History has proven this tactic to be disastrous. Nice job not pointing out one example.

United fronts, or popular fronts (sorry, not good at names), were critical in the liberation of China, Albania, DPRK, as well as other countries.


They oppose the imperialism and occupation of Zionist patriarchy in favor of the imperialism and occupation of Islamist patriarchy. Islamist imperialism? Is this post a joke?


Criticizing the Islamic right, or having tactical disagreements regarding the imperialist question, in no way makes one an "apologist for the Israeli occupation". This argument is an appeal to emotion, not reason. When you denounce the Palestinian resistance on grounds which organization is leading it, you're in effect apologizing for Zionism as you offer absolutely no reasonable alternative which is grounded in the material realities of Palestine.

[Omnia Sunt Communia]

you're still a reactionary if you don't support the Palestinian resistance.

I don't consider the political maneuvers of the radical right to be a legitimate form of "resistance". In the US during the mid-to-late 90s there were plenty on the "left" who claimed we should rally behind the "resistance" of Christian Patriot militias.

In my mind one is a reactionary if one supports groups that are anti-feminist, anti-queer, etc.


Are you trying to claim that Palestinians would be better off under continued Israeli rule, which is ethnic cleansing Palestinians, stealing their land, murdering them, terrorizing them, bulldozing their homes, etc, than under Palestinian rule?No, of course I'm not, however the right-wing opposition has no liberatory potential.


United fronts, or popular fronts (sorry, not good at names), were critical in the liberation of China, Albania, DPRK, as well as other countries.Those countries were never "liberated" though, the revolutionaries merely perpetuated capitalism.


Islamist imperialism?Imperialism is not the rule of one political faction over another but rather the normal operation of capitalism. Groups like Hamas are merely trying to cut their own small sliver of the global capitalist pie.


When you denounce the Palestinian resistance on grounds which organization is leading itThe Palestinians have every good reason to resist Israeli imperialism, that isn't the question.

What is disgusting is how the Islamic right has co-opted the energy of this reasonable resistance into the project of building an exploitative theocracy in Palestine.


you offer absolutely no reasonable alternativeRed flag over Palestine!


which is grounded in the material realities of Palestine.It is a common tactic for those among the left who want to side with this or that faction of bourgeois gangsters to accuse anyone who takes leftist thought to its logical conclusion and denounces all manifestations of political exploitation as not being "grounded in the material realities" of whatever the situation.

The material reality is that Hamas does not want to liberate the Palestinians from imperialism, they want to create a right-wing capitalist state much like that of the Taliban-era Afghanistan. I disagree that the Palestinian people stand to benefit from a "better a new demon than an old" philosophy. Let's ask those among the Palestinian radical left who stand to be brutally purged after the hypothetical victory by the rightist elements.

[freepalestine]

great posts to the above poster.although supporting u.s.christian militias is not the same as hamas,and to equate them with the taleban is far off too.still,palestine is not all about hamas or fateh etc