Rape In The U.S. Military

[Rakhmetov]

Rape is an epidemic in the U.S. military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_0b9hvIjc&p=B467A8F238F62B83&playnext=1&index=18

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/13-5

http://firedoglake.com/2008/07/28/rape-victims-death-ruled-suicide-by-army-henry-waxman-where-are-you/

[¿Que?]

I would have to say, this is one of the worst ways to honor the troops.

[Volcanicity]

I would have to say, this is one of the worst ways to honor the troops.
Why the hell should the troops be honoured for anything?They deserve to be strung up for doing shit like this.

[¿Que?]

Why the hell should the troops be honoured for anything?They deserve to be strung up for doing shit like this.
I was being ironic. Also, the "honor the troops" sentiment has been rather high lately since the end of combat operations in Iraq. And finally, I live in a town where there is a very high concentration of military veterans. I also work down stairs from the school's ROTC department. So I see A LOT of military people on a daily basis, both men and women. I guess my point is I certainly don't want to be the one to stir up that hornet's nest.

[Volcanicity]

I was being ironic. Also, the "honor the troops" sentiment has been rather high lately since the end of combat operations in Iraq. And finally, I live in a town where there is a very high concentration of military veterans. I also work down stairs from the school's ROTC department. So I see A LOT of military people on a daily basis, both men and women. I guess my point is I certainly don't want to be the one to stir up that hornet's nest.
Yes its probably best for you personally to keep a bit quiet.I just get pissed off when here in the UK all we hear these days is about the troops being so heroic,its almost a crime to say otherwise.

[Lt. Ferret]

I'm in the Army, and I feel the same way I do about soldiers as I do about cops: when you are given access to the violence inherent in the State, you are to act in a professional manner and wield that violence rigidly within the confines of the laws established by that State.

Any Cop or soldier who abuses this "privilege" of access to this violence, deserves to be punished in the harshest terms, not excluding execution. My men know that I feel like this as well, and I think it keeps their noses clean.

[Tablo]

I'm in the Army, and I feel the same way I do about soldiers as I do about cops: when you are given access to the violence inherent in the State, you are to act in a professional manner and wield that violence rigidly within the confines of the laws established by that State.

Any Cop or soldier who abuses this "privilege" of access to this violence, deserves to be punished in the harshest terms, not excluding execution. My men know that I feel like this as well, and I think it keeps their noses clean.
Would be nice if more cops and soldiers behaved in the manner you describe. Still, even when they act within the confines of the law they are still tools of the state used to enforce property rights and maintain control of the working class.

[Lt. Ferret]

Would be nice if more cops and soldiers behaved in the manner you describe. Still, even when they act within the confines of the law they are still tools of the state used to enforce property rights and maintain control of the working class.


they enforce whatever the state in power wants. they're simply enforcers, nothing more. Could be capitalism, could be communism, could be chocolate cakism.

[¿Que?]

they enforce whatever the state in power wants. they're simply enforcers, nothing more. Could be capitalism, could be communism, could be chocolate cakism.
I honestly don't see why you'd need a military if communism were ever achieved. If you're trying to defend a transitional socialist state, the best way to do this is through peoples' and workers' militias, not through a military controlled by the state.

Let's also not forget that the turning point in the February insurrection in Russia was when the rank and file of the military rebelled against the military leadership and added to the insurrectionists both numbers and expropriated weapons.

I would say it's not nearly as simple as you make it out to be.

[durhamleft]

they enforce whatever the state in power wants. they're simply enforcers, nothing more. Could be capitalism, could be communism, could be chocolate cakism.

So you believe it is acceptable for a soldier to merely enforce the law of the state if that involves, say dropping bombs on families of suspected terrorists in Afghanistan? What about if it is to gas Jews or homosexuals? Is it then ok to do what the state wish you to?

I fail to see how you say its acceptable to commit an immoral action because the state tell you to, but you should be executed for committing an offence that is no worse but is merely not what the state see as acceptable. Do you not see some of the irony in that?

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you comrade, but it strikes me the biggest issue of morality in soldiers is why the fuck they sign up to kill for Governments who are almost always irresponsible and violent.

DL.

[Lt. Ferret]

I was more inferring that I do not like political armies. I'm talking, this is an Army that the State controls. Not scenarios with worker's militias, or any of the other brands of armed forces that can exist. I wasn't trying to say that it was the best situation.

[The Red Next Door]

There was a girl from here in St.Louis who was rape and murder by people in her unit and they try to cover her murder up as a suicide but the family members who are involved in the medical field, discover that she was shot in the head. the family suffer so much because of her murder, that the husband can not heal his wife heart, they are fuck up to because of what they did to their child.

[Rusty Shackleford]

from observation and not experience(im not or ever was in the military) i came to the conclusion thus far that the average enlisted is not to blame.

most of the horrors are encouraged from the top down. form the use of the term "haji" to insitutionalized rape like in the german Wehrmacht or SS.

most enlisted are plucked from the working class and form the oppressed nationalities(in the US's case) to fight for the US ruling class. military society is just a microcosm of the whole of capitalist society but refined a bit to where the lowest in the military arent exactly shat upon, but instead are encouraged to do great harm to other nations and people.

Lt. Ferret is correct that any military enforces the ideology of (the class that happens to control the) state. the state is a-political, its just an object... i will go so far as to say it is almost like a factory, someone controls it and it does something. class politicizes it.

[LeftistLord]

Hello my dear brother: I think that from my own point of view of USA as a whole not just the US Armed Forces, there needs to be a serious scientific, psychiatry, psychological study of the causes of high rapes rate in the US society. I mean maybe the lack of sexual relationships when US troops are in a war, or maybe the excess of stress, i am not a psychiatrist, or a scientist. but there has to be some real causes of why men force women for sex. Instead of just fullfiling sex needs thru a prostitution service

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[QUOTE=Mengistu Haile Mariam;1860415]Rape is an epidemic in the U.S. military.

[LeftistLord]

100% what you said is totally correct. So the only solution is to overthrow this satanic evil capitalist system

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from observation and not experience(im not or ever was in the military) i came to the conclusion thus far that the average enlisted is not to blame.

most of the horrors are encouraged from the top down. form the use of the term "haji" to insitutionalized rape like in the german Wehrmacht or SS.

most enlisted are plucked from the working class and form the oppressed nationalities(in the US's case) to fight for the US ruling class. military society is just a microcosm of the whole of capitalist society but refined a bit to where the lowest in the military arent exactly shat upon, but instead are encouraged to do great harm to other nations and people.

Lt. Ferret is correct that any military enforces the ideology of (the class that happens to control the) state. the state is a-political, its just an object... i will go so far as to say it is almost like a factory, someone controls it and it does something. class politicizes it.

[LeftistLord]

MAN !! WHAT THE HECK? wow what the hell is going on in the heads of US military troops. Like i said in my other post, there has to be some cause for the excess of evil within the US military. Man i can't even kill an ant.

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There was a girl from here in St.Louis who was rape and murder by people in her unit and they try to cover her murder up as a suicide but the family members who are involved in the medical field, discover that she was shot in the head. the family suffer so much because of her murder, that the husband can not heal his wife heart, they are fuck up to because of what they did to their child.

[kitsune]

Dehumanization is a fundamental aspect of military training.

Quick question: Where can I learn more about the chocolate cakism tendency?

[LeftistLord]

I think that Pat Tilman and the son of Cindy Sheehan was killed by US troops. Or only Pat Tillman. Man we need a pro-life system, a system in which people could live to 150, a system that would wage a war on diabetes, cancer, obesity and heart attacks. Not this system which is pro-death

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There was a girl from here in St.Louis who was rape and murder by people in her unit and they try to cover her murder up as a suicide but the family members who are involved in the medical field, discover that she was shot in the head. the family suffer so much because of her murder, that the husband can not heal his wife heart, they are fuck up to because of what they did to their child.

[Rusty Shackleford]

100% what you said is totally correct. So the only solution is to overthrow this satanic evil capitalist system

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egoism to me is the problem with satanism. other than that, it is just another ideology or lifestyle based in the field of superstition(since it is anti-christian or pro some mythological figure)

and evil is simply subjective.

capitalism is objectively wrong

but, you are correct, the core solution is the overthrow of capitalism :thumbup1:

[LeftistLord]

Kitsue: what is chocolate cakism? You mean like cooking chocolate?



Dehumanization is a fundamental aspect of military training.

Quick question: Where can I learn more about the chocolate cakism tendency?

[LeftistLord]

Vacant: I am not a psychiatrist or scientist. But Michael Tsarion a conspiracy theorist from Ireland said that mankind is still in the egoist-stage, in the ego-stage. He said that people need to evolve to an altruist cooperative stage. And from my own observations, i think that the people of Venezuela are mentally evolving at a faster pace than the people of USA and other societies which are still in the ego stage

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egoism to me is the problem with satanism. other than that, it is just another ideology or lifestyle based in the field of superstition(since it is anti-christian or pro some mythological figure)

and evil is simply subjective.

capitalism is objectively wrong

but, you are correct, the core solution is the overthrow of capitalism :thumbup1:

[Shokaract]

Rape is already underreported, and if it involves the military the government helps cover it up. Disgusting.

[kitsune]

Kitsue: what is chocolate cakism? You mean like cooking chocolate?

I was referring to this:


they enforce whatever the state in power wants. they're simply enforcers, nothing more. Could be capitalism, could be communism, could be chocolate cakism.


Vacant: I am not a psychiatrist or scientist. But Michael Tsarion a conspiracy theorist from Ireland said that mankind is still in the egoist-stage, in the ego-stage. He said that people need to evolve to an altruist cooperative stage. And from my own observations, i think that the people of Venezuela are mentally evolving at a faster pace than the people of USA and other societies which are still in the ego stage.

I remember seeing an interesting map of social psychology that described levels of development, from egoism and greed through compassion and altruism. Can't remember the source, though.

[Rusty Shackleford]

egoism and altruism i feel are based on the thought prevalent in society.

if its capitalism, its egoist.

if its socialism, its altruist.

humanity started out as a sort of tribal altruism where everyone fought to save their tribe or whatever. it was also a time of primitive communism.

obviously over time, with the discovery and development of machines(or anything that saved on labor time to produce something) which led to private property, it led to egoism. since certain things were not so scarce(but still scarce) some people began to focus on themselves more than the rest of society. its at its height now with world capitalism. once nothing is considered scarce, egoism may very well die.

[kitsune]

egoism and altruism i feel are based on the thought prevalent in society.

if its capitalism, its egoist.

if its socialism, its altruist.

humanity started out as a sort of tribal altruism where everyone fought to save their tribe or whatever. it was also a time of primitive communism.

obviously over time, with the discovery and development of machines which led to private property, it led to egoism. since certain things were not so scarce(but still scarce) some people began to focus on themselves more than the rest of society. its at its height now with world capitalism. once nothing is considered scarce, egoism may very well die.

This is very true. The "primitive" aspect of primitive communism really only applies to the state of technological development. In terms of social structure, they are more advanced than we are.

Socialism is really just a matter combining that natural state of social organization with advanced technology.