Catalonia?

[Pretty Flaco]

What exactly happened after the Spanish Civil War, politically wise?

I remember hearing once about a Catalan separatist party... but that was once.

so... what's up with the catalans?

[Magón]

Catalonian's are a group of people, who want not just autonomy, but complete separation from Spanish rule over Catalonia. After the SCW, Franco basically just suppressed anything to do with Catalonia, whether it be Anarchism, Communism, or even Catalonian Nationalism (which you see today). There's not much to tell, except like the Basques in the North, along France, Catalonian's want freedom from Spain. Of course, Spain won't/doesn't want this, so the Catalan's are at sort of a fork in the road on what to do and where to go really.

And the "Catalan Separatist Party" is something I've never heard, but I think you might mean the Catalan Independentism political movement, which is just what I talked about up above.

[Adil3tr]

I can't believe no one cared that Franco was running Spain! Why didn't the Red army kick his ass? Stalin played his part in screwing Spain by arresting half the revolution, but still. This guy was funded by Hitler, and he was allowed to run Spain for 40 years?

[Comrade Gwydion]

Catalan independence rethoric is still very, very common, though I am not sure how sincere it is. The National Bank of Catalunya tried to sell insurances with the slogan "Indepence? YES! But you won't be alone." I traced a lot of graffiti with the slogan "Catalunya; indepencia i socialis##" (I don't speak catalan, so I can't reproduce the slogan, but I think the meaning is clear) to the JERC, youthwing of the Left Republicans, wich were the most rightwing of the republican side in the SCW, but seem to have actually moved to the left in the meantime. Though I don't know wether they're revolutionairy, I think they might be a respectable movement.

[ComradeOm]

Why didn't the Red army kick his ass?After marching across most of Europe? :glare:

[Hasek]

I am catalan (Not independentist), so if you have questions, you can ask here. There are some political parties in Catalonia that reclaim certain sort of independence or autonomy, there is not only one separatist party:

CiU - Convergència i Unió (Convergency and Union): It is the most voted bourgeois party in Catalonia. Right-winged, they are catalanist, but they never say if they are independentist or not because there is a huge number of catalans that identify with catalanist valours, but not with independence. So, if they do not clarify about the independence, they can pick up votes of catalanists and independentists. Few weeks ago, its leader, Artur Mas, said that he was in favour of independence, but mantaining strong ties of relationship with Spain. It is the principal party of the opposition, and probably they are going to win next elections in november.

ERC - Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya (Republican Left of Catalonia): Currently at government forming coalition with PSC-PSOE and ICV. They are independentists, and currently doing a kind of referendum called "citizen consult" in small towns, asking if they want Catalonia's independence. Obviously, they are not going to ask it in any town near Barcelona or Barcelona, because half of the people who live in Barcelona come from other sites of Spain and is against the independence. ERC does not have a leftist program, and has not criticized the PSOE government and its liberal program. JERC are the youth of this party, separatist scum who hate anything related to Spain. The "Socialism and Independence" of their graffitis is pure ignorance. They will lose a lot of votes next octuber because of their pathetical gestion at government.

PSC-PSOE - Partit dels Socialistes de Catalunya (Socialists of Catalonia Party): They defend some kind of autonomy (They are catalanists), but not independentists, because a huge quantity of their votes come from immigrant people who come to work in Catalonia at the '70s. This party was one of the protagonists of the Estatut de Catalunya, an autonomy statute that the reactionary Constitutional Tribunal refused because they said that had some articles that were unconstitutional. Now, because of their bad gestion (And of Zapatero in Spain), they will probably lose next elections. Currently, the president of Catalonia is from this party: José Montilla.

SC - Solidaritat Catalana (Catalan Solidarity): Founded few months ago by the last president of FCBarcelona, Joan Laporta, who during his mandate at Barça, tried to link politics and sport, Barça as symbol of Catalonia. They openly demand independence, but they do not have a consistent political programme. It is inspired by a party with the same name that existed the first years of the 20th century. It was an unitary big political party that had a lot of little catalanist parties inside, and dissapeared after the Tragic Week in Barcelona because of its heterogeneity. Solidaritat wanted to absorb Reagrupament, ERC and CiU for creating an unitary party, but the others laughed at its face (SC does not have yet any presence at the catalan parliament).

Reagrupament: A new political party that wants independentism and has a lot of success between youth people. Center-left.

Independentist option has rised last months because of the sentence of the Estatut that did the Constitutional Tribunal, who refused the program. But independentists have never been majority in Catalonia. Catalan nationalism is petit-bourgeois, and people is becoming more concerned that nationalism won't save Catalonia.

Parliament of Catalonia (135 Seats)

CiU - 48 seats.
PSC-PSOE - 37 seats.
ERC - 21 seats.
PP (Principal party of opposition in Spain, liberal-conservative scoria) - 14 seats.
ICV - 12 seats.
Ciutadans - 3 seats.

Bold letter - Currently at government.

[Adil3tr]

After marching across most of Europe? :glare:

Its called a boat

[ComradeOm]

Its called a boatIts called a logistical impossibility :rolleyes:

[Tavarisch_Mike]

About Franco, yeah thats one fucker that history seems to have forgiven/forgotten, you dont hear so much about his regime of terror, the koncetration camps, persecution aganist unionists, reds, anyone-who-would-critisize-the-current-system and so on. They have removed some street signs with his name, but just look at his tomb (that was build by slave labours, mostly socialists)


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[Agnapostate]

There seemed to be a neutral to negative reaction to the opinions I solicited on Spanish regional separatism, but Franco's administration was firmly for Spanish unity based under Castilian cultural dominance, and suppressed Basque, Catalan, Andalusian, etc. aspirations for independence and even cultural expression.

[Adil3tr]

Its called a logistical impossibility :rolleyes:

We're communists, we conquered space. I think we can take Spain.

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