How would people feel if the Soviet Union were to be reformed?

[Comrade Mango]

The people of Russia and the rest of the world.

[Tablo]

Well, Russians would be happy. Poland would shit their pants. :laugh:

[Invincible Summer]

I think Russians in general would be okay with it, might put an end to the organized crime (or not lulz) or at least curb it. Or send it to a neighboring country.

I think it would result in the United States doing something really fucking stupid though.

[NecroCommie]

Half the bourgeoisie superpowers would immediately shit their pants in some epic fashion. I think that alone is worth the effort.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

I'd be completely chuffed if a worker's state was formed through a working class insurrection, as opposed to Putin's lot deciding to re-adopt a command economy on their terms.

I'm not sure who you had in mind for the "reformation" of the USSR.

[fa2991]

People would feel great. Surveys show that 43% of Russians go so far as to want a second Bolshevik revolution. Something like 60% preferred the USSR. The only people in surveys who react negatively to the Soviets are people under 24, who were in preschool when communists were still in power.

In the Ukraine, home of Yakov Smirnof, something like 89% of the population indicated to a paper (The Guardian maybe?) that they preferred life under communism.

[L.A.P.]

People would feel great. Surveys show that 43% of Russians go so far as to want a second Bolshevik revolution. Something like 60% preferred the USSR. The only people in surveys who react negatively to the Soviets are people under 24, who were in preschool when communists were still in power.

In the Ukraine, home of Yakov Smirnof, something like 89% of the population indicated to a paper (The Guardian maybe?) that they preferred life under communism.

Well people in their 20's are starting to show support for the Soviet Union nostalgia. Ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union and other socialist republics Eastern Europe has literally became the third biggest shit hole in the world with all the human trafficking, corruption, and organized crimes (capitalism's wet dream). Not to mention the world's second biggest shit hole came to be when the socialist republics collapsed, the Middle East. In fact, the world's biggest shit hole, Africa, was better off still having the socialist republics they had. Especially since Africans have literally gotten the worst of capitalism, slavery, not to mention imperialism and capitalism has destroyed the home of humanity.

[zimmerwald1915]

Well people in their 20's are starting to show support for the Soviet Union nostalgia. Ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union and other socialist republics Eastern Europe has literally became the third biggest shit hole in the world with all the human trafficking, corruption, and organized crimes (capitalism's wet dream). Not to mention the world's second biggest shit hole came to be when the socialist republics collapsed, the Middle East. In fact, the world's biggest shit hole, Africa, was better off still having the socialist republics they had. Especially since Africans have literally gotten the worst of capitalism, slavery, not to mention imperialism and capitalism has destroyed the home of humanity.
What made Congo-Brazzaville, Angola, Mozambique, and Ethiopia socialist states? Simply their orientation towards the USSR within the framework of the system of two opposed blocs and the fact that their ruling parties called themselves "popular movements"*? Or is there something more of which I am not aware because I'm ignorant?

*in Angola's case

[TheGodlessUtopian]

It sounds good....but still what is the realistic possibility that the USSR (or a socialist russia) would be restored?

[Tablo]

It sounds good....but still what is the realistic possibility that the USSR (or a socialist russia) would be restored?
Nearly non-existent. The chances of a revival of the Soviet Union are slim to none.

[fa2991]

It sounds good....but still what is the realistic possibility that the USSR (or a socialist russia) would be restored?

Slim.

[ContrarianLemming]

Russians would be quite happy, westerers would be angry, US would renew it's attacks on independnt nationalistic regime.

[bricolage]

Confused I'd imagine.

[zimmerwald1915]

Russians would be quite happy, westerers would be angry, US would renew it's attacks on independnt nationalistic regime.
And what precisely makes you think that the US and Russia aren't competing imperialisms now, and that each is attacking the other in whatever ways they feel they can get away with?

[mikelepore]

The confederation if 15 republics will never be restored. Hopefully the individual nations will someday be emancipated from capitalism.

[TwoSevensClash]

The confederation if 15 republics will never be restored. Hopefully the individual nations will someday be emancipated from capitalism.
Yes I doubt Latvia,Estonia, Lithuania, and Georgia would ever join a new Soviet Union.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Yes I doubt Latvia,Estonia, Lithuania, and Georgia would ever join a new Soviet Union.

Even if the Red Army overthrows the new Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian, and Georgian bourgeoisie?

[Crimson Commissar]

Even if the Red Army overthrows the new Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian, and Georgian bourgeoisie?
Maybe if the situation had gotten bad enough for a revolution to occur, then the people of the former soviet union might consider re-uniting. It's definitely possible in my opinion. They might feel that forming a new USSR would create a strong new socialist state able to rival the power of the capitalist west.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Maybe if the situation had gotten bad enough for a revolution to occur, then the people of the former soviet union might consider re-uniting. It's definitely possible in my opinion. They might feel that forming a new USSR would create a strong new socialist state able to rival the power of the capitalist west.

Proletarian revolution isn't logically connected to Soviet reformation. (The USSR was what happened to czarist Russia five years after the October Revolution of 1917; its origin, development, and structure were dictated by the conditions of the time.)

The reunification of some of the republics anytime soon is extremely unlikely, though not, of course, wholly impossible. The best candidates would be Russian and Belarus, with Ukraine -- maybe Kazakhstan -- as a very distant third candidate for the reunification. Even then, there would be little reason to view that sort of federal entity as a kind of reborn USSR.

Proletarian and socialist revolutions could break out in the former Soviet Union, but the old thing itself isn't coming back; what we'll see after this will naturally be something else.

[Q]

Why is this even in Learning? Please move to Chit-Chat.

[Zanthorus]

Ugh, I'd probably shoot myself rather than endure another century of heated theoretical debate on 'socialism' vs 'degenerated/deformed workers' state' vs 'beuracratic collectivism' vs 'state-capitalism' vs 'simply capitalism' vs 'non-mode of production' vs whatever the hell other crazy theories people have come up with.

[TwoSevensClash]

Even if the Red Army overthrows the new Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian, and Georgian bourgeoisie?
I meant they would never join voluntarily. The Red Army coming in and forcing them is a different story.

[Crvena-Zastava]

Even if the Red Army overthrows the new Latvian, Estonian, Lithuanian, and Georgian bourgeoisie?

How ironic...

[BeerShaman]

Well don;t you forget the fact that russian nationalism is rising and that more than 30% would surely support or just let a fascist government take the "throne".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvm1Nz4yPio

[BeerShaman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUxuq-E9yA

[Crvena-Zastava]

Well don;t you forget the fact that russian nationalism is rising and that more than 30% would surely support or just let a fascist government take the "throne".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvm1Nz4yPio


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUxuq-E9yA

Well it looks like thats 30% of Russia who will need to be dealt with, forcibly.

Every single Fascist Party members is sent to the Gulag; all of its supporters are sent to rehabilitation centers.

[Kayser_Soso]

Whatever union is some day formed, it should have a system of sovereignty more akin to the EU than the USSR. The "independence" of the SSRs was not very real until the system had collapsed and the SSRs used the constitution to legally get out.

Personally I have no hope for revolution among the Muscovite Russians. Ukraine and Belarus offer much greater prospects. Moscow is the belly of the beast. And if there is a revolution, the Russian Federation should be broken up, with the European Russian part merging with Belarus and Ukraine(with its own Crimean Tatar Republic), and there needs to be some kind of Idel-Ural Federation(centered on Tatarstan/Bashkortostan) and probably a Siberian republic of some sort. As for the North Caucasus, Let them sort their own situation out for the time being. Kadyrov(and other Caucasian Kremlin puppets) and the Caucasian Emirate insurgents ought to destroy each other.

A lot of Russians will tell you that the problem with having democracy in Russia is that it's too big. I agree, and there's a REAL simple solution for that.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'd feel like I was living in a game of Command & Conquer.

[Kayser_Soso]

i'd feel like i was living in a game of command & conquer.


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[LebenIstKrieg]

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