United Russia party?

[TwoSevensClash]

I can't find much about them except wikipedia. It described them as conservative but that the party claims to an heir to the soviet state and tsarist state? So whats the deal with them?

[Jazzhands]

I can't find much about them except wikipedia. It described them as conservative but that the party claims to an heir to the soviet state and tsarist state? So whats the deal with them?

Conservative means different things in different countries. In conventional terms, it means people who resist change/miss the "good old days." The Good Old Days vary depend on the country's history. In the United States, for instance, the conservative Good Old Days is probably the idealized version of 1950s America shown on The Andy Griffith Show that never actually existed. In Russia, the Good Old Days are the Soviet era, but the Good Old Days idealists also lay claim to the cultural identity of the Russian Empire. So they're a very right-wing party in that sense.

[Dire Helix]

United Russia is far to the right of American Republicans, just to give you an idea of where they stand. Its character is extremely anti-communist although they do use a lot of populist social rhetoric in their speeches. A good half of United Russia`s current deputies came straight from CPSU and CPRF. The party`s "ideology" is the same as the ideology of the modern Russian state - it`s based on slandering the Soviet Union all the time and glorifying the old Tsarist regime as "the Russia that we lost" or "the Russia that was taken from us". There`s not much else to say about them as UR can`t really be called an actual political party. If Putin would desire so, they would disband tomorrow.


It described them as conservative but that the party claims to an heir to the soviet state and tsarist state? So whats the deal with them? Technically, the modern Russian state is a successor to the Soviet state. It can`t be a successor to the old Tsarist Russia at the same time since the USSR never recognized itself as such.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

I can't find much about them except wikipedia. It described them as conservative but that the party claims to an heir to the soviet state and tsarist state? So whats the deal with them?

The United Russia Party isn't conservative in most respects -- it's merely socially conservative. What that conservatism consists of: sucking up to the Orthodox Church (as almost all Russian politicians do), and engaging in populist-conservative rhetoric against homosexuals (as almost all Russian politicians do).

United Russia became formally associated with the "conservatism" label fairly recently. ("Russian conservatism" as the name of the party ideology was rolled out at a congress held in late 2009.) One of the party's heads, Boris Gryzlov, then vaguely defined this conservatism as meaning Russia's continued "stability and development, the constant creative regeneration of society without stagnation or revolutions."

Quite naturally, this is a code word for the stability of Putin's authoritarian capitalism.

[Dimentio]

I also like the terms "managed democracy" and "sovereign democracy"

A little bit like putting "electric" before "chair" :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Dire Helix]

I also like the terms "managed democracy" and "sovereign democracy"The terms belong to this man:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Vladislav_Surkov_in_2010.jpeg/220px-Vladislav_Surkov_in_2010.jpeg

Vladislav Surkov, Kremlin`s main ideologist responsible for the creation of parties United Russia, Just Russia, Rodina(Motherland), pro-Kremlin youth movements Nashi and Molodaya Gvardiya and allegedly even some neo-nazi organizations.

[Dimentio]

In the Swedish town of Malmö, we have a guy who have created at least a dozen of parties, amongst them the Palme Party, the Gnome Party, the Cloning-no-thanks-I'm-A-Unique-Human-Being-Party, the Beer Party and the Viking Party.

Surkov's admittedly somewhat more skilled.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

In the Swedish town of Malmö, we have a guy who have created at least a dozen of parties, amongst them the Palme Party, the Gnome Party, the Cloning-no-thanks-I'm-A-Unique-Human-Being-Party, the Beer Party and the Viking Party.

Surkov's admittedly somewhat more skilled.


And here's the guy, Bosse Persson, i mean how couldn't you take him serious.

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-18297/tomten/Images/tomtefar.jpg

Don forget about the Donald Duck party, they gained 1500 votes in the election of 1991.

[Honggweilo]

In the Swedish town of Malmö, we have a guy who have created at least a dozen of parties, amongst them the Palme Party, the Gnome Party, the Cloning-no-thanks-I'm-A-Unique-Human-Being-Party, the Beer Party and the Viking Party.

Surkov's admittedly somewhat more skilled.

its not the case of creating "humorous" parties just for the heck of it. Surkov's idea for helping create Just Russia/Rodina (nationalist pro-kremlin social democrats) , the pro-klemlin youth gang (nashi ect), and to some extend using and tollerating the National Liberal Democratic Party (a bizar extreme-right populist party) is to make them function as pro-Kremlin "Potemkin parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village)" to lure voters and support away from the anti-kremlin fascist (and religious) extreme-right and from the communist movement (not limited to the KPRF).

[Die Neue Zeit]

its not the case of creating "humorous" parties just for the heck of it. Surkov's idea for helping create Just Russia/Rodina (nationalist pro-kremlin social democrats) , the pro-klemlin youth gang (nashi ect), and to some extend using and tollerating the National Liberal Democratic Party (a bizar extreme-right populist party) is to make them function as pro-Kremlin "Potemkin parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village)" to lure voters and support away from the anti-kremlin fascist (and religious) extreme-right and from the communist movement (not limited to the KPRF).

Didn't Surkov also have a hand in creating a pro-Kremlin liberal party, Right Cause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Cause), again for the purpose of drawing support away from liberal opposition?

[Dire Helix]

Didn't Surkov also have a hand in creating a pro-Kremlin liberal party, Right Cause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Cause), again for the purpose of drawing support away from liberal opposition?

The party has been officially registered and participates in elections. So, the answer is yes. In mainstream Russian politics everything requires the approval of Kremlin`s ideologists. Even deputy lists need to be sent in.

[Dimentio]

its not the case of creating "humorous" parties just for the heck of it. Surkov's idea for helping create Just Russia/Rodina (nationalist pro-kremlin social democrats) , the pro-klemlin youth gang (nashi ect), and to some extend using and tollerating the National Liberal Democratic Party (a bizar extreme-right populist party) is to make them function as pro-Kremlin "Potemkin parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village)" to lure voters and support away from the anti-kremlin fascist (and religious) extreme-right and from the communist movement (not limited to the KPRF).

Well, I have understood that. I think it will end with United Russia splitting.