Gaurav: Final preparations for 'decisive people's war' being made

[Saorsa]

Maoists making preparations for 'decisive people's war': Gajurel
Monday, 06 September 2010 18:26

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UCPN (Maoist) is making final preparations for "a decisive people's war", but top party leaders are discussing new approaches to wage it, a senior Maoist leader said on Monday.

The Maoist leader, Haribol Gajurel, who is a member of the party's powerful politburo, said that the ongoing central committee meeting of his party is weighing various options and new approaches to wage the people's revolt. He didn't elaborate.

Gajurel, who was speaking at a programme organised to commemorate the Maoist party members who attained martyrdom after being killed by Nepal Army at Sindulimadi, also vented ire on what he called Indian intervention on Nepal's internal affairs, saying that India is committing a serious mistake which will cost it dear.

He said the Maoists will fight against the intervention of India and other foreign forces in Nepali politics, adding that China, which is not very happy with what is happening in Nepal, will also help the Maoists in its struggle. nepalnews.com

http://www.nepalnews.com/main/index.php/news-archive/2-political/8973-maoists-making-preparations-for-decisive-peoples-war-gajurel.html

[maskerade]

He said the Maoists will fight against the intervention of India and other foreign forces in Nepali politics, adding that China, which is not very happy with what is happening in Nepal, will also help the Maoists in its struggle.

Article in general seems like good news (none of that Bhattarai nonsense), but this part intrigues me. Does this mean that the chinese government is supporting the Nepali maoists?

It is a shame that we do not know more about the new maoists in China. Couldn't China's involvement in this be a strategy to somehow sideline any relationship which might exist between the maoists in China and Nepal?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Article in general seems like good news (none of that Bhattarai nonsense), but this part intrigues me. Does this mean that the chinese government is supporting the Nepali maoists?

It is a shame that we do not know more about the new maoists in China. Couldn't China's involvement in this be a strategy to somehow sideline any relationship which might exist between the maoists in China and Nepal?

Apparently. The Chinese government supported Venezuela, Cuba, the DPRK, & even non-socialist countries trying to liberate themselves from capitalist/imperialist domination, such as Africa, Zimbabwe, etc.

I believe this is where me & Comrade Alastair differ in opinion, where he see's China as straight up capitalist with no intentions in helping others, where I see them still holding the Socialist line that Mao created, but is on a dangerous road to capitalist restoration. Though, the Chinese government has shown time & again that they really do care in helping other people.

During the worker strikes in China against the SEZs, the CPC supported them. Sending thousands of doctors to third world countries with Venezuela & Cuba's doctors to try & help. Giving aid & supplies to those countries that are being sanctioned against by the US & allies. China has played a huge role in the anti-imperialist movement. So to see China in support of the Nepalese Maoists doesn't seem odd at all in my opinion.

Having said all that, this story Comrade Alastair provided us with is very interesting, & I agree with you, none of Bhattarai's semantics. It's revealing to see them taking on investigations internally to point out possible corruption, & them coming to an almost decisive vote of waging the People's War once again.

[scarletghoul]

Yes this is very interesting. I think Bhattarai is good and worth keeping in the party leadership, but yeah his methods seem to be approaching exhaustion..

A China-UCPN(M) alliance would be primarily to counter Indian influence. China may support places like DPRK but this is mostly, if not fully, for realpolitik reasons against the US & co.

[the last donut of the night]

I agree with scarlet. It'd be great if China backed and even funded the Nepalese revolution, but that would be more for its own interests than the Nepalese people's.

[Gustav HK]

Apparently. The Chinese government supported Venezuela, Cuba, the DPRK, & even non-socialist countries trying to liberate themselves from capitalist/imperialist domination, such as Africa, Zimbabwe, etc.

I believe this is where me & Comrade Alastair differ in opinion, where he see's China as straight up capitalist with no intentions in helping others, where I see them still holding the Socialist line that Mao created, but is on a dangerous road to capitalist restoration. Though, the Chinese government has shown time & again that they really do care in helping other people.

During the worker strikes in China against the SEZs, the CPC supported them. Sending thousands of doctors to third world countries with Venezuela & Cuba's doctors to try & help. Giving aid & supplies to those countries that are being sanctioned against by the US & allies. China has played a huge role in the anti-imperialist movement. So to see China in support of the Nepalese Maoists doesn't seem odd at all in my opinion.

Having said all that, this story Comrade Alastair provided us with is very interesting, & I agree with you, none of Bhattarai's semantics. It's revealing to see them taking on investigations internally to point out possible corruption, & them coming to an almost decisive vote of waging the People's War once again.
Of course China supports struggles against its imperialist rival, USA.

If the Chinese government really care for the struggle of opressed people, then the same can be said about USA caring about the Iraqi kurds, the Kosovarian albanians, the tibetans, the afghan women, and the opressed people in Darfur.

Fact is, that China is an imperialist country, which has its own imperialist interests in especially Africa.

[Saorsa]

Re China's support for the UCPN (M): I suspect it's been translated/interpreted wrong. China has no interest in supporting Maoist revolutions, but what China is definitely interested in is challenging Indian domination of Nepal, a buffer state between the two giants.

Gajurel probably said something about how he hoped China would not allow India to openly and directly intervene against the revolution, which the media then faithfully translated as "China will help the Maoists".


Though, the Chinese government has shown time & again that they really do care in helping other people.

Where and how? :confused:


During the worker strikes in China against the SEZs, the CPC supported them.

TVM, that's a ridiculous thing to say. It isn't true, not even slightly. The CPC is the only party in a one party state where the state is the dominant force in the economy. China's economy is capitalist - this is simply undeniable by now. The CPC is presiding over the capitalist economy of China and is happily repressing workers and peasants whenever they resist. Who gives the orders to send in the police? Who gives the orders to send in the tanks and crush protesting students and workers?

Be careful your politics don't just become "The US doesn't like this so I must like it!". That ain't Marxism.


Sending thousands of doctors to third world countries with Venezuela & Cuba's doctors to try & help.

The US, the EU countries, my own country of New Zealand... all these countries have foreign aid programs to "try & help". So what? What does that prove? The question isn't whether a government does nice things as a propoganda stunt/diplomatic exercise, the question is what kind of economy exists in China and what role does the CPC and the Chinese state apparatus play in it.


Giving aid & supplies to those countries that are being sanctioned against by the US & allies.

This is an inter-imperialist rivalry. Next thing you'll be saying Russia is still socialist because Putin used to be KGB! Every bit of evidence you've provided to back up China's left wing 'credentials' could be used equally well towards Russia. Are you going to start defending Russia as well?

China is a capitalist country. It gave military aid to the Nepali monarchy during the People's War ffs! They are not, do not and will not provide support to the UCPN (M) except in an indirect way *for their own expansionist reasons*.


China has played a huge role in the anti-imperialist movement.

What role? What anti-imperialist movement? We don't support Third World bourgeois-nationalist dictators just because they happen to be anti-US.


So to see China in support of the Nepalese Maoists doesn't seem odd at all in my opinion.

China is not in support of the Maoists. And if it was, that would be very odd indeed.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Re China's support for the UCPN (M): I suspect it's been translated/interpreted wrong. China has no interest in supporting Maoist revolutions, but what China is definitely interested in is challenging Indian domination of Nepal, a buffer state between the two giants.

Gajurel probably said something about how he hoped China would not allow India to openly and directly intervene against the revolution, which the media then faithfully translated as "China will help the Maoists".



Where and how? :confused:



TVM, that's a ridiculous thing to say. It isn't true, not even slightly. The CPC is the only party in a one party state where the state is the dominant force in the economy. China's economy is capitalist - this is simply undeniable by now. The CPC is presiding over the capitalist economy of China and is happily repressing workers and peasants whenever they resist. Who gives the orders to send in the police? Who gives the orders to send in the tanks and crush protesting students and workers?

Be careful your politics don't just become "The US doesn't like this so I must like it!". That ain't Marxism.



The US, the EU countries, my own country of New Zealand... all these countries have foreign aid programs to "try & help". So what? What does that prove? The question isn't whether a government does nice things as a propoganda stunt/diplomatic exercise, the question is what kind of economy exists in China and what role does the CPC and the Chinese state apparatus play in it.



This is an inter-imperialist rivalry. Next thing you'll be saying Russia is still socialist because Putin used to be KGB! Every bit of evidence you've provided to back up China's left wing 'credentials' could be used equally well towards Russia. Are you going to start defending Russia as well?

China is a capitalist country. It gave military aid to the Nepali monarchy during the People's War ffs! They are not, do not and will not provide support to the UCPN (M) except in an indirect way *for their own expansionist reasons*.



What role? What anti-imperialist movement? We don't support Third World bourgeois-nationalist dictators just because they happen to be anti-US.



China is not in support of the Maoists. And if it was, that would be very odd indeed.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you, Comrade. Though, given at how many times threads get derailed due to irrelevant debates, I'll hold any kind of debate with you on this matter. This is out of respect & as a personal Comrade. Let's see how the topic-at-hand revolves as time goes by.