Jimmy Carter

[leninfan]

I was trying to think of a recent US president that didn't send thousands of boys and girls off to war... perhaps a man of peace... The closes one I could find was President Jimmy Carter. Lots of the right compare Obama to Carter.
I think Carter was/is a better man.
I liked this part of his "Malaise" speech -

"In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. . . .

Don't ban me for using Wikipedia -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Jimmy_Carter

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Ah, good old Jimmy Carter. The one who first authorized the U.S. funding of the Islamists and the other mujahideen in Afghanistan.

A good imperialist who didn't waste the blood of U.S. soldiers.

[khad]

Ah, good old Jimmy Carter. The one who first authorized the U.S. funding of the Islamists and the other mujahideen in Afghanistan.
Yep, Massoud and Hekmatyar began their rebellion against the Afghan government in the time of Daoud.

[Ocean Seal]

To be quite honest, Carter is the most demonized president in America. A lot of **** went down during his presidency and he wasn't able to fix it. When the right shows Regan as the perfect prez without even showing the whole cultural mess that he created along with the condition that he left the poor in and then states that Carter screwed up it just bothers me. Particularly because I think that Carter was a decent man, who was one of the few presidents who actually came in wanting to do some good. In addition, he has now become an anti-imperialist spokesman. That being said, I don't agree with the majority of his policies and understand that he is not a leftist. The anti-Soviet Jihad that he encouraged is unforgivable.

[leninfan]

Ah, good old Jimmy Carter. The one who first authorized the U.S. funding of the Islamists and the other mujahideen in Afghanistan.

A good imperialist who didn't waste the blood of U.S. soldiers.

What should have been done differently? A USA point of view?

[ContrarianLemming]

Jimmy Carter should never be praised, the liberal mythos about him is rediculious, he was a cold warrior.

[leninfan]

Jimmy Carter should never be praised, the liberal mythos about him is rediculious, he was a cold warrior.

So arming the Mujies... BAD... going against the CCCP???
IMO beats MAD

[Omnia Sunt Communia]

Jimmy Carter's legacy also includes Appalachian mountian-top removal and the deregulation/deunionization of the trucking and flight service industries.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

So arming the Mujies... BAD... going against the CCCP???
IMO beats MAD

I see it as more something like this: using the CIA to arm the reactionary and fundamentalist Mujies against a progressive Afghan government that encouraged education and women's rights because of Cold War geopolitics or whatever else... BAD.

I kind of like Carter the way he is now -- for instance, I wholeheartedly commend him for speaking out against Israeli apartheid in his book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. But he never took that kind of view when he was in office: Carter's U.S. was an enthusiastic buddy of Israeli apartheid then.

And just about anything beats MAD, actually...

[The Author]

I was trying to think of a recent US president that didn't send thousands of boys and girls off to war... perhaps a man of peace... The closes one I could find was President Jimmy Carter. Lots of the right compare Obama to Carter.
I think Carter was/is a better man.
I liked this part of his "Malaise" speech -

"In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. . . .

He's the US President who reinstated the draft just a few years after it's abolishment due to the Vietnam War:


Background of Selective Service

For more than 50 years, Selective Service and the registration requirement for America's young men have served as a backup system to provide manpower to the U.S. Armed Forces.
President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 which created the country's first peacetime draft and formally established the Selective Service System as an independent Federal agency.
From 1948 until 1973, during both peacetime and periods of conflict, men were drafted to fill vacancies in the armed forces which could not be filled through voluntary means.
In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer military.
The registration requirement was suspended in April 1975. It was resumed again in 1980 by President Carter in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Registration continues today as a hedge against underestimating the number of servicemen needed in a future crisis.
The obligation of a man to register is imposed by the Military Selective Service Act (http://www.sss.gov/EXITPAGE.HTM?http://law2.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t49t50+1981+0++%28%29%2 0%20AND). The Act establishes and governs the operations of the Selective Service System.
http://www.sss.gov/backgr.htm

And it was reinstated because of Afghanistan and Yankee imperialism's ambitions in that country, long long before 2001, going back to at least the 1950s when the United States government constructed an airport in Qandahar in the hopes of using it as a stepping stone base in launching military operations against the Soviet Central Asian Republics, and ultimately using the Airport from the 2001 invasion to the present.

Carter was incompetent as a head of state. He was notorious for his ineptitude in managing the economy, instituting policies of deregulation which cost scores of jobs in several industries (especially trucking, I have a friend still pissed because he lost his job more than 30 years ago thanks to the peanut farmer from Georgia) throughout the United States, which Reagan only picked up and continued. Carter was famous for asking his daughter, at the time only a young child, questions about what to do regarding foreign policy with the USSR and the use of nuclear weapons. He knew nothing about foreign relations, let Brzezinski do most of the work, and the fact that while he presented the image of "a man of peace" on the surface with such acts as the Camp David Accords between Sadat and Begin, deep within his administration and from the Republican opposition, war hawks who would become the neocons of the Reagan and Bush (both Bushes) Administrations gradually took their sway and got the upper hand, especially with the 1980 Presidential Elections after the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

I laugh when people compare Obama to Carter, because it's true. Obama presented himself as a "man of change," but he hasn't changed a thing because obviously the capitalists and the bankers run the show, and come the elections this year and in 2012, the Republicans will retake lost seats.... And continue the wonderful vicious circle that is American politics.....

[leninfan]

I see it as more something like this: using the CIA to arm the reactionary and fundamentalist Mujies against a progressive Afghan government that encouraged education and women's rights because of Cold War geopolitics or whatever else... BAD.

I kind of like Carter the way he is now -- for instance, I wholeheartedly commend him for speaking out against Israeli apartheid in his book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. But he never took that kind of view when he was in office: Carter's U.S. was an enthusiastic buddy of Israeli apartheid then.

And just about anything beats MAD, actually...

I guess it doesn't matter who becomes president, once he is in, he becomes the leader of the capitalist-Imperialist world.

Being born a Jew, and being a pre-teen in 1979, I liked what he did with the Camp David Accords, but now as an adult, and an ex-teacher of Government, I see the ills of his leadership.

I am not a supporter of Israel like other Jews. I am agnostic now so having a homeland for a religious based population is not high on my list.
I thought they Brits and US should have given them a nice island in the South Pacific. Fun in the sun without rockets blazing overhead.

[leninfan]

He's the US President who reinstated the draft just a few years after it's abolishment due to the Vietnam War:

http://www.sss.gov/backgr.htm

And it was reinstated because of Afghanistan and Yankee imperialism's ambitions in that country, long long before 2001, going back to at least the 1950s when the United States government constructed an airport in Qandahar in the hopes of using it as a stepping stone base in launching military operations against the Soviet Central Asian Republics, and ultimately using the Airport from the 2001 invasion to the present.

Carter was incompetent as a head of state. He was notorious for his ineptitude in managing the economy, instituting policies of deregulation which cost scores of jobs in several industries (especially trucking, I have a friend still pissed because he lost his job more than 30 years ago thanks to the peanut farmer from Georgia) throughout the United States, which Reagan only picked up and continued. Carter was famous for asking his daughter, at the time only a young child, questions about what to do regarding foreign policy with the USSR and the use of nuclear weapons. He knew nothing about foreign relations, let Brzezinski do most of the work, and the fact that while he presented the image of "a man of peace" on the surface with such acts as the Camp David Accords between Sadat and Begin, deep within his administration and from the Republican opposition, war hawks who would become the neocons of the Reagan and Bush (both Bushes) Administrations gradually took their sway and got the upper hand, especially with the 1980 Presidential Elections after the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

I laugh when people compare Obama to Carter, because it's true. Obama presented himself as a "man of change," but he hasn't changed a thing because obviously the capitalists and the bankers run the show, and come the elections this year and in 2012, the Republicans will retake lost seats.... And continue the wonderful vicious circle that is American politics.....

I guess this nation will continue it's downward spiral.
I wonder if a dirty bomb will come and speed up the process...

[NGNM85]

Substantively, Carter's policies didn't stray much from his predecessor's or his antecedents', however he had this habit of espousing rhetoric about human rights and justice that no doubt irked many of the hardened cold warriors, as opposed to the following administration which were just straight thugs.

[leninfan]

Substantively, Carter's policies didn't stray much from his predecessor's or his antecedents', however he had this habit of espousing rhetoric about human rights and justice that no doubt irked many of the hardened cold warriors, as opposed to the following administration which were just straight thugs.

I'm learning.

[Adi Shankara]

I was trying to think of a recent US president that didn't send thousands of boys and girls off to war... perhaps a man of peace... The closes one I could find was President Jimmy Carter.

He did send thousands to their deaths; they were just Afghani tribal warriors.

You really have a hard on for the liberal agenda, don't you? your other thread was praising the Green Party USA...

[chegitz guevara]

That's why this section is called learning.

[#FF0000]

He did send thousands to their deaths; they were just Afghani tribal warriors.

You really have a hard on for the liberal agenda, don't you? your other thread was praising the Green Party USA...

Like Chegitz said, there's a reason this forum's called learning. That's a verbal warning.

[leninfan]

Like Chegitz said, there's a reason this forum's called learning. That's a verbal warning.

I'm not here saying HOORAH for Ronald Raygun... Like one of my previous post, I was just a youngin when he was the president.

I post comments on our local paper's website, and those on the right get me a little fired-up so I sometimes see subjects such as Obama is the new Carter.

I've was conditioned as a youth to be a Democrat, while growing up in the shittiest part of California, where 70 percent of the voters were for Prop 8(Anti-Gay Marriage).

So I was a rare "LIBERAL" with pink skin during my youth, in a horrendous city.

So in summary, I like this site, and I am a fan of Lenin, and perhaps a cousin of Marx.

I also wrote that I was drawn to the Green Party of California due to campaign of Peter Miguel Camejo.

You don't see me running away, and I am not trying to troll or infuriate anyone.

[Animal Farm Pig]

See: Carter Doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine)

[leninfan]

See: Carter Doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine)

I think I was listening to Pink Floyd the Wall and smoking a doobie when that speech was given.
He was ready for war, he was willing to send troops to their deaths.

What if the CCCP had taken over the gulf and the oil. Would they have stopped there? Would they have made a move to take over the West?

Where does the supposed NWO come into all of this, if they so exist?
Bilderbergs? http://www.bilderberggroup.net/

Carter was just another capitalist during his presidency. I just liked having him as the president more than Ronald Reagan.

Reagan basically looks like a hero to the USA. I think that Gorbie had just as much if not more for the downfall of the union.

Please point me to a thread where the doings of 1991 are explained please.

[∞]

"In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. . . .

*pukes*

[Animal Farm Pig]

Are you smoking a doobie right now as well?

[Omnia Sunt Communia]

I think I was listening to Pink Floyd the Wall and smoking a doobie when that speech was given.

A better use of your time than listening to the speech itself, for sure.


Where does the supposed NWO come into all of this, if they so exist?In the delusional minds of Dominionist wingnuts, of course

The term "new world order" originates from Virgil's 4th eclogue


Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas
Magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo.
iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna,
iam nova progenies caelo demittitur alto.

So the "new world order" is actually nothing new at all...


Bilderbergs? http://www.bilderberggroup.net/Well yeah, they're pretty open about it. Denis Healy, a founder, says "to say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing.". The Bilderberg conference is no different than the G-20 and should receive as much attention from the left.

[leninfan]

Are you smoking a doobie right now as well?
Nope! Not in a long time, but thanks for asking.

[MarxSchmarx]

Originally Posted by Animal Farm Pig http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1856153#post1856153)
Are you smoking a doobie right now as well? Nope! Not in a long time, but thanks for asking.
In a somewhat related note, Carter srsly considered legalizing personal possession of small amounts of marijuana:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/cron/

[ZeroNowhere]

Carter didn't do anything wrong, as in each case the destruction was mutual. While one may take issue with some of his actions, as listed by Dennis Perrin:


- Ignoring the pleas of Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero, Carter pumped money and arms into the Salvadoran security forces that were responsible for the majority of bloodshed in that country, including that of Romero himself.

- Carter replenished the Indonesian military with a steady supply of weapons as President Suharto continued massacring a sizable chunk of the East Timorese population.

- Carter and his high-level officials backed Gen. Chun Do Hwan's military regime in South Korea, especially after the Kwangju massacre in 1980, when some 2,000 pro-democracy students were mowed down in the streets by the South Korean Special Forces.

- On Carter's watch, the most reactionary, violent elements in the Muslim world were recruited through Pakistan's Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to fight the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan. This included assaults on women wearing Western clothes, and attacks on co-ed schools - a specialty of the then-unknown Osama bin Laden.

Nonetheless remember that, in all of the above cases, the destruction was mutual.

[el_chavista]

The president of USA is just another public officer in the hands of the Corporations. They can't but agree with the war falcons or else...
Comparing presidents, however, is a matter of the degree they accept the politics of the privileged elite:

- Carter's last budget for Afghanistan: 1 million $
- Reagan's first budget for Afghanistan: 1 billion $ (1000 times more)

- Torrijos-Carter treaty gave the Chanel's administration to the Panamanian
- Reagan invasion of Panamá recovered it at the costs of 6,000 dead civilian people just in the barrio El Chorrillo.

[TwoSevensClash]

The president of USA is just another public officer in the hands of the Corporations. They can't but agree with the war falcons or else...
Comparing presidents, however, is a matter of the degree they accept the politics of the privileged elite:

- Carter's last budget for Afghanistan: 1 million $
- Reagan's first budget for Afghanistan: 1 billion $ (1000 times more)

- Torrijos-Carter treaty gave the Chanel's administration to the Panamanian
- Reagan invasion of Panamá recovered it at the costs of 6,000 dead civilian people just in the barrio El Chorrillo.
It was actually george hw bushes invasion

[ed miliband]

I liked this part of his "Malaise" speech -

"In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. . . .



I've heard this sort of rhetoric from religious figures attempting to explain climate change from a "spiritual" perspective. Prince Charles also attempted to use this argument, blaming consumerism caused by a lack of "spirit" (or some whack shit) for the cause of environmental crises. Jimmy Carter can hardly complain about ownership or people consuming things when he himself is a millionaire who relies on people consuming things, and this speech seems awfully familiar to that Thatcher one when she mourns that Briton's no longer "live within their means and work hard" (or whatever).

Stick around, LeninFan, you have a lot to learn (and I mean this sincerely, I don't want to see you driven off).

[leninfan]

I'm not going anywhere... I've been in a useless battle vs the right, but now I can see the left is just as much to blame. I removed my Green Party Member tag and I am reviewing my what I plan on doing in June.