Community Run Markets in Venezuela to Use Communal Bank Cards

[The Vegan Marxist]

Community Run Markets in Venezuela to Use Communal Bank Cards
By TAMARA PEARSON - VENEZUELANALYSIS.COM

Mérida, September 1st 2010 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – Yesterday, President Hugo Chavez announced the creation of a new bank card that can be used to purchase food at affordable prices in new community run supermarkets called “Biceabastos,” and to maintain accounts in a new system of communal banks linked to state owned banks.

The announcement was the latest step forward in the government-sponsored formation of communes as an alternative form of community governance. In the process, communal councils, which are community decision-making bodies grouping together around 100 to 400 families, link together into a broader form of organisation that includes community production and consumer needs.

The president made the announcement during a visit to the commune “Victoria Socialista” in Antimano, Caracas, accompanied by various United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) candidates to the upcoming parliamentary elections.

The Victoria Socialista commune unites 17 communal councils and provides a range of services to those communities, including a communal bank, a free internet centre, a community library, and a “biceabasto;” a name derived from Spanish words meaning Bicentenary Supply Store. All the services are run by the communal councils.

The commune will also have a Communal Bank Terminal (Tbcom) soon, where local community members can deposit and withdraw money and apply for loans. The first Tbcom was inaugurated two weeks ago in another part of Caracas. The initiative aims to help develop communal economies and to “bankarise” some of the more marginalised sectors where many people do not have bank accounts.

Victoria Socialista’s Biceabasto, named after liberator Simon Bolivar’s partner, Manuela Saenz, serves around 200 people per day, to benefit a total of 1,700 families.

Comparing the Biceabasto to a commercial shopping centre, Chavez said, “Here there’s no robbery, nor speculation,” but he emphasised that in the Biceabasto, the products were not subsidised, but rather had “fair” prices.

Chavez said that in two weeks the Biceabastos will have electronic terminals for people to use the communal bank cards, which will also be able to be used in other state owned food markets, such as the Mercals and PDVALs.

Chavez called the cards, “cards for living well” because they are for “necessary consumption, not consumerism.” The card will be supplied by the state owned Bank of Venezuela, which was nationalized in 2008.

According to the minister for commerce, Richard Canan, as of the start of August there were 21 biceabastos employing 4,345 workers. By comparison, there are 37,000 workers in the PDVALs, Mercals, and food houses. The government hopes to create 200 biceabastos by the end of the year.

The state run and community run food markets are part of the government’s “food sovereignty” strategy to guarantee basic food products to the population at affordable prices and to avoid the scarcity of certain items of food caused by profit-driven hoarding.

During his tour of the commune, Chavez also invited the community and television viewers to think about the creation of an urban agriculture law to facilitate the recuperation of urban spaces for planting food.

“We need to fill the cities with sowing, with urban agriculture... the cities need to be self-sustainable,” he said.

The National Assembly is currently working on a Commune Law to help govern the formation of the communes.

Source (http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/5607)

[fa2991]

Thanks much, TVM. Now, when we say "commune" in this context, what exactly are we talking about?

[The Vegan Marxist]

Thanks much, TVM. Now, when we say "commune" in this context, what exactly are we talking about?

Actual communes it seems. There's no government interference or anything like that. No capitalist production. The means of production is collectively owned within these communes. Of course, the State does play a hand sort of when it comes to the banks, but I don't think it's something to worry about since Chavez's cabinet isn't one to fuck his people over.

[Barry Lyndon]

Wonderful news, comrade. Venezuela is, for all its faults, a beacon of hope for the future.

[Nolan]

If only Chavez could bring rampant crime and corruption under control.

[The Vegan Marxist]

If only Chavez could bring rampant crime and corruption under control.

That's what he's working on right now. In fact, wasn't there some latest news not too long ago pointing a slight decrease in crime after the implementation of the new revolutionary police force?

[Nolan]

That's what he's working on right now. In fact, wasn't there some latest news not too long ago pointing a slight decrease in crime after the implementation of the new revolutionary police force?

But it's clearly his fault, especially corruption. Even if it is because of the opposition, opportunists in the state can, and will destroy any revolution overnight.

Of course we have yet to see any revolution.

[Nachie]

“We need to fill the cities with sowing, with urban agriculture... the cities need to be self-sustainable,” he said.

So how come any time I say this I am a petit-bourgeois environmentalist/primitivist/lifestylist?

[The Vegan Marxist]

So how come any time I say this I am a petit-bourgeois environmentalist/primitivist/lifestylist?

I don't think I've ever said that. (not assuming you were saying I did)

[The Vegan Marxist]

But it's clearly his fault, especially corruption. Even if it is because of the opposition, opportunists in the state can, and will destroy any revolution overnight.

Of course we have yet to see any revolution.

:confused:

That's absolute bullshit! This corruption & crime has been going on way before Chavez. Him & his administration are the ones trying to decrease it.

[Nolan]

So how come any time I say this I am a petit-bourgeois environmentalist/primitivist/lifestylist?

Because only Chavez can say it. Now shut the fuck up, liberal.

[Nachie]

I don't think I've ever said that. (not assuming you were saying I did)

Nope you never have, didn't mean for it to come off as directed at you if it did, but there are definitely people all over this website who are shocked, SHOCKED at the idea that people should have direct control over their own food. :rolleyes:

[Nolan]

:confused:

That's absolute bullshit! This corruption & crime has been going on way before Chavez. Him & his administration are the ones trying to decrease it.

Corruption and crime have gone way up since Chavez took power, even if he is trying to control it.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Corruption and crime have gone way up since Chavez took power, even if he is trying to control it.

Crime is always going to go up if left unattained to. Which, as I've stated already, I believe I remember reading a statistic where the crime rates have actually started decreasing now after years of crime increase. And of course corruption has gone up. There's so much opposition going against Chavez administration within the government being paid off by these private corporations, & all those citizens that support these government officials & private corporations. We can't blame Chavez for these things if the blame is to be put on solely to demonize him.

[fa2991]

Corruption and crime have gone way up since Chavez took power, even if he is trying to control it.

It's still lower than it was 25 years ago. Crime in Venezuela cyclically goes up and down like waves on an ocean. The waves are slowly getting smaller under Chavez.

[RadioRaheem84]

This is great news comrades. Venezuela's biggest export should be 'revolution' not oil!

[REDSOX]

Great news for the people of venezuela and a great initiative from the chavistas. By the way crime is actually falling in Venezuela in some areas of the country like la vega barrio where crime has fallen 50% and in Catia it has fallen massively. Lots more to do in the rest of the country but progress is being made slowly. In 23 de enero barrio crime is virtually nil but that is the domain of the Hard left:)

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Nope you never have, didn't mean for it to come off as directed at you if it did, but there are definitely people all over this website who are shocked, SHOCKED at the idea that people should have direct control over their own food. :rolleyes:
I could have sworn that communists wanted the separation of town and country to cease to exist.

[Peter The Painter]

I am not a fan of any regime that has leaders and party members who control society, but chavez and his movement of reformand pro worker policies, is certainly refreshing, rather than having some Stalin guy banning alcohol, and being gay, and comitting genocide in Chechenya, with the revleft MLM guys going

"we love you stalin!"

Also, apparently, he allows dissent in the media, and the people seem to be getting themselves sorted, and building a democratic socialist nation.

I hope soon, they will not have a leader, and can have full workers controll like they deserve.

Up the workers of Venezuala

In the Barrios', the workers are armed against yankee invasion and a capitalist takeover, so, if the Americans up north do invade, they will have their new vietnam.

[gorillafuck]

I am not a fan of any regime that has leaders and party members who control society, but chavez and his movement of reformand pro worker policies, is certainly refreshing, rather than having some Stalin guy banning alcohol, and being gay, and comitting genocide in Chechenya.
That's homophobic, don't say stuff like that.

[Peter The Painter]

You have misunderstood my friend, i mean, he banned homosexuality.

I was not using it as a derogatory term.

[Dimentio]

So how come any time I say this I am a petit-bourgeois environmentalist/primitivist/lifestylist?

In fact EOS is planning such things as well. And we are technocrats.

[Peter The Painter]

The word technocrat sounds evil, it sounds half scientologist, half murderous lunatic, seriously, us leftists have the shittest names EVER.

I want to bring up a motion.

All communist tendencies now be called kittenism

for authoritarians, it can be Katians

and for Anarchs/CouncilComs/LIBCOMS, it could be changed to

BallsToTheWallAwesomeism

[fa2991]

I am not a fan of any regime that has leaders and party members who control society,

So is there any socialist you admire since Durruti died?


I want to bring up a motion.

All communist tendencies now be called kittenism

for authoritarians, it can be Katians

and for Anarchs/CouncilComs/LIBCOMS, it could be changed to

BallsToTheWallAwesomeism Bad idea. If Marxism-Leninism had a variation of "cat" in the name, I'd have to go over to their side, as cats are a lot more fun that rubbing my balls on a wall.

[The Vegan Marxist]

The word technocrat sounds evil, it sounds half scientologist, half murderous lunatic, seriously, us leftists have the shittest names EVER.

I want to bring up a motion.

All communist tendencies now be called kittenism

for authoritarians, it can be Katians

and for Anarchs/CouncilComs/LIBCOMS, it could be changed to

BallsToTheWallAwesomeism

Like we care what you think. Technocracy is not evil, not part of scientology, & not murderous.

[Peter The Painter]

neither was Mao, right:lol:

I am a working class guy, so of course, Maoism, would not take my thoughts and demands properly.

MAO MAO MAO

If Mao was so great, why during the "GREAT:rolleyes:LEAP FORWARD" were officials so scared of being executed, did they lie about the crop quota and say everything was fine, despite the fact millions were starving?

Seriously, listen to the workers, not some dead prick who murdered and starved his people, while he was stuffing his face and swimming in his private swimming pool.

your the first ever

MarxistLeninistMaoistVeganistAnimalLiberationistTe chnocrat

[Peter The Painter]

double post

[Peter The Painter]

So is there any socialist you admire since Durruti died?

Bad idea. If Marxism-Leninism had a variation of "cat" in the name, I'd have to go over to their side, as cats are a lot more fun that rubbing my balls on a wall.

I do not like leaders, I like workers, Leadership as in, the most active and politically astute, being involved alot and inspiring other workers is fine, but no one should have any authoritarian power, as they just become, through running a "revolutionary state" (oxymoron) a dictator out of neccesity.

After the revolution, abolish the state, the monetary system.

Elect councils, which can be removed elected at any time, councilers are just a representative of the workers who elected them, and have no say in power making, only used as a elected representative of a sector or part of the workforce.

I quite like the EZLN, i have been told they are all peasants, with no formal authoritarians

[The Vegan Marxist]

neither was Mao, right:lol:

I am a working class guy, so of course, Maoism, would not take my thoughts and demands properly.

MAO MAO MAO

If Mao was so great, why during the "GREAT:rolleyes:LEAP FORWARD" were officials so scared of being executed, did they lie about the crop quota and say everything was fine, despite the fact millions were starving?

Seriously, listen to the workers, not some dead prick who murdered and starved his people, while he was stuffing his face and swimming in his private swimming pool.

your the first ever

MarxistLeninistMaoistVeganistAnimalLiberationistTe chnocrat

Animal Liberation will never happen until capitalism is out of the picture. Irrelevant to the topic at hand, yes, but decided just to point out my view on this. And yes, the crop distortion was wrong, but you're not adding in the other factors as well, like the withdrawal of industrial supplies by the Soviet Union, & the storms they were facing while all of this was happening.

Also, are you going to judge a period based on one problem out of many successes?

[Magón]

I do not like leaders, I like workers, Leadership as in, the most active and politically astute, being involved alot and inspiring other workers is fine, but no one should have any authoritarian power, as they just become, through running a "revolutionary state" (oxymoron) a dictator out of neccesity.

After the revolution, abolish the state, the monetary system.

Elect councils, which can be removed elected at any time, councilers are just a representative of the workers who elected them, and have no say in power making, only used as a elected representative of a sector or part of the workforce.

I quite like the EZLN, i have been told they are all peasants, with no formal authoritarians

And who operate, if they last for very long, up to either 2-3 years, depending. I think 4 years is too long, and three years is too... well... odd, but acceptable to the people if they like that person enough. Just my little idea on Elective Council processes.


Also, are you going to judge a period based on one problem out of many successes?

Why does that have such an odd familiar feeling, when a ML says that? Maybe because it's often on the other foot, and Anarchists are saying what you did, rather MLs being accused of it? LOL Sorry Vegan, just had to do it, couldn't help myself.

[Peter The Painter]

Right, capitalism would have been better than the fuedal chinese society, does this make capitalism good?

Seriously, the point i was making is, Mao was so authoritarian and murderous, people lied about the quotas, resulting in millions starving, all other things aside, this is absoloutley true.

Why not just admit it, then at least i could stomach some of your bullshit retoric, aslong as i can swallow it with some veal :)

And to the sensible guy, i would say a maximum of 12 months,as not to creat factionalism among councils.

A federation of councils spread around would be my idea of the way to go.

Like a council for Miners, a council for farmers etc.

Or a council for all workers, held regionally maybe?

what do you think?

[Magón]

And to the sensible guy, i would say a maximum of 12 months,as not to creat factionalism among councils.

A federation of councils spread around would be my idea of the way to go.

Like a council for Miners, a council for farmers etc.

Or a council for all workers, held regionally maybe?

what do you think?

12 Months sounds reasonable, but depending on what's happening, I think a small extenuation period of time is possible, and wouldn't hurt? And the extension would only last until whatever it was passed or didn't pass with the people. (That that council member represented at the time.) Or the people could just say, "Get the fuck out pal, you're done. Who's up next?"

As for the varying councils, like you mentioned: Miners, Farmers, etc. I think having their own council in their own regional area could work. I'm pretty sure that a Mining Union in the Eastern United States for example, is going to have a different say or idea on how they should operate productively, than a Western United States Mining Union would/is. (Because of geographical, and other Mining things that would be needed to be taken account of.) So having regional councils for Miners, Farmers, etc. would work best I think. It'd allow for autonomy from one another, but still working to help one another out through various support, etc.

[Peter The Painter]

well, if the workers are happy with a certain counciller, of course they could extend his/her time serving on the council, but, I know some people, who say that a counciler should only serve for about 2 months, as to get as many workers to participate in the council, and make it as democratic as possible.

Also, I believe we would abolish the state, along with all its aparatus, like the Armed forces, the police etc.

Instead of an armed forces, the whole populace would be armed, Regional Militias would be formed for defence against invasion, and medical hospitals would be set up, with programs starting every few months to provide an excellent and ever expanding health ervice.

Getting drugs might be an issue, How are drugs made etc?

Prisons would be abolished in their current form, and focusing on rehabilitation for dangerous criminals would be a priority, communes, where they could live excluded, but not locked up, could be good, loosley guarded by militia.

ALL PRISONERS OF ECONOMIC CRIMES ARE FREE TO GO

[Magón]

well, if the workers are happy with a certain counciller, of course they could extend his/her time serving on the council, but, I know some people, who say that a counciler should only serve for about 2 months, as to get as many workers to participate in the council, and make it as democratic as possible.


Also, I believe we would abolish the state, along with all its aparatus, like the Armed forces, the police etc.

Instead of an armed forces, the whole populace would be armed, Regional Militias would be formed for defence against invasion, and medical hospitals would be set up, with programs starting every few months to provide an excellent and ever expanding health ervice.

You're speaking to the Anarchist Masses there friend! :lol: No need to have a police man around, when I've got my trust pistol. Having regional militias would work, as the Spanish Civil War showed they could. Their only problem was lack of actual military training, or sufficient at the time of the fighting. So these Regional Militias would have to be obviously well trained and versed in combat situations. Of course, they probably already would be, since all this organization of farmers, miners, etc. would be after the Revolution.


Getting drugs might be an issue, How are drugs made etc?

Prisons would be abolished in their current form, and focusing on rehabilitation for dangerous criminals would be a priority, communes, where they could live excluded, but not locked up, could be good, loosley guarded by militia.

ALL PRISONERS OF ECONOMIC CRIMES ARE FREE TO GO

I think for the matter of prisons, there should be a Three Strike sort of rule to it all. (Depending on the crime committed.) I had it all written down here somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. And I can't remember it off the top of my head.:confused:

[fa2991]

I do not like leaders, I like workers, Leadership as in, the most active and politically astute, being involved alot and inspiring other workers is fine, but no one should have any authoritarian power, as they just become, through running a "revolutionary state" (oxymoron) a dictator out of neccesity.

After the revolution, abolish the state, the monetary system.

Elect councils, which can be removed elected at any time, councilers are just a representative of the workers who elected them, and have no say in power making, only used as a elected representative of a sector or part of the workforce.

Yeah, I know the rhetoric, I'm an anarchist, too. But fuck it, Hugo Chavez is the shit.

Also, you shouldn't get rid of currency right away. There would have to be a rationing system at first, which requires at least some sort of currency or notes.


I quite like the EZLN, i have been told they are all peasants, with no formal authoritariansI take a minority view on RevLeft in saying that the EZLN probably isn't going anywhere. They're reacting to capitalism, but have a really wishy-washy, almost non-existent ideology about "putting everything on the table," where social democrats and Trotskyists and Objectivists and Maoists or whatever all get to argue in public. Waste of time.


Also, I believe we would abolish ... the Armed forces, the police etc.

Baaad idea. Even Anarchist Spain had police and armed forces.

[Pretty Flaco]

The word technocrat sounds evil, it sounds half scientologist, half murderous lunatic, seriously, us leftists have the shittest names EVER.

I want to bring up a motion.

All communist tendencies now be called kittenism

for authoritarians, it can be Katians

and for Anarchs/CouncilComs/LIBCOMS, it could be changed to

BallsToTheWallAwesomeism

My tendency is called, "Godlinessism". It only applies to me.

And this step by Chavez was actually pretty interesting to read about. I thought he was overrated, but this is a really revolutionary step to take for a progressive.

[fa2991]

I thought he was overrated, but this is a really revolutionary step to take for a progressive.

His most prominent ability seems to be making people on all sides mistakenly underestimate him.

[Magón]

Baaad idea. Even Anarchist Spain had police and armed forces.

I believe in this sense, Armed Forces means the type of armed force we have nowadays in the US, EU, etc. Having Worker Militias would be different than an Armed Force in todays sense of the meaning, as they'd be regional groups, come together at times to help defend one another. (Sort of like a national guard, but without the national guard name and stuff. They'd just be Workers Militias.) And you're right Anarchist Spain did have police, but once again, not in the sense we see them as. The "police" in Catalonia were really just organized workers, who's jobs were to keep the peace of the shopkeepers, and streets. They had no authority besides to check up and see if everything ran smoothly at a store, and nobody stole, etc. Besides that, they could hardly be called Police like todays Police are.

[fa2991]

Sort of like a national guard, but without the national guard name

Exactly. Same with the police. "A rose by any other name..."

[Peter The Painter]

but, its not just semantics, they will not just function the same with different names.

A regional civil guard would take care of things like crime, but, unlike today, they would not treat us all like criminals, they would defend our goals and would be selected out of the most dedicated and uncorruptable revolutionary workers.

The regional Militias would never go out of the country, just be used as a defence and deterrent.

In the Militias, Officers, would be elected by their men, he could be removed for incompetence, or any reason.

He would lead by example and not by force.

The Militias, would also have jobs like all the workers, everyone in society would be armed, and autonomous training could be done, by whoever decides to get some things going, rivalry between militias, would ensure a healthy competition.

The courts would be made up of workers, these courts would be representative of the people of that area.

Pedophiles and phsycopath would be placed on a heavily guarded commune.

[pranabjyoti]

neither was Mao, right:lol:

I am a working class guy, so of course, Maoism, would not take my thoughts and demands properly.

MAO MAO MAO

If Mao was so great, why during the "GREAT:rolleyes:LEAP FORWARD" were officials so scared of being executed, did they lie about the crop quota and say everything was fine, despite the fact millions were starving?

Seriously, listen to the workers, not some dead prick who murdered and starved his people, while he was stuffing his face and swimming in his private swimming pool.

your the first ever

MarxistLeninistMaoistVeganistAnimalLiberationistTe chnocrat
You are talking about workers but repeating the bustard bourgeoisie propaganda. If you are really a worker, then it's a very good example why working class is still dominated by imperialists.
At least I can not call him "comrade" who repeat bastard imperialist propaganda like "Mao starved his people to death" and "Stalin killed Russians" and such blah blah blah.......

[Peter The Painter]

OH shut up mate your boring....

Hail comrade stalin, the badass broletarian

His homie Mao, beat the imperialists downnn

Oh dear good saviours, the kims are our neighbors,

fullfill the quotaa

If you dont we will purge youuu

National anthem of the peoples republic of pranabjyoti

[pranabjyoti]

OH shut up mate your boring....

Hail comrade stalin, the badass broletarian

His homie Mao, beat the imperialists downnn

Oh dear good saviours, the kims are our neighbors,

fullfill the quotaa

If you dont we will purge youuu

National anthem of the peoples republic of pranabjyoti
Problem with half baked "revolutionaries" like you is that YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE (BASICALLY NO) IDEA OF THE REAL WORLD and living in your imaginary world. You repeatedly call yourself a worker, but I have doubt. You actually remind me of petty-bourgeoisie gobbets, who just talk, talk and talk and at the end, end up in NOWHERE.
The more people like you stay away from politics, better for the working class. And if you are searching the reasons for "lack of activity of the working class of the first world", just look into the mirror.
And kindly try to learn something about Mao and Maoism before blabbering.

[Peter The Painter]

You are a Third world chauvanist, you hate first worlders, and call anyone who disagrees with your dictators as petit Bougoisie, you are the one most likely to be petty bourgoisie, I bet your daddy own a small buisness, huh.. i am right.

Thats why you have this guilt, and smash anything antiauthoritarian, to fit you anti worker, pro eliteist guerrilla notions.

Are you saying that, the chinese people were too stupid to control their own society, that they needed Mao?

If so, just please, sort yourself out.

You basically attacked me as petty bourgoisie, though my entire family, work for a shit wage, and my family are being laid off.

So if you want to salvage some self respect, apologise,and i will forgive you FALSE personal attack.

[pranabjyoti]

You are a Third world chauvanist, you hate first worlders, and call anyone who disagrees with your dictators as petit Bougoisie, you are the one most likely to be petty bourgoisie, I bet your daddy own a small buisness, huh.. i am right.

Thats why you have this guilt, and smash anything antiauthoritarian, to fit you anti worker, pro eliteist guerrilla notions.

Are you saying that, the chinese people were too stupid to control their own society, that they needed Mao?

If so, just please, sort yourself out.

You basically attacked me as petty bourgoisie, though my entire family, work for a shit wage, and my family are being laid off.

So if you want to salvage some self respect, apologise,and i will forgive you FALSE personal attack.
Hey Gobbet, Chinese people know that Mao is best person who represent them during that time. So far, I haven't seen any kind of leaderless society and if you idiot can call me authoritarian, certainly you can call, because I live in a real world AND I KNOW WELL THAT EVERY CLASS NEEDS A LEADER, including proletariat. Kindly try to understand that Chinese people weren't idiot enough to choose a wrong one as their representative and actually you idiot are insulting the struggling Chinese peasants and workers who showed light to the world.

[Peter The Painter]

So the people were not the best representative of themselves, Mao was OOKKK:confused:

If you live in the real world and are so revolutionary, gtfo revleft, and go play guerrilla

Or go help daddy run the small buisness

Dont worry, thats our lil secret:blushing:

[fa2991]

^So it's the same, but they act a bit better. :lol:

[pranabjyoti]

So the people were not the best representative of themselves, Mao was OOKKK:confused:

If you live in the real world and are so revolutionary, gtfo revleft, and go play guerrilla

Or go help daddy run the small buisness

Dont worry, thats our lil secret:blushing:
At least I can say that workers DON'T need any self proclaimed advocate of self control like you. They know who can be their best representative.

[Peter The Painter]

go run daddys buisness, thats why your so angry, your guilty for being what you would call petit bourgoisie.

Do not project your insecurities on other people.:thumbup1:

[pranabjyoti]

go run daddys buisness, thats why your so angry, your guilty for being what you would call petit bourgoisie.

Do not project your insecurities on other people.:thumbup1:
I am now engaged in a far more important work than running daddy's business, which you can not understand and beyond your capability. I suggest you better at least try to spell the terms correctly. Your posts are miserable and eyesore in every respect.

[Peter The Painter]

No yeah, your fighting a revolution, SHHHH, your too important to be kidnapped by the police

:lol:

Last night, you ran into an Army barracks, killed 4 soldiers, wounded two, took a round to the shoulder, but carried on, and escaped.

Now, you can join your beloved guerrillas like Che and Mao.

Do us all a Flavour, and just shut up pretending your doing "very important stuff"

Name: pranabjyoti

Age: 20 (Mental capacity: 9)

Occupation: In Real Life Troll.

[pranabjyoti]

No yeah, your fighting a revolution, SHHHH, your too important to be kidnapped by the police

:lol:

Last night, you ran into an Army barracks, killed 4 soldiers, wounded two, took a round to the shoulder, but carried on, and escaped.

Now, you can join your beloved guerrillas like Che and Mao.

Do us all a Flavour, and just shut up pretending your doing "very important stuff"

Name: pranabjyoti

Age: 20 (Mental capacity: 9)

Occupation: In Real Life Troll.
First, correct your English. It's Favor, not flavor you gobbet. Regarding trolling, I am still in apprenticeship in comparison to you. I hope now you are awake now because what you have described now can only happen in dreams for half-baked trollers like you. At least I can say that you are lightyear away from any real life revolutionary activity, while I am at least observing them from close proximity.
Whatsoever, why wasting time discussing revolutionary activity with you, understanding that is beyond your capability.

[Peter The Painter]

Thatwas the joke you fucking bellend

Flavour instead of favour, its rhyming slang

Do you say that to those uneducated peasants your heroically freeing hahaha :lol:

[Obs]

Worst derail of 2010?

[Peter The Painter]

Hey, the Stalin fanboy/ small buisness class guy, who then accused me of being middle class, though i am not, started it :)

[pranabjyoti]

Thatwas the joke you fucking bellend

Flavour instead of favour, its rhyming slang

Do you say that to those uneducated peasants your heroically freeing hahaha :lol:
At least those peasants done some useful thing to mankind than you. You just a burden on the world in every sense.

[Volcanicity]

Hey, the Stalin fanboy/ small buisness class guy, who then accused me of being middle class, though i am not, started it :)
Cut it out man,you are starting to look like a playground bully.

[Peter The Painter]

Are you serious, he called me a shitload of times, before i responded, he thought he was cool for trying to be a prick, and arttack me for (not fighting capitalism), and accused me of being middle class.

TRhen when i find out HE is the middle class one, and he is not active, except in being a prick to new posters, i get calledmean WTF:confused:

Also, pranabjyoti believes I am pathetic because i am not a great speller, i am a first world parasite, and " should not disrespect our glorious leaders"??

[RED DAVE]

Uh, Comrades, I hate to break in to this little love fest (actually, I'm enjoying breaking into it), but could we get back to discussing Chavez?

RED DAVE

[fa2991]

Worst derail of 2010?

Yeah. These insults are even lamer than those in the "Hey atheists!" thread, with the main difference being that they're directed at "Stalin boys" instead.

[pranabjyoti]

Presence of such kind of troll is enough to derail any serious discussion.

[The Vegan Marxist]

Alright, it's over. Let's get back to the topic at hand, the worker run Communal markets arising in Venezuela.