I m looking for info for stormfront

[Delenda Carthago]

What's up with that site?I checked on Alexa and its like,crazy high,4.000something in US ranking.Considering that our rank is 147.827,makes me wonder...How tha fuck so many nazis gathered in US?How is this possible?:confused::confused::confused:

[Who?]

Well I feel like a lot of the traffic is for laughs, it's also more controversial than our site and as a result of the publicity has more traffic. Not to mention the site is older than RevLeft and since most fascists can't really participate in real world politics because everyone hates them they just go on that site and BS all day.

[revolution inaction]

alexa ranks are not vary accurate, it relies on people install a tool bar in there browser, which i think only works in internet explorer and i would imagine many socialists would be reluctant to install something that monitors what they look at.

[Delenda Carthago]

alexa ranks are not vary accurate, it relies on people install a tool bar in there browser, which i think only works in internet explorer and i would imagine many socialists would be reluctant to install something that monitors what they look at.
i seriously doubt that...because if you check on indymedia,its twise big as stromfront.the problem is,the top 2 indymedia sites in hits are thw two greek ones,athens.indymedia and patras.indymedia...


we have to kick up dust about revleft...

[Delenda Carthago]

FIY

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/revolutionaryleft.com#

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/***************#

internet is a major issue in todays society.nazis cannot win on this one...

[Widerstand]

What do you suggest we do about our petty rank?

[Ravachol]

Who cares about internet rankings anyways. It's not like it's gonna bring us an inch closer to (Libertarian) Communism...

[Delenda Carthago]

Who cares about internet rankings anyways. It's not like it's gonna bring us an inch closer to (Libertarian) Communism...

its not about the rankings themselves.Its about people reading us and our opinions.thats the great revolution of internet:it makes your ideas accesible by anyone.Dont you care about that?

[Delenda Carthago]

What do you suggest we do about our petty rank?

i dont know,anyone can do whatever he feels like.

Black Sheep per say did this cool video to promote the forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgTikifxVLE

you can makes stickers,graffity,i dunno...think and be creative!

[Ravachol]

its not about the rankings themselves.Its about people reading us and our opinions.thats the great revolution of internet:it makes your ideas accesible by anyone.Dont you care about that?

Sure, I just don't think opinions, posts stating this or that, or pleas for (Libertarian) communism will act as a catalyst for the social revolution. Revolution is born from workers agitating against their present-day material conditions, their refusal of class society (consciously or not) and the desire for an alternative born from this refusal. It's a solemnly material process, not an idealist one born from propaganda. People (save for a minority) simply aren't motivated by ideals. Whether someone reads revleft (or any other medium for that matter) or not is largely irrelevant to people who don't already have a certain degree of class consciousness. Revleft is good as a discussion forum for the pro-revolutionary milieu, not as an actual catalyst for revolution.

[Reznov]

its not about the rankings themselves.Its about people reading us and our opinions.thats the great revolution of internet:it makes your ideas accesible by anyone.Dont you care about that?

This. Sure, there might be a huge number that Stormfront gets might just be for laughs but their idea is still getting out and being heard amongst the populace.

And whats to say with all the general upset and confusion that many middle-class and poor white americans arent looking for this as a solution and as a vent for all the anger they have which is being misguided by the capitalists to help divide the workers?

Either way, something needs to be done. Perhaps we could get sometihng started here on RevLeft for a course of action we could take?

[Big Red]

One of my teachers did a class on internet authenticity. she showed us a website about MLK and people generally expected it to be genuine, she then clicked on the link at the verrrrrry bottom and sure enough it was a stormfront front page trying to say MLK was fucked up and lied out their teeth about him. so maybe it's either a problem that they have many outside links or that maybe lots of teachers use this as a prime example for teaching students to watch out for biased nazi assholes and from the way she made it sound its a pretty common example. so in short there's no way that many people are genuinely interested or are neo-nazis

[Rjevan]

it was a stormfront front page trying to say MLK was fucked up and lied out their teeth about him
I remember the folks at Stormfront braging about the MLK site getting them the most visitors. Google "Martin Luther King" and the thrid site you get is Stormfront's (see the link at the bottom, as Big Red said).
They were also a topic in a TV show because one of their users commited a crime he posted about earlier or something like that. That brought them further popularity, just as the presence of right-wing prominence like Don Black and David Duke does.

While their ranking and growing number of members is surely worrying and a product of the crisis of capitalism and while it would be very much appreciated if more people visited/read/joined Revleft, it's as Ravachol already said: class struggle won't be decided by and revolution doesn't depend on the ranking of an internet forum.

[Delenda Carthago]

I remember the folks at Stormfront braging about the MLK site getting them the most visitors. Google "Martin Luther King" and the thrid site you get is Stormfront's (see the link at the bottom, as Big Red said).
They were also a topic in a TV show because one of their users commited a crime he posted about earlier or something like that. That brought them further popularity, just as the presence of right-wing prominence like Don Black and David Duke does.

While their ranking and growing number of members is surely worrying and a product of the crisis of capitalism and while it would be very much appreciated if more people visited/read/joined Revleft, it's as Ravachol already said: class struggle won't be decided by and revolution doesn't depend on the ranking of an internet forum.
dude,are my english that bad?did i said that revolution will be decided by the rankings of some internet fora?the whole idea is this:their ideas are beeing spread through internet more than ours.Some people dont see the importance.OK.One is responsible for ones actions and stance on issues...

[hemlock]

What's up with that site?I checked on Alexa and its like,crazy high,4.000something in US ranking.Considering that our rank is 147.827,makes me wonder...How tha fuck so many nazis gathered in US?How is this possible?:confused::confused::confused:

Not gathered. Basically, they are the "harder wing" to the tea partiers. The rest of the world has been dealing with neo-nazi's for the last 70 years, but you have to remember, long before hitler, those racial ideologies were staked in America. The Confederacy (a white supremacist, quasi fascist movement under a false guise of 'states rights'...as in states rights to deny rights no nonwhites), the Indian wars (ethnic cleansing on a scale that matches the holocaust), the philippines American war (where the term concentration camp was made mainstream), the civil right movement.

The Nazi's may be a large subculture in America, but their ideologies of racial supremacy and hate are steeped in American history and culture. Their American wing basically melded into long pre-existing kukluxklan beliefs and organizations.

Every Tea Partier, necon-turned-libertarian and Republican is now using Stormfront as their online primary corresponding and organization web. And after the election of a half black democrat (who ran as a progressive, though he runs as a republican to appease white right wing republican), they are angrier and louder than ever before. Hell, one of the first ways people knew of the racist underbelly of the tea party was its extensive rallying and support on Stormfront. The same for Rand and Ron Pauls (who supported and were supported by Don black, one of stormfronts owners/creators).


In adding in what revachol said, we must also remember, fascist tend to have money. By default, they support and are supported by money interests. Working class people often cant afford internet. Dont let site traffic fool you. If "who gets better ratings" was an indicator of politics, Democrats in America would not have won the last 2 elections, since Fox has among the nations highest consistent viewership.

[Inciting.Riots]

I had an account on Stormfront awhile back that I was using to keep tabs on the fascists. I was banned because instead of keeping my mouth shut I decided to engage them on their "Debate a White Nationalist" sub-forum. As it turns out they weren't at all interested in a logical debate which makes me wonder why they had that sub-forum in the first place.

The reason sites like that are so popular is because there is a growing interest in the White Supremacy movement. The number of hate groups in the US is increasingly exponentially which means we must step-up our efforts if we are to remain a force to be reckoned with. The battle may take place on the internet or in the streets but make no mistake about it; we are at war.

[Delenda Carthago]

maybe its a time for "guerilla warfare" against the far right of US,with all the antifascist-antiracist forces united...

[durhamleft]

maybe its a time for "guerilla warfare" against the far right of US,with all the antifascist-antiracist forces united...

Would only get them the sympathies of some of the republican nutters.

[hemlock]

Would only get them the sympathies of some of the republican nutters.

They already have the sympathies of the republicans. Hell, they are the republicans. Just the more adamant ones.

Open attack is a last resort, and usually fails in the long run. It can work, but only with extremely massive amounts of ground support (backing of people) and organization.

Simple unwieldy attacks gain nothing. A good analysis would be to look at the lack of substantial gains achieved by the relatively unorganized PLO, FARC and Tamil Tigers, compared to the highly successful organized Castro/Che, Bolsheviks, the old IRA and ETA. Unless you have control over ground turf AND are able to out maneuver and politically embarrass your aggressor, the odds are near impossible to succeed in open conflict.

Especially now in America. The Far right runs all facets of the media, and the so called party of the called 'left' are either puppets, charletons or weak kneed selfish appeasers with a false notion of what the country is or how it really works. They are more concerned with keeping the wars going and cutting assistance to the poor to appease the loud, greedy rich (and keep the national debt down so that top 2%'s money doesnt lose any value) rather than helping the people that elected them.

Then again, if the Tea Party Fascists get a foothold, I suspect the neofascism we lived under Bush 2 and even Reagan will be near-fond memories to what these psychopaths and bigots want.

[durhamleft]

They already have the sympathies of the republicans. Hell, they are the republicans. Just the more adamant ones.

Open attack is a last resort, and usually fails in the long run. It can work, but only with extremely massive amounts of ground support (backing of people) and organization.

Simple unwieldy attacks gain nothing. A good analysis would be to look at the lack of substantial gains achieved by the relatively unorganized PLO, FARC and Tamil Tigers, compared to the highly successful organized Castro/Che, Bolsheviks, the old IRA and ETA. Unless you have control over ground turf AND are able to out maneuver and politically embarrass your aggressor, the odds are near impossible to succeed in open conflict.

Especially now in America. The Far right runs all facets of the media, and the so called party of the called 'left' are either puppets, charletons or weak kneed selfish appeasers with a false notion of what the country is or how it really works. They are more concerned with keeping the wars going and cutting assistance to the poor to appease the loud, greedy rich (and keep the national debt down so that top 2%'s money doesnt lose any value) rather than helping the people that elected them.

Then again, if the Tea Party Fascists get a foothold, I suspect the neofascism we lived under Bush 2 and even Reagan will be near-fond memories to what these psychopaths and bigots want.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying violence is always bad, I'm just saying that violence against fascists in the US, at this current time, seems to me like a very ill considered thing to do, and would cause more problems than it would solve

[LebenIstKrieg]

The US seems really racialised in how they perceive each other for instance your culture is down to your "race" say that your white and your heavily influenced by the culture of hip-hop which in itself is incredibly multi-racial you'll get called a "Wigger" (white nigger) by people outside of the culture of hip-hop. so if you do start an antifascist war it will eventually boil to some sought of fucked up racial war that the Nazis seem to wank about, but that's what I can gather on how people interact with each other on American TV:D.

[Inciting.Riots]

The only thing that Fascists understand is violence therefore they must be met with violence. Trying to "talk out our differences" like a bunch of smelly hippies is not going to cut it. Smash the Fasc wherever you find them with whatever means are at your disposal. The time for passive action (if there ever was a time for it) has passed.

[Who?]

maybe its a time for "guerilla warfare" against the far right of US,with all the antifascist-antiracist forces united...

I'm afraid now is not the time for such action. It would only play into the hands of our enemies.

[Delenda Carthago]

i m not talking about a violent "warfare".even though a good whooping is always nice,i m talking about a war against not only nazis,but consernatives in general.

[Kayser_Soso]

What's up with that site?I checked on Alexa and its like,crazy high,4.000something in US ranking.Considering that our rank is 147.827,makes me wonder...How tha fuck so many nazis gathered in US?How is this possible?:confused::confused::confused:

Stormfront's numbers are grossly inflated, especially it's user numbers. Many of the user accounts are inactive, some in limbo between active and being banned. Many are simply abandoned. Stormfront is a monument to the difference between how people act in public and private.

[Reznov]

Stormfront's numbers are grossly inflated, especially it's user numbers. Many of the user accounts are inactive, some in limbo between active and being banned. Many are simply abandoned. Stormfront is a monument to the difference between how people act in public and private.


Whatever you want to say to make it seem better, we have to look at the facts that the tea party is growing and all-around growing interest in White Supremacy here in the U.S. We need a counter to this or something. And as it was said, this is more a battle of ideas/ideologys today which is the most important and the main part where they are fought reguarly is the internet.

And as for your last sentence in your post, lets not be hypocrites here.

[Aloysius]

maybe its a time for "guerilla warfare" against the far right of US,with all the antifascist-antiracist forces united...
Get some 4chan trolls to hijack the site?

[Kayser_Soso]

Whatever you want to say to make it seem better, we have to look at the facts that the tea party is growing and all-around growing interest in White Supremacy here in the U.S. We need a counter to this or something. And as it was said, this is more a battle of ideas/ideologys today which is the most important and the main part where they are fought reguarly is the internet.

And as for your last sentence in your post, lets not be hypocrites here.

What are you talking about? When asked about my Marxist politics I am open about it.

I do agree with the others here that a raid on Stormfront, if big enough, would be awesome and hilarious.

I also agree wholeheartedly with the fact that Stormfront and other racialist forums are discussing how to use the Tea Party movement to their advantage. Tea Partiers have no consistent politics, racialists have a more or less common thread and they are able to hook these people pretty easily. The fact is that most racialists come from conservative roots, and accept many basic conservative assumptions. They are merely taking mainstream conservative assumptions to their logical conclusion.

[Reznov]

What are you talking about? When asked about my Marxist politics I am open about it.

I do agree with the others here that a raid on Stormfront, if big enough, would be awesome and hilarious.

I also agree wholeheartedly with the fact that Stormfront and other racialist forums are discussing how to use the Tea Party movement to their advantage. Tea Partiers have no consistent politics, racialists have a more or less common thread and they are able to hook these people pretty easily. The fact is that most racialists come from conservative roots, and accept many basic conservative assumptions. They are merely taking mainstream conservative assumptions to their logical conclusion.

I wasn't talking about you or anyone else on this forum not being active on a low Social level, but in mainsteam politics here in the U.S. (Sorry for the misunderstanding)

I believe thats something we can ALL agree on. That something should be done, either a raid on stormfront or some more internet advertising etc...

Then this just confirms it on how bad the situation looks. (I knew Tea Party was conservative but I actually now see how a lot of StormFont people probably do help and support and recruit for the Tea Party.)

[Crvena-Zastava]

Get some 4chan trolls to hijack the site?

4chan is run by racists, homophobes and "Lulz".

To ally ourself with 4chan is not a step forward; but a great leap backwards.

[Kayser_Soso]

4chan is run by racists, homophobes and "Lulz".

To ally ourself with 4chan is not a step forward; but a great leap backwards.

Yes channers may be racist and homophobic but they are also merciless on drama-whores who are easily butthurt at the drop of a hat. In other words, racialists make good targets. These people get upset over TV commercials.

[Delenda Carthago]

wtf is 4chan?

[Widerstand]

wtf is 4chan?

An oasis of Stirneresque anarchy, perversion, porn, sexism, homophobia, racism, and obscure shit you never even wanted to hear about. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan)

All in all, it's pretty much like this website but with more nuts posters.

[genstrike]

alexa ranks are not vary accurate, it relies on people install a tool bar in there browser, which i think only works in internet explorer and i would imagine many socialists would be reluctant to install something that monitors what they look at.

Maybe fascists are just the only people stupid enough to still be using internet explorer

[red*balkan]

hm 4chan is total anarchy without much political correctivness, so its oxymoronic to say its racist or homophobic.
ofcourse you can see in almost every thread words like "fag" and "nigger" but site is also full of gay porn, so as they are always in mood to "hunt" and troll people who abuse animals etc.
it would be hard to make em spam stormfront unless you cover your intensions and wait for contra effect, like "hail to all 4chan people. we are from site stormfront and we are calling you to please contribute in spamming this filthy satanic site xxxxxx regards wwwstormfrontcom". i bet after few hours stormfront would be all spammed with interracial porn and pictures of stalin :laugh:

[Slav92]

What 4chan is depends entirely on your point of view, a Fox News report described it as "a hangout for dangerous left wing terrorists", whereas revleft describes it as racist and homophobic etc.

A more accurate term would be "Chaos" :P Oh, and they've been playing revleft and stormfront against each other for years: http :// encyclopediadramatica .com/ Forum_Trolling

Ill agree with Kayser though, these people do get very angry over very little things. Does anyone remember the nazi forum (might have been stormfront, but cant remember) where gay interracial dating websites were advertised? Needless to say, they were not best pleased.

[red*balkan]

how to troll revelft, tips and tricks

* Mention anything about Pol Pot in a positive light. This will actually cause more of a shitstorm than attacking any other leader, since these teenage revolutionaries know that in Pol Pot's regime, every single one of them would be dead. Ex.: "Pol Pot was a hero of communism! He was the only one who actually brought justice to the capitalists!"
* Get involved in the endless debate between Stalinism and Trotskyism. It is easier to assume the side of the Stalinists, as you get to make some incredibly stupid arguments. Stalinists also are more likely to support Pol Pot. Common Stalinist tactics include dismissing all negative claims about Stalin as Nazi propaganda, endlessly use Godwin's Law to justify Stalin's actions, say that there is no proof whatsoever for any person to say that Stalin ever did anything bad ever. When the other side ever disputes any of these claims, call him a fascist and request he be banned. The same works for Mao but it isn't nearly as much fun.
* Apply the same tactic with Anarchists and Leninists. If you intend to take on the anarchist role you'll have to read up the Spanish revolution, wave the bloody flag, and threaten physical violence against all who disagree with you. Say that you're from RAAN (Red & Anarchist Network) and that you're a hardassed motherfucker who don't take no shit. Taking on the role of the Leninists will involve becoming a pussy, but you get to make continuous use of the following buzzwords: counterrevolutionary, reactionary, liberal, bourgeois, and idealist. Say as many of them as you can as fast as you can in any area of the board, preferably while making a thread about the Troubles in Northern Ireland: a guaranteed flamebait.
* Start a thread titled "Kronstadt" and watch the fun unfold.
* Declare yourself one of the following (never in combination or you may be taken seriously): National Anarchist, Posadist, Third Worldist, Anarcho-Capitalist, Forkliftist.
* Post anything against trannies. The srs revolutionaries of revleft are so sensitive when it comes to trannies that if you don't want to fuck a tranny and aren't full of faggotry yourself, then they'll accuse you of being a religious fundie, Hitler, or both. Bonus points for posing as a feminazi and accusing trannies of being men conducting psyops against women's liberation.
* Also, be sure to ask to see Revleft's super-secret mod and admin forums. With how jealously the guard it for reasons of "security," they must have some good shit like a mountain of CP for the Party Van. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[AK]

What do you suggest we do about our petty rank?
Embed TVM/RALA's Youtube ad for Revleft wherever we can :laugh:

[AK]

maybe its a time for "guerilla warfare" against the far right of US,with all the antifascist-antiracist forces united...
No.

[AK]

What 4chan is depends entirely on your point of view, a Fox News report described it as "a hangout for dangerous left wing terrorists", whereas revleft describes it as racist and homophobic etc.
Which is funny. Some stupid nationalist, sexist or racist thread pops up ever 10 seconds but you'll be lucky to find a commie thread once on a good day.

[Widerstand]

hm 4chan is total anarchy without much political correctivness, so its oxymoronic to say its racist or homophobic.
ofcourse you can see in almost every thread words like "fag" and "nigger" but site is also full of gay porn, so as they are always in mood to "hunt" and troll people who abuse animals etc.

4chan is not anarchy in any sense of the word. There are tons of moderators that ban pretty randomly and abuse their power as they like. Also, the excessive use of racist and homophobic slurs, even though often they are not meant as such but rather insults towards posters, or not as insults at all "x-fag", is still enough to call it a racist and homophobic environment.


Which is funny. Some stupid nationalist, sexist or racist thread pops up ever 10 seconds but you'll be lucky to find a commie thread once on a good day.

I stay out of those. It's just too much stupidity for my brain to compute.

[Decolonize The Left]

We should not be worrying about Stormfront at all. The popularity of an internet website is meaningless and only a further movement towards the complete disenfranchisement of value-systems.

What we can worry about, if we choose, is how to encourage folks to post on this site and there are quite a few simple solutions to this issue:
- Step up the level of discussion/debate/dialogue here. Don't post one-liners or nonsense (outside of Chit Chat). Post substantively and with integrity.
- Tell your friends.
- Make little stickers and post them around town.
- Make simple propaganda. The video posted earlier is a good start. Let folks know that this site is here for them.
- And again, step up the level of debate on this site. No one wants to become involved in a bunch of back-and-forth arguments where nothing is developed or resolved. There is a lot to be gained on this site, but if you have to sort through layers of pettiness then it's not really worth it.

Just my thoughts.

- August

[Os Cangaceiros]

Dude...way to be a buzzkill.

[Reznov]

We should not be worrying about Stormfront at all. The popularity of an internet website is meaningless




Yes, because it does not matter at all that Stormfront is able to get its message of hate out to a lot more people than us here on RevLeft.

I mean, all there doing is being able to recruit more potential members because of the increased exposure to more people.

[MellowViper]

alexa ranks are not vary accurate, it relies on people install a tool bar in there browser, which i think only works in internet explorer and i would imagine many socialists would be reluctant to install something that monitors what they look at.

Plus, socialists would be more likely to use an open source browser, like Firefox. I imagine more leftists would use Linux than fascists too. That's just my guess anyway.

[L.A.P.]

Well I feel like a lot of the traffic is for laughs, it's also more controversial than our site and as a result of the publicity has more traffic. Not to mention the site is older than reveleft and since most fascists can't really participate in real world politics because everyone hates them they just go on that site and BS all day.

Not to mention that Stormfront was one of the first forum sites on the internet.

[revolution inaction]

i think actually alexa actually does support firefox. its still inaccurat though

[Decolonize The Left]

Yes, because it does not matter at all that Stormfront is able to get its message of hate out to a lot more people than us here on RevLeft.

I mean, all there doing is being able to recruit more potential members because of the increased exposure to more people.

Popularity of an internet website does not indicate increased recruiting. For example, Engrish.com (http://www.engrish.com/) is a pretty popular website but it isn't recruiting people to type stuff wrong all over the place.

It's not about volume, it's about quality. By improving this forum and making the quality of discussion here much more valuable, we improve our ability to recruit and retain people. We shouldn't be concerned with the volume of traffic on scumfront, who cares? You do? Why? What is the importance of how many people visit that site each day? What does it matter to what you do as a person, and as a leftist?

The truth is it does nothing. It's a meaningless statistic which only serves to degrade the quality of discussion from interesting dialogue to speculation over server traffic. It's a part of the problem.

- August

[4 Leaf Clover]

i dont know,anyone can do whatever he feels like.

Black Sheep per say did this cool video to promote the forum

TgTikifxVLE

you can makes stickers,graffity,i dunno...think and be creative!
property is theft , all hail revolutionary left ! :lol: im fakkin' lavin' it

[Decolonize The Left]

property is theft , all hail revolutionary left ! :lol: im fakkin' lavin' it

Seeing as how you have been previously warned for spam and trolling, I've issued you an infraction for the above quoted post. Please be more constructive in the future.

- August

[redSHARP]

Stormfront is very popular because it is the racist forum in the world. They have the king of racist crap, David duke, posting on the forum, thus any racist who knows Duke, will be attracted to the site.

[Delenda Carthago]

Stormfront is very popular because it is the racist forum in the world. They have the king of racist crap, David duke, posting on the forum, thus any racist who knows Duke, will be attracted to the site.
Ok.Maybe then we should get someone like Zizek or someone like Immortal Technique to write in here...That would be cool!:thumbup1:

[freeworldorder]

I was on that website some time ago, I had to remove myself because the ramblings of the mentally deficient members were making me ill.

[John "Eh" MacDonald]

Stormfronts a joke, 'nuff said.

[Agnapostate]

Every once in a while, something really jumps out at me on that board that reveals the fact that their little dogmas are ultimately driven most by anecdotal experiences: http://www.***************/forum/t758820/

[Base-Line]

Stormfront has all of us lads viewing it as well as all of those assholes. Not to mention any other somebody who searches for anything "pro-white".

[Agnapostate]

If anyone wants me to see me handing them fascists some whoop-ass, check out this thread (http://www.***************/forum/t734129/). I point out that the consistent application of their principles would demand the repatriation of "whites" from all territories outside of Europe, and the destruction of resisters. (Obviously, I don't advocate that, being a non-racialist aside from being part white myself, but it's giving them a taste of their own medicine).

[Kayser_Soso]

If anyone wants me to see me handing them fascists some whoop-ass, check out this thread (http://www.***************/forum/t734129/). I point out that the consistent application of their principles would demand the repatriation of "whites" from all territories outside of Europe, and the destruction of resisters. (Obviously, I don't advocate that, being a non-racialist aside from being part white myself, but it's giving them a taste of their own medicine).


You might also point out(assuming they don't ban you), that if they had their all-white homeland, there would be new discrimination and stratification among "Whites", as there was in the past. Nowadays, due to a number of historical conditions and events, modern WN's accept, and even kiss the ass of Slavs, Italians, Spaniards, and so on, whereas in the past they excluded such groups. Even in the 80s some groups actively excluded people whose European descent was too far East, South, or South-West(e.g. Portugal and Spain). Of course today nearly every WN likes to say "I'M IRISH", yet Irish people were considered the scum of the earth by the "white establishment" in the 19th century and part of the 20th. The reasons why this changed are not entirely important- suffice to say it has to do with the intolerance for overt, expressed racism in modern society, and there resulting lack of numbers, as well as the rabid anti-Communism and anti-Semitism within many "ethnic" communities who immigrated after WWII(some of whom were actually Nazi collaborators).

Anyway, spend enough time on any Nazi forum and you'll still find some insistant pseudo-intellectuals who decry "white equality", promote "Nordicism", and exclude those who they deem "too mixed" or whatever. In fact all WNs do this to some degree because few will accept Iranians, Kurds, or even Turks with European features.

So what would happen if we assume one day America becomes all white? The short answer is that the minority of WN pseudo-intellectuals(who actually tend to be the most articulate in the movement) peddling a hierarchy within the "White race" would inevitably win out. They would win and their ideas would flourish because they would be useful to the ruling class. Imagine: America magically becomes all white, WNism is allowed to flourish, but the white power structure is basically intact. Who would we find amongst the richest and most powerful? White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants mostly. Who would we find among the poor? Slavs, Irish Catholics, some Portugese(the ones they would accept as white), Yugoslav immigrants(non-Muslim of course!), and so on.

As history proves again and again, those in power will invent all kinds of self-delusional theories as to why they are rich and powerful. They are more clever, more innovative, more disciplined, more punctual, or whatever. This very belief, which exists on a national and racial level as well, explains a lot of racism itself- "Why are those people poor? Well it's their culture." WNism only extends this by claiming that the culture is in their blood, but it's basically the same thing.

So if whites are so great, and America is full of "whites", then why do some whites seem to be more successful than others? Oh well it MUST be their blood!!! Historically, eugenicists and even the "academic racists" extended their theories down to the individual, not "races" or even nationalities. WNs tend to forget this. Either way the result would be the following.

"White America" would cease to exist. The ruling elite would find all kinds of "scientific" proof from various correlations to "prove" that despite being white, and being allegedly superior to Africans, Latinos, etc., some "white" groups are just naturally inferior, are prone to an unproductive, lazy culture, and thus "white America" can't allow the most productive and superior citizens to be burdened with the mass of genetic floatsam. Indeed, many a fascist/WN author has expressed such ideas, often without noticing the blatant contradiction with their "pan-European" ideals. In an all white society, the delusion of superiority would win out over the latter. So "white pride" would splinter into WASP/Germanic/Nordic/Native-born pride, and the other groups would be forced to become nationalist in some way just to survive. It almost makes me think that such a scenario would actually be positive for Irish/Slavic/Hispanic "white" Americans- to experience discrimination, stereotypes, and theories of inferiority handed down from their allegedly "white" brothers. They would learn a lot about race and discrimination.

Anyway, that's just reason #2456 why WNism would fail. It would consume itself even if it were successful.

[redsky]

Re the right wing site- Dropped in over there. Whole lot of weird stuff, but I wouldn't let all the mass member numbers carry too much weight. Too scattered, and there seem to be internal conflicts; eg, There's a socialist subgroup which seems to be at war with some christian conservatives. One of the favorite put.downs is jew-troll. A lot of white trash meth energy there too. Hard to see that as a focused threat, no matter how repellent.

[eric922]

I don't know about 4chan, but I"m betting Anonymous could crash Stromfront in under 5 minutes.

[psgchisolm]

I don't know about 4chan, but I"m betting Anonymous could crash Stromfront in under 5 minutes. Even 4chan could rock the fuck out of stormfront in at least an hour. Anon would cause stormfronts homehosted dial-up 56K POS to catch on fire. Personally I wouldn't waste the bandwidth trying to crash it.

[Game Girl]

I visit Stormfront from time to time. Quite frankly, I'm horrified at the content. How can ANYONE support such a cause? What they propose is no different from dictatorship! If their views were to be enforced, then you can kiss human rights goodbye.

It's commen knowledge that they are heartless bastards who care only for their beliefs. They even admitted that they woulden't hesitate to abandon their own offspring if they didn't follow their cause. Disgusting! I would never dream of abandoning my child! What monster does that?!

[Magón]

I visit Stormfront from time to time. Quite frankly, I'm horrified at the content. How can ANYONE support such a cause? What they propose is no different from dictatorship! If their views were to be enforced, then you can kiss human rights goodbye.

It's commen knowledge that they are heartless bastards who care only for their beliefs. They even admitted that they woulden't hesitate to abandon their own offspring if they didn't follow their cause. Disgusting! I would never dream of abandoning my child! What monster does that?!

What else do you expect from White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, and just plain Far Right Psychopaths?


They are fun to play with though. I love getting into pseudo-serious debates on how Mexicans are horrible people, and should just stay on the other side of the Rio Grande, so I don't have to look, smell, or eat by one of them. Little do they know, they're talking to a Mexican. :thumbup1:

[Tim Finnegan]

I visit Stormfront from time to time. Quite frankly, I'm horrified at the content. How can ANYONE support such a cause? What they propose is no different from dictatorship! If their views were to be enforced, then you can kiss human rights goodbye.
And that's why we've got to...

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[Princess Luna]

I always find it fun to start fights between the Irish and English members, its sooooooo easy to do because they share the same sub-forum :thumbup1:

[Game Girl]

What else do you expect from White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, and just plain Far Right Psychopaths?


They are fun to play with though. I love getting into pseudo-serious debates on how Mexicans are horrible people, and should just stay on the other side of the Rio Grande, so I don't have to look, smell, or eat by one of them. Little do they know, they're talking to a Mexican. :thumbup1:

Kinda makes me wonder how many "members" are actually trolls. :lol:

[PhoenixAsh]

Both a lot and too little.

[Game Girl]

Ah well. Those inbred rednecks can pop out white babies if they want to. Me? I'm perfectly happy with my man. Who cares if he's black? Not me anyway!

[Tim Finnegan]

Those bastards'd come for folk like you and me in the end anyway. Don't let them fool you- they may adopt this posture of "racial solidarity", but if they ever got their own way, we'd swiftly learn the difference between the mighty Saxon and the lowly Celt. "To hell or to Connaught", as they say...

[Rooster]

Those bastards'd come for folk like you and me in the end anyway. Don't let them fool you- they may adopt this posture of "racial solidarity", but if they ever got their own way, we'd swiftly learn the difference between the mighty Saxon and the lowly Celt. "To hell or to Connaught", as they say...

Never mind the genetic and historic evidence that the population of the UK, France, Spain and much of Europe can be considered celtic. I'm fairly certain that most of the people on that site suffer from some sort of issue dealing with feelings of sexual inadequacy. There's another forum that deals with all of that anglo-saxon-germanic bollocks and it offers just as much lulz, all under the veil of non-racism!

http://forums.skadi.net/

At least it doesn't have a poetry section.

[Magón]

Never mind the genetic and historic evidence that the population of the UK, France, Spain and much of Europe can be considered celtic. I'm fairly certain that most of the people on that site suffer from some sort of issue dealing with feelings of sexual inadequacy. There's another forum that deals with all of that anglo-saxon-germanic bollocks and it offers just as much lulz, all under the veil of non-racism!

http://forums.skadi.net/

At least it doesn't have a poetry section.

Hey now, that's some seriously deep written word on there man.

"YOU'RE STEALING MY LAND, MY CULTURE, AND MY WOMEN!!!"

- Part of a random SF Poem I once saw. LMFAO

[Agnapostate]

They are fun to play with though. I love getting into pseudo-serious debates on how Mexicans are horrible people, and should just stay on the other side of the Rio Grande, so I don't have to look, smell, or eat by one of them. Little do they know, they're talking to a Mexican. :thumbup1:

That demonstrates the weakness of their biological determinism, since Mexicans are a national group, not a racial group. Some of the more informed ones do say "mestizos" (which is still a misleading label), but most do not seem to know facts that might benefit them, such as the fact that Mexico is ruled by a white ruling class, and is therefore a functional example of the failure of white supremacy.

[Game Girl]

Check out this screenshot I recently took from Stormfront.

These people disgust me.

[RedScare]

Check out this screenshot I recently took from Stormfront.

These people disgust me.
There's a small part of me that really, really wants to have kids with non-White women simply to spite people like that. Yep, that's a great basis for a relationship.

[HEAD ICE]

The only thing I know that 4chan did was there was a public poll on the forum asking "except white, what is the best race" and 'Negroid' came in first with a 9000 vote lead. They were asking what the hell was happening in the thread haha.

[Magón]

That demonstrates the weakness of their biological determinism, since Mexicans are a national group, not a racial group. Some of the more informed ones do say "mestizos" (which is still a misleading label), but most do not seem to know facts that might benefit them, such as the fact that Mexico is ruled by a white ruling class, and is therefore a functional example of the failure of white supremacy.

Have you ever met a smart WN? When speaking about the difference between nation and race, that is. I haven't.

Going on SF and saying something that just sounds mean to people of non-white skin, no matter what it is, will get you praise by those idiots.