Why isn't there a thread about the primitivist hostage situation?

[The Douche]

Silver spring maryland, near DC, dude took over the discovery channel building.

http://www.businessinsider.com/discovery-channel-hostage-taker-demands-2010-9

Those are his demands/manifesto. Obviously strongly influenced by primitivism, I happen to like Ishmael quite a bit. But his anti-immigration stance doesn't make sense. Either way, this guy is gonna be billed as a left-wing extremist nutjob.

[Sasha]

and this is why we restrict primmies

[The Douche]

I know your comment was a half joke, but the guy is obviously not a primitivist, even if he does have primitivist ideas.

[Widerstand]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha.

Only a primitivist would occupy a TV station making shows about nature and plants and fluffy animals.

[The Douche]

He was demanding an end to weapons programming and wanted them to show more information on how humans/civilization is destroying the planet.

[GPDP]

Welp, looks like it's over. The guy got shot and is now in custody.

I don't care if he was a primmie or not. The guy was a damn fool.

[Widerstand]

He was demanding an end to weapons programming and wanted them to show more information on how humans/civilization is destroying the planet.

Sorry I can't take his demands serious over all the juvenile naivety and misanthropy they express.

I do feel sorry that he got shot tho.

[The Douche]

I wouldn't take it serious because its foolish to think that they would give in, and even more foolish to think that it would make a difference.

[Widerstand]

I wouldn't take it serious because its foolish to think that they would give in, and even more foolish to think that it would make a difference.

Yes. Precisely this is what I meant with 'juvenile naivety'.

[RedScare]

That was extremely close to home. Slightly unnerving....

[Tatarin]

Sounds mostly like ecofascism, the ones who are the most outspoken on the extermination of humans "for the planet's sake". Anarcho-primitivists just want everyone to live in the cozy woods and forget capitalism.

But you got to get this guy som creds, I mean, it's not like Discovery Channel show the most revolutionizing socialist, uhm, discoveries... :thumbup1:

[Red Commissar]

http://www.businessinsider.com/discovery-channel-hostage-taker-demands-2010-9

Those are his demands/manifesto.

Sheesh, it's like a childish rant.

[Salyut]

Lemme quote his manifesto thingie here.
[edit: saw it was linked just as I posted; but here it is so you don't have to click through. :x]


The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

1. The Discovery Channel and it’s affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn’s “My Ishmael” pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other’s inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs’ places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn’t, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don’t build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people’s brains until they get it!!

8. Saving the Planet means saving what’s left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You’re the media, you can reach enough people. It’s your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

11. You’re also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what’s left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human’s lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It’s like a couple are having 30 babies even though it’s just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because it’s morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.

[Ghost Hound]

...FIND SOLUTIONS...Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

I rather do like this, as infantile as it sounds there is indeed a strong level of truth out of this statement. Most of the rest is just, as mentioned, ultra idealistic ranting from someone without much... "zazz" in his writing to begin with.

[Salyut]

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that.

what

[Jazzhands]

what

Anchor babies are another right-winig scare tactic. Basically, it's a way to link immigration with terrorism and double the fear value. The idea is, terrorists denied citizenship in the USA have kids who are automatically granted citizenship because they are born here. They then raise these kids as Islamic fundamentalists and teach them to become terrorists when they grow up. But like I said, these are figments of the right-wing noise machine.

Rumor has it that Barack Obama was also an anchor baby.:rolleyes:

[Salyut]

Rumor has it that Barack Obama was also an anchor baby.

I thought he was a radical Islamic NWO reptilian hybrid clone under the direct control of Sam Webb. :|

[The Douche]

what

Much like Joe Stack (the dude who crashed a plane into the IRS building), this guy has some confused mish mash of left and right populism. But this dudes prefers to express it through primitivism, which honestly, I am suprised is not more common in the US just because of how easily it lends itself to anti-social behavior/ideas.

[Jazzhands]

I thought he was a radical Islamic NWO reptilian hybrid clone under the direct control of Sam Webb. :|

that too. and a socialist who eats babies.

[9]

Obviously strongly influenced by primitivism, I happen to like Ishmael quite a bit. But his anti-immigration stance doesn't make sense.

Yeah, it certainly is out of place, coming from someone who wants to impose an absolute birth prohibition on the entire human population. You'd think he'd have a better position on the immigrant question :rolleyes:

Honestly, how anyone can confuse the desire for the liberation of humanity with the desire for its destruction, is really completely beyond me. Malthusians can go get fucked.

[Adi Shankara]

In other news, a mosque in Tennessee was burnt to the ground by right wing extremists...


...yet you'll hear a blurb about that, and a page about this.

[Salyut]

In other news, a mosque in Tennessee was burnt to the ground by right wing extremists...


...yet you'll hear a blurb about that, and a page about this.


ATLANTA — After a suspected arson and reports of gunshots at an Islamic center in Tennessee over the weekend, nearby mosques have hired security guards, installed surveillance cameras and requested the presence of federal agents at prayer services.

Christ on a pogo stick.

[The Douche]

Yeah, it certainly is out of place, coming from someone who wants to impose an absolute birth prohibition on the entire human population. You'd think he'd have a better position on the immigrant question :rolleyes:

Honestly, how anyone can confuse the desire for the liberation of humanity with the desire for its destruction, is really completely beyond me. Malthusians can go get fucked.

What does immigration have to do with ending industrial civilization? Nothing, thats why I found it strange.

But it is worth mentioning that he is obviously more influenced by Malthus than anything else. Which makes him more eco-anti-social than primitivist.

[777]

Good on the guy, at least he had fun eh?

[Ele'ill]

I wish there were other groups occupying stuff *hint*hint*hint*

[RedStarOverChina]

The fucker is worse than primmies. "stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions"?? What the fuck!

[Animal Farm Pig]

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

Of course, the Squirrels.

Despite his misanthropic ideology, naiveté, and fucking bizarre stance on immigration, I admire this guy's demand towards the media to spread important messages rather than the bullshit that they normally produce. I especially like his note on "Future Weapons."

I've heard of a left wing group that bought satellite TV time in the late 80's to early 90's. Apparently, it was becoming cheaper at that time. They had a couple of hours each day to show news from a socialist perspective, to educate about life in poor countries, and to give a voice to the poor. The audience was primarily European.

I don't remember why they stopped. Probably it was a combination of realizing that it was a money hole, and that the comrades involved wanted to do different things. Nonetheless, I've heard some comrades from that group mentioning that the time might be right for TV production again.

My point in this post is that the guy has a good idea to use television to reach people. Also, television production is actually possible for a well organized and not filthy rich group to undertake. It will probably not be profitable, so it would be necessary to have a solid economic foundation in place first.

[BuddhaInBabylon]

has it been noted that this man is dead? somewhere earlier in the thread someone wrote that he was shot and taken into custody. this is inaccurate evidently. i wasn't there when was killed, but from local news reports here in the silver spring area, he was shot and killed.


oh yeah, and his manifesto is fuct.

[Delenda Carthago]

this dude is against humanity and against war?:confused:

wut?how?

[Widerstand]

this dude is against humanity and against war?:confused:

wut?how?

No humanity => no one can fight wars.

Easy.

[NGNM85]

This action is totally counterproductive. It's going to hurt the environmentalist movement.

[The Douche]

This action is totally counterproductive. It's going to hurt the environmentalist movement.

Dude was not an "environmentalist".

[bcbm]

the imaginarty party loses another member in typical fashion

[NGNM85]

Dude was not an "environmentalist".

Jesus Christ... First of all, anyone who cares about the environment is an 'environmentalist.' From Random House Dictionary; "any person who advocates or works to protect the air, water, animals, plants, and other natural resources from pollution or its effects."

From his list of demands it's painfully obvious what this guy's deal was. Some sections from a list of greivances posted on the web;

"Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. ..and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed!...Find solutions for Global Warming,... so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment...as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!...ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!!...It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on..." Et cetera, et cetera. I trust the point is made.


Of course he was much more than that. He was from the extreme lunatic fringe where he actually justified killing people to save the planet. This is clearly not representative of the majority of environmentalists,(Thankfully.) and I wasn't implying otherwise. Of course, all of that was totally obvious.

[The Douche]

The reality of the world is that words have certain definitions when put into use, which don't always reflect the definition of the dictionary.

The green party is "envrionmentalist", John Zerzan is not.

You could also make the case that humans are part of the environment, therefore if you want the destruction of humanity you are not an environmentalist.


Either way, its innacurate to call this guy an environmentalist, because it strips the real, useful, meaning away from envrionmentalism and from primitivism/deep ecology.

[NGNM85]

The reality of the world is that words have certain definitions when put into use, which don't always reflect the definition of the dictionary.

The green party is "envrionmentalist", John Zerzan is not.

You could also make the case that humans are part of the environment, therefore if you want the destruction of humanity you are not an environmentalist.

Either way, its innacurate to call this guy an environmentalist, because it strips the real, useful, meaning away from envrionmentalism and from primitivism/deep ecology.

The Random House Dictionary offers three defintions;

"1.an expert on environmental problems.
2.any person who advocates or works to protect the air, water, animals, plants, and other natural resources from pollution or its effects.
3.a person who believes that differences between individuals or groups, esp. in moral and intellectual attributes, are predominantly determined by environmental factors, as surroundings, upbringing, or experience (opposed to hereditarian). "

There are many words with multiple meanings. What matters is the context. I can start a fire, and I can get fired. I can court a young lady, or I can serve as a juror in a court. When we hear someone's mother tell them she's 'going to kill them if they don't clean their room,' we can be fairly certain she isn't actually contemplating homicide. The context in which I was using it was obvious.

[Revy]

I wonder how immigration counts as overpopulation, since immigrants come from the same planet.

Babies pollute? Yeah, I know babies exhale CO2 like all humans but I didn't know they were doing it at catastrophic levels.:rolleyes:

[Salyut]

but i like froggies :(

[Revy]

but i like froggies :(

Froggies must die. They are evil disgusting parasites. We must kill all frogs to save the toads. Why bring more frogs into this world with false heroics. SAVE THE TOADS!

[Decommissioner]

Honestly, when I heard second hand what his demands were and why he took over the building, I thought he would be a right wing libertarian conspiracy theorist type.

[AK]

Well if the fucker wanted to stop our catastrophic population then he should've taken one for the team and hung himself.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I watched a program on the Discovery Channel today about Marine Corp. Recon training. It was a lot more interesting than shows about sharks or flowers or a lot of the other crap they air on that channel (except for Cash Cab, that show rules). Totally made me forget about the fact that I'm destroying the planet, relentless spewing C02 into the atmosphere while contributing absolutely nothing.

[Adi Shankara]

Nat Geo and Discovery changed too much for me these days; I miss National Geographic and Discovery when they actually used to talk about cultures in Papua New Guinea, or ancient burial mounds discovered in Iceland, and elephants in the Congo Rainforest;

Now all they talk about is geo-politics and fucking oilers I don't care about; bring back the escapism and wonders of the world of the old National Geographic and Discovery!

[leninfan]

what

I was with him to a point... :(

[bcbm]

It was a lot more interesting than shows about sharks

you better not be insulting shark week motherfucker


Nat Geo and Discovery changed too much for me these days; I miss National Geographic and Discovery when they actually used to talk about cultures in Papua New Guinea, or ancient burial mounds discovered in Iceland, and elephants in the Congo Rainforest;

nat geo still has pretty good shows that are hidden between the crap. i recently watched two back-to-back documentaries about woolly mammoths that were totally awesome (ask this is an invasion).

[Sasha]

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.


i think this quote says enough about the guys mental state. lets take discovery employees hostage at gunpoint to save the froggies (sic), ants and, ofcourse, the squirels

[Ele'ill]

Nat Geo and Discovery changed too much for me these days; I miss National Geographic and Discovery when they actually used to talk about cultures in Papua New Guinea, or ancient burial mounds discovered in Iceland, and elephants in the Congo Rainforest;

Now all they talk about is geo-politics and fucking oilers I don't care about; bring back the escapism and wonders of the world of the old National Geographic and Discovery!


Wild America with Marty Stouffer!

[Dimentio]

Silver spring maryland, near DC, dude took over the discovery channel building.

http://www.businessinsider.com/discovery-channel-hostage-taker-demands-2010-9

Those are his demands/manifesto. Obviously strongly influenced by primitivism, I happen to like Ishmael quite a bit. But his anti-immigration stance doesn't make sense. Either way, this guy is gonna be billed as a left-wing extremist nutjob.

Actually, anti-immigrationism is making lots of sense in a primitivist context. You don't want any more people.

Why no thread? Why should there be one?

"Nutjob is attacking TV channel with insane demands? We should support him!"

[Red Commissar]

I laughed at the immigration one. I guess the guy forgets how his ancestors came to the US. Though I suppose his conditions exclude him because he loves squirrels.

[Adi Shankara]

Actually, anti-immigrationism is making lots of sense in a primitivist context. You don't want any more people.

Why no thread? Why should there be one?

"Nutjob is attacking TV channel with insane demands? We should support him!"

Is his manifesto the first instance of "WTF" being used in a hostage situation? :cool:

[leninfan]

Listening to Alex Jones for the first time in over a year... not a big fan of James Jay Lee or whatever he stood for... what are you stances on Alex Jones?

[Crux]

One fascist down.

[leninfan]

One fascist down.

Why do you consider him a fascist? Use of a gun to get his way? His stupid stance on Immigration? I guess you are making a point, but I think he had severe mental problems and was a victim of Bougsie abuse.

[Crux]

Why do you consider him a fascist? Use of a gun to get his way? His stupid stance on Immigration? I guess you are making a point, but I think he had severe mental problems and was a victim of Bougsie abuse.

http://www.revleft.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1852010&postcount=13

And fascism isn't severe mental problems, you say?

[leninfan]

And fascism isn't severe mental problems, you say?[/QUOTE]

As Hitler was dissed by the Art school(as the story goes) and his mom's doctor was Jewish(still,as the story goes, and she died due to his shitty doctor's work)... I can shake you... I wouldn't think being involved in the killing of millions of enemies and your own should warrant that, nor the supposed mustard gas in his eyes...

This guy needed help, and in agreement with you, he was more of a hindrance(via a fascist) than a positive for anything.

I wonder if his story will make it into the Class of 2011's yearbook as one of the top stories of their school year?

[Widerstand]

Listening to Alex Jones for the first time in over a year... not a big fan of James Jay Lee or whatever he stood for... what are you stances on Alex Jones?

He's a manifest caricature of everything that's wrong with bourgeois politics. That is to say, his absurdity is matched only by the hilariousness that is him being serious about the crap he preaches.

[Fietsketting]

I wonder if his story will make it into the Class of 2011's yearbook as one of the top stories of their school year?

No way, only three pages on Revleft...

[NGNM85]

One fascist down.

He was despicable, but he was not a 'fascist.'

[Red Brigade]

Wow this guy had to pay homeless people to protest with him and he apparently payed some one $1,000 for what he considered a "prize winning essay". :thumbup1:

[Red Brigade]

Oh yeah and if this guy was a real primitivists he would use a stick or a sling shot instead of a gun. :lol: