SO, Israel isn't a White Nationalist Regime...

[Dean]

Oh, wait: http://www.imemc.org/article/59331



Several months ago, a religious school in the illegal Israeli settlement of Immanuel was criticized for segregating white Jewish students from non-white Jewish students in classes.http://www.imemc.org/attachments/aug2010/ethiopian_jewish_girl.jpg
Ethiopian Jewish student - not allowed to study at new school (photo by Jewish Middlesex)

Originally, the school was fined for this policy of racial segregation, because the school was state funded. Now, the Israeli education ministry has agreed with the white parents' request to allow the school to continue with its racial discrimination under private funding.

There is no law preventing racial discrimination by private organizations, even schools, in Israel.

The Israeli court has interpreted these laws to also apply to illegal West bank settlements, like Immanuel, which are located in areas that are supposed to be under Palestinian control. The Palestinian Authority does not allow racial discrimination, but due to the Israeli military occupation of the Palestinian Territories, it has no authority over the area in question.

74 white girls who have been studying in a building next to the school will now be allowed to study in whites-only classrooms that are privately funded, as their parents claim they do not want their girls to study in racially-mixed classrooms.

Association for Civil Rights in Israel publishes annual report; reveals country overwhelmed by racism, restriction of personal freedoms, discrimination, especially towards Israeli-Arabs. Report not surprising, say Arab MKs:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3480345,00.html

Ethiopian immigrants say the refusal of schools to integrate their children is part of a pattern of discrimination that has diluted the idealism that drew them in the first place.: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2009/0902/p06s01-wome.html

Nope, nothing to see here kids...

[Bud Struggle]

What the hell os wrong with those people?

[danyboy27]

What the hell os wrong with those people?

my guess is nationalism

[Dimentio]

If you are a settler, it is more consistent to be a racist I think.

[Agnapostate]

It is Israel that is an anti-Semitic country, because Palestinians and other Israeli Arabs, as well as Mizrahi Jews (often misidentified as “Sephardim” in Israel), have higher levels of genetic admixture from historical groups associated with ethnic "Semites" and lower social statuses than Ashkenazi Jews, who possess high levels of European genetic admixture. This is essentially a white supremacist state of affairs.

[Reznov]

Is there a reason why you guys use white?

I mean im just saying, feeling culturally (Racially, etc...) superior is a common theme throughout history.

I mean, this is Israel. So shouldn't it be a Pro-Israel Jewish Nationalist Regime?

[Tablo]

Is there a reason why you guys use white, white, white, white, white?

I mean im just saying, feeling culturally (Racially, etc...) superior is a common theme throughout history.

I mean, this is Israel. So shouldn't it be a Pro-Israel Jewish Nationalist Regime?
Wait, what?

[Reznov]

Wait, what?

Wait, what do you not understand?

[Peace on Earth]

How can anyone say Israel isn't a segregated state?

[Thug Lessons]

Is there a reason why you guys use white?

I mean im just saying, feeling culturally (Racially, etc...) superior is a common theme throughout history.

I mean, this is Israel. So shouldn't it be a Pro-Israel Jewish Nationalist Regime?
There's a couple reasons. Mainly it's because most Israeli Jews are white immigrants from the US, Europe and Russia, but also because white supremacy is a real ideology and political philosophy distinct from generic feelings of racial superiority.

[Agnapostate]

And the establishment of Israel was definitive proof that European colonialism could manifest itself as late as the mid twentieth century.

[Dean]

Is there a reason why you guys use white?

I mean im just saying, feeling culturally (Racially, etc...) superior is a common theme throughout history.

I mean, this is Israel. So shouldn't it be a Pro-Israel Jewish Nationalist Regime?
Well, its not that, for the reasons cited above - specifically, anti-African racism by Israeli society against Jews.

It is Israel that is an anti-Semitic country, because Palestinians and other Israeli Arabs, as well as Mizrahi Jews (often misidentified as “Sephardim” in Israel), have higher levels of genetic admixture from historical groups associated with ethnic "Semites" and lower social statuses than Ashkenazi Jews, who possess high levels of European genetic admixture. This is essentially a white supremacist state of affairs.
While I agree with the point, I have strong reservations about engaging in ethnic categorization. The simple fact is as such:

...because white supremacy is a real ideology and political philosophy distinct from generic feelings of racial superiority.
I couldn't have said it better.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

While on the subject, saw this today and thought it was interesting:


On Friday, the Israeli newspaper Web site Ynet News reported (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3944791,00.html) that dozens of Israel’s leading actors, directors, composers and playwrights had signed a letter sent to the managers of four theater companies that agreed to stage plays in the settlement, in which they said:

We wish to express our disgust with the theater’s board’s plans to perform in the new auditorium in Ariel. The actors among us hereby declare that we will refuse to perform in Ariel, as well as in any other settlement. We urge the boards to hold their activity within the sovereign borders of the State of Israel within the Green Line.

One of the most prominent signatories is Joshua Sobol, the celebrated Israeli author of the Holocaust drama “ Ghetto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DxgTEnIEc).” Vardit Shalfi, a dramaturg who who helped put the letter together, told Ynet:

Ariel is not a legitimate community, and as such, is against international law and international treaties that the State of Israel has signed. This means anyone performing there would be considered a criminal according to international law. The theater’s boards should inform their actors that there are apartheid roads for Jews only that lead into the settlement of Ariel. The moment we perform there, we are giving legitimization to this settlement’s existence.
Ynet added that Israel’s national theater said that the question of whether it should perform in a settlement built on Palestinian land first occupied by Israel in 1967 “calls for an in-depth examination of all the issues it includes…. We are looking into the matter.”

The newspaper also reported that an umbrella organization representing Israeli settlers on the West Bank denounced the calls for a boycott:

Our response to the letter signed by a bunch of anti-Zionist leftists and refusniks will be very harsh. This vile letter, which speaks out against the best of the State’s sons who defend them while they are acting on stage, requires a direct, poignant and clear response from the theaters’ boards, and this is what we expect. We will announce our future steps in the coming days.
Noam Sheizaf, an Israeli journalist and blogger, commented (http://www.promisedlandblog.com/?p=3393), “This is a major development, especially since under the new boycott bill (http://www.promisedlandblog.com/?p=3032), which stands a good chance of becoming a law in the one of the next Knesset session, any call to boycott Israel or the settlements could result in a fine of up to 30,000 shekels ($9,000), without proof of damages.”

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/boycott-of-theater-in-israeli-settlement-grows/?ref=world

So, in Israel, schools, roads, and any private funded enterprise can be completely segregated based on skin color/ethnicity under the law, but the call for coworkers or people of good conscience to not participate with settlers, who are in direct violation of International Law, is against the law.

By the way, it is a small gesture but I commend those participating in this boycott.

[Reznov]

anti-African racism by Israeli society against Jews.

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Uhh, I dont understand quite understand what your saying in this quote (No sarcasm). Your saying that Israeli Jews that have light skin are racist against Black-skinned (African) Jews in Israel?

[Reznov]

There's a couple reasons. Mainly it's because most Israeli Jews are white immigrants from the US, Europe and Russia, but also because white supremacy is a real ideology and political philosophy distinct from generic feelings of racial superiority.

I thought Jews were there own people/race? :confused:

[Ele'ill]

So if you have schools that are opened, segregated or declared outright as 'white only'- what other schools are opening for the folks 'not allowed'?

[Reznov]

So if you have schools that are opened, segregated or declared outright as 'white only'- what other schools are opening for the folks 'not allowed'?

Do they say "whites only" only in Israel?

Or is it like "Ethnic Jews" or something?

Does anyone know what their official reasoning is?

[Dean]

Uhh, I dont understand quite understand what your saying in this quote (No sarcasm). Your saying that Israeli Jews that have light skin are racist against Black-skinned (African) Jews in Israel?
That's exactly it.

[Reznov]

That's exactly it.

Alright.

And what is the Israel Government reasoning/official reason for this?

[Bud Struggle]

Alright.

And what is the Israel Government reasoning/official reason for this? The Israeli government is against the idea. It's just the hard line ultra Orthodox. But the government needs the support of those hard line Jews, or it least wants to keep them happy so they don't cause trouble for the government so I don't think the govermnent will do too much.

But it's not the government's policy--it's individual groups of Jews.

[Reznov]

The Israeli government is against the idea. It's just the hard line ultra Orthodox. But the government needs the support of those hard line Jews, or it least wants to keep them happy so they don't cause trouble for the government so I don't think the govermnent will do too much.

But it's not the government's policy--it's individual groups of Jews.

Ah, thank you.

And do these groups have any names or are they more secular in like saying "All white people from the south are racist"?

[hemlock]

The best thing the ethiopians, as well as the sephardis and mizrahis (also discriminated against) could do at this point (which would embarrass the hell out of Israel as well) would be to emmigrate away from the travesty that is Israel.

Why should they continue to burden themselves with being treated as second class citizens to live in a nation with the most ihumane treatment of people of any western nation. Palestinians are literally being ethnically cleansed from Israel, yet no one lifts a finger.

A good analogy would be the Irish volunteers that fought for Franco forces during the spanish civil war. In the middle of a conflict with Basques (who fought on the side of the Republicans), the irish soldiers figured "why the heck am I killing these people, they are just like me, and are being killed in the same way my people are back at home" and left Spain to continue the fight in Ireland.

The Falasha people should do the same. Maybe move to America...there is a massively growing ethiopian and eritrean community in the northwest and midwest. They certainly would not be subject to that level of open outright discrimination (though they would be subject to discrimination...it is America after all).

[M-26-7]

Is there a reason why you guys use white?

I mean im just saying, feeling culturally (Racially, etc...) superior is a common theme throughout history.

I mean, this is Israel. So shouldn't it be a Pro-Israel Jewish Nationalist Regime?


Uhh, I dont understand quite understand what your saying in this quote (No sarcasm). Your saying that Israeli Jews that have light skin are racist against Black-skinned (African) Jews in Israel?

Someone didn't read the OP before commenting (twice). :rolleyes:

[Dean]

The Israeli government is against the idea. It's just the hard line ultra Orthodox. But the government needs the support of those hard line Jews, or it least wants to keep them happy so they don't cause trouble for the government so I don't think the govermnent will do too much.

But it's not the government's policy--it's individual groups of Jews.

The anti-African immigration policies are indeed the government's doing.

[Bud Struggle]

The anti-African immigration policies are indeed the government's doing.

I agree there. From what I understand African Jews aren't quite the "right kind" of Jew--but I don't think that approve of the segregation that the article mentioned.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

The best thing the ethiopians, as well as the sephardis and mizrahis (also discriminated against) could do at this point (which would embarrass the hell out of Israel as well) would be to emmigrate away from the travesty that is Israel.

Why should they continue to burden themselves with being treated as second class citizens to live in a nation with the most ihumane treatment of people of any western nation. Palestinians are literally being ethnically cleansed from Israel, yet no one lifts a finger.

A good analogy would be the Irish volunteers that fought for Franco forces during the spanish civil war. In the middle of a conflict with Basques (who fought on the side of the Republicans), the irish soldiers figured "why the heck am I killing these people, they are just like me, and are being killed in the same way my people are back at home" and left Spain to continue the fight in Ireland.

The Falasha people should do the same. Maybe move to America...there is a massively growing ethiopian and eritrean community in the northwest and midwest. They certainly would not be subject to that level of open outright discrimination (though they would be subject to discrimination...it is America after all).
I'd say that the best thing that the oppressed minorities in Israel can do in Israel, is act in unity with those Israelis who think that the racism that is present in Israel is disgusting and wrong.

If they flee Israel, they let the racist, Zionist government win. If they stay, they can act in solidarity amongst all ethnicities and in unity with their brothers and sisters in Palestine, to defeat this disgusting regime, as members of a united, Middle-Eastern working class.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I thought Israel was for all Jews? :blink:

[synthesis]

I thought Israel was for all Jews? :blink:

Sure, as long as either:

A) You're white

or

B) You don't mind being a second-class citizen at best.

[Left-Reasoning]

There is no law preventing racial discrimination by private organizations, even schools, in Israel.

So Israel is ruled by Rand Pauls?